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#1
Most people have no idea about unlocking a phone, and will pay extra for convenience.

or even less since its essentially second hand and you've knackered the warranty...


In what way?
#2
Apple's statement:
"Users who make unauthorized modifications to the software on their iPhone violate their iPhone software license agreement and void their warranty. The permanent inability to use an iPhone due to installing unlocking software is not covered under the iPhone's warranty.".


Software updates from Apple tend to knacker unlocked iPhones.
#3
thesaint
Most people have no idea about unlocking a phone, and will pay extra for convenience.


Fair point, hadn't thought about it like that. However even on a conventinal phone like a nokia an unlock costs somewhere in the region of £5, not the £20 or so that people seem to be requesting (especially with a free unlock tool)
#4
thesaint
Most people have no idea about unlocking a phone, and will pay extra for convenience.


Oh, in addition, there are posts where people are offering to sell their 3 month old unlocked iPhone for £280 or so, now thats definalty over the odds taking into account wear and tear etc! :)
#5
Stelph
Fair point, hadn't thought about it like that. However even on a conventinal phone like a nokia an unlock costs somewhere in the region of £5, not the £20 or so that people seem to be requesting (especially with a free unlock tool)


I bought a W810i the other week from a deal on here the other week, I paid £5 to get it unlocked because the thought of downloading 'stuff' and re applying other 'stuff' left me puzzled. This £5 represented over 15% of the cost of the phone.

If I were to buy a phone for £269, I would gladly pay £20 for it to be unlocked.

Stelph
Oh, in addition, there are posts where people are offering to sell their 3 month old unlocked iPhone for £280 or so, now thats definalty over the odds taking into account wear and tear etc! :)


Report them and see what actions the mods take, but the RRP is not a firm rule, and exceptions can be made.
#6
Fair point, I suppose it varies between people what they think is good value but you make a good point.

Report them and see what actions the mods take


I think this kind of thing is a "grey" area of the rules because, like you say, theres no set RRP for an unlocked iPhone because you cant get one in shops!
banned#7
Stelph
Fair point, hadn't thought about it like that. However even on a conventinal phone like a nokia an unlock costs somewhere in the region of £5, not the £20 or so that people seem to be requesting (especially with a free unlock tool)


the iPhone is a little different and a little tricky to unlock, it depends on what firmware the iphone has etc.

I paid £330 for my unlocked iPhone and was willing to pay extra so I knew I wouldn't end up with a brick!
#8
Actually its pretty easy to unlock if you ask me. Just plug it in, put in recovery mode and run ziphone. Thats it! No need to enter codes like you would for a Nokia for example.

I bought mine online through carphone warehouse - 16gb iphone. I got an amazing £60 cashback through quidco which has been validated! So I got it for the price of the 8gb one! I unlocked it on the first attempt. Only problem I had was the call forwarding message which is common I fixed this with a patch.

I still think most people don't realise that you don't activate the contract in store but when you get home.
#9
melu
Actually its pretty easy to unlock if you ask me. Just plug it in, put in recovery mode and run ziphone. Thats it! No need to enter codes like you would for a Nokia for example.

I bought mine online through carphone warehouse - 16gb iphone. I got an amazing £60 cashback through quidco which has been validated! So I got it for the price of the 8gb one! I unlocked it on the first attempt. Only problem I had was the call forwarding message which is common I fixed this with a patch.

I still think most people don't realise that you don't activate the contract in store but when you get home.


Already you have stated that you had to use one bit of software, then something wasn't working so you had to 'patch' something else. Most people would have to spend a few hours looking these things up, downloading software and then risk their new iPhone. I think the iPhone unlocked is well worth an extra £20 on RRP (Even though the RRP is for a locked iPhone to O2 contract. It's £500 or so elsewhere in europe).
#10
The phone worked 100%. Just during a call a "call forwarding active" message would pop up. It did not affect the call or workings of the phone in any way. It was just a little annoying as you had to dismiss it everytime.

I've read on forums that this has happened on locked iphones too. (On AT+T anyway don't know about on O2). So you can't really blame it on the unlocking.

I think if you're gonna buy something this expensive you should do a little a research first beforehand anyway..
#11
melu
I bought mine online through carphone warehouse - 16gb iphone. I got an amazing £60 cashback through quidco which has been validated! So I got it for the price of the 8gb one! I unlocked it on the first attempt. Only problem I had was the call forwarding message which is common I fixed this with a patch.


Wow, that £60 cashbacks been validated?! Makes it an even better deal then, so a 6GB one would be £209..

Most people would have to spend a few hours looking these things up, downloading software and then risk their new iPhone. I think the iPhone unlocked is well worth an extra £20 on RRP (Even though the RRP is for a locked iPhone to O2 contract. It's £500 or so elsewhere in europe).


Thats a fair point, although the counter argument to your comments that the RRP is for the locked phone is that the RRP is even lower in the US! I guess at the end of the day it really depends on what you see as value for money, if you really arent happy with doing it yourself then you may be willing to part with money for someone else to do it for you then fine.

However what I wanted to point out mostly is that it just seems that people are using the confusion that is surrounding the way that apple sell the phone and then overcharge the unlocking fee by up to 4x the usual amount for a phone (£5)
#12
Yeah I have got £60 cashback from carphone warehouse which has been validated and due for payment in May.

8GB iPhone works out to £209 and 16GB = £269.

I thought I would only get £20 cashback as its not very clear on the quidco carphone warehouse page:

Quidco Carphone Warehouse
#13
The FS/FT does seem to have become a bit of a glorified mobile-phone street market - there are a lot of members who have sold/listed a number of 'new' phones and I think its fairly clear that some are buying phones to unlock and sell on at a profit - in my eyes this is trading and against the rules of the FS/FT forum but its a pretty grey area and some clarity in the rules would be good.

So yeah, I'm agreeing with the OP on this one, shouldn't be allowed :)
#14
after i watched a video on how to unlock the iphone it really is easy, i think its easier to unlock than any other phone.

i think its a good point about the way people have been pricing them, its getting out of hand now
#15
melu
Yeah I have got £60 cashback from carphone warehouse which has been validated and due for payment in May.

8GB iPhone works out to £209 and 16GB = £269.

I thought I would only get £20 cashback as its not very clear on the quidco carphone warehouse page:

Quidco Carphone Warehouse


That is very sweet....very very tempted now, was tempted before by the 35 quid from O2 but 60 quid brings it down to almost normal price :-D

Anybody want a 2 week old W810i with 4gb card??
[admin]#16
I'll put this in feedback
#17
Yeah I was surprised I got £60 cashback. But its in my earnings page:

Once validated am I right in thinking it can't be declined as the merchant has agreed to pay it?

Anyways I have posted screen shot of my quidco earnings page for further proof.

Has got to be a great deal right? I mean £60 back off an iPhone and no 18 month contract!

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii96/melu_k/Quidco.jpg
1 Like #18
Once validated am I right in thinking it can't be declined as the merchant has agreed to pay it?


I think you're right, when Ive had things rejected is has always happened before the validation stage, anyway


juliet_bravo
I'll put this in feedback


Oh, thanks I wasnt sure what the right forum was! With Hindsight perhaps feedback is the best place.. Maybe some more discussions can take place now?! :thumbsup:
#19
Stelph;1700143
Fair point, hadn't thought about it like that. However even on a conventinal phone like a nokia an unlock costs somewhere in the region of £5, not the £20 or so that people seem to be requesting (especially with a free unlock tool)

A lot of recent Nokia's will cost you a lot more than £5 to unlock, if it is at all possible.
There's a lot of people selling 'might work' codes on Ebay for a few quid, but if you check the feedback none of them actually worked (unless the phone was reasonably old), but because of the 'might work' claim and low price most people still leave positive feedback - it is a complete scam.
#20
But Stelph has a good point. There's a fair number of ppl who appear to in reality be trading & too mean to pay ebay fees.....
#21
CFC
But Stelph has a good point. There's a fair number of ppl who appear to in reality be trading & too mean to pay ebay fees.....


I think the profit margins on ebay are slipping as well, a quic check shows that prices are dropping to around £300 for an unlocked iPhone (meaning after ebay and paypal fees theres only £20 or so profit) and sometime even under the RRP. So maybe this is a passing phase if theres not much of a profit to be made and the dealers will move elsewhere?
#22
OT I know, but anyone considering an Iphone now would be stark raving mad to take it on a contract. Buy direct from Apple or import like I did and unlocking is as easy as unlocking your front door.

4 mins it took me to do. using a program that unlocks, activates and jailbreaks in one click (Ziphone) the only way you can brick your phone is if you mistakenly update to the latest version via itunes before the new unlock software comes out and even then you simply use a virginiser program to start again.

Iphone on Orange PAYG, awesome.
#23
Ritchie 2
OT I know, but anyone considering an Iphone now would be stark raving mad to take it on a contract. Buy direct from Apple or import like I did and unlocking is as easy as unlocking your front door.

4 mins it took me to do. using a program that unlocks, activates and jailbreaks in one click (Ziphone) the only way you can brick your phone is if you mistakenly update to the latest version via itunes before the new unlock software comes out and even then you simply use a virginiser program to start again.

Iphone on Orange PAYG, awesome.


Some people do appreciate having a warranty ;-)
#24
jah128
Some people do appreciate having a warranty ;-)


Plus I dont think the tariff for the iPhone is too bad really if you want to use it for surfing the internet a lot and call and text a lot (i.e. most oif the reasons you get a monthly contract in the first place!)

Considering that as well as unlimited interweb you also get free access to Internet Hotspots which you wouldnt get on T-Mobile Web & Walk (the only real other non 3g option) without paying an extra charge
#25
jah128
Some people do appreciate having a warranty ;-)



If anything goes wrong simply re-virginise the phone, and hand back to apple. Warrantee still intact and apple none the wiser, several people on hackintosh forums have succesfully had previously hacked iphones replaced under warrantee.
#26
Ritchie 2
If anything goes wrong simply re-virginise the phone, and hand back to apple. Warrantee still intact and apple none the wiser, several people on hackintosh forums have succesfully had previously hacked iphones replaced under warrantee.


I'm sure there have been, but theres also going to be people who have been unable to do so or have had there phone bricked etc. As BristolDeal pointed out unlocking violates the warranty agreement so you cannot guarantee it will work out okay...
#27
Your right of course I cant gaurantee anything, if your unlocking an Iphone you need to balance the risk of having your phone bricked and losing the £250 you paid for it against having to sign up to a minimum 18 month £35 per month O2 contract which will cost you a minimum of £630 + the £250 cost of the phone (total £880) if you want to have a warrantee.

Your choice, unlocking can be risky, but it is incredibly easy and IMO you would be absolutley mad to buy an Iphone on contract, of course if you want unlimited free data £880 is well worth it ;)
#28
Cheapest 3gs iphone direct from Apple seems to be £450, not the £250 that everyone's quoting...

http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone?mco=MTE2NTQ
#29
JoYork
Cheapest 3gs iphone direct from Apple seems to be £450, not the £250 that everyone's quoting...

http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone?mco=MTE2NTQ


this thread is nearly 2 years old:?

time for bed:)
#30
lol, didn't spot that crucial fact :)

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