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#1
Got to remember alot votes are from main site not the forum so most people dont want to put comments.. just vote either way. Temp should speak for itself.
#2
Thanks Richierea for bringing up this issue.

Just to clarify again, please say why you cold vote as this will help to improve present & future posts. If you find a product cheaper or better, please provide a link as well.

Mods can see who are cold voting but members cant hence any comments will be helpful :)
#3
I think some people vote code just because its already got a negative vote, people should only vote on posts which concern them
#4
Totally agree..although I've never voted cold as I appreciate the effort a member puts in to display the deal....but it is very helpful to quote a cheaper price elsewhere or a comment on personal experience of the product's quality etc.
1 Like #5
edi


Mods can see who are cold voting


OOOOooooohh BIG BROTHER is watching lol
#6
I don't usually vote cold,unless it's Hamleys:giggle:
#7
Cold, Warm or Hot... its your choice as long as its fair :thumbsup:
#8
edi
Cold, Warm or Hot... its your choice as long as its fair :thumbsup:


Your choice... except if you vote cold you'll get hassled, if you vote hot because the moon is in jupiter or because the person who posted the deal is cute or because you felt like voting hot all day today then that's just fine.

The system is slowly being modified towards 'look, everything is great!'. Except anyone with a brain will be able to see right through it in ten minutes.
#9
Go on Artemis - say something positive about the site - just once - I dare ya :p
#10
I have to agree with Artemis.

Also, too many people post a deal and try and justify it, because they cant find it cheaper anywhere else, or because an item is £68 as opposed to £69. Things like that do not classify as a 'hot deal' imho.
#11
People vote cold as they cant abuse the neg rep any more! lol
#12
Repeated from the Hot Deals thread, as it's relevant here too:
Artemis
Which is where it all goes downhill. How come voting hot without leaving a comment isn't 'bad forum etiquette'? That never gets singled out.

The whingers already won their battle over negative rep, I can see cold voting following it if people are hassled whenever they use it.

Might as well just have a big sign up saying 'Everythings great, everybody's great, no dissenters allowed'.
Because voting a deal cold immediately can make a person feel their post wasn't worthwhile. But the truth is, every post is worthwhile and it's temperature doesn't reflect its worth until all votes are made. Therefore it's basically the first cold votes, usually left by thread spoilers, that register with the poster and first couple of readers. Those are the main people being asked to leave a reason for their cold vote.
#13
emmajk42
Go on Artemis - say something positive about the site - just once - I dare ya :p


I think the idea behind the site is excellent, and even now I think there are many bargains to be had by using the site.

It's just becoming more and more difficult and the decisions being made seem to be more and more ridiculous. Despite the many savings I have made using this site I find myself visiting it less than before. It's bloated with deals that barely register as a deal never mind hot ones and no matter how crap it is you can open it and it'll have a temperature of a gazillion with ridiculous comments from people like 'wow, that looks like a good price, voted hot!'. How can something 'look like' a good price? It is or it isn't and from the comments they don't have a clue, they're just voting hot because their favourite moderator has posted the deal or because they want to seem friendly and gain some rep etc. Not a single time has any moderator questioned that but if you vote vold you get hassled.

Nobody has yet explained why your opinion on whether a deal is hot or not is worth more than mine. Or why mine is worth more than somebody who joined the site today.

The decisions don't seem to be based on logic at all, they seem based on making everything 'look' better. Negative rep is taken away so everyones rep 'looks' good. Cold voting gets hassled so everything gets a higher temperature and it 'looks like' we have a lot more hot deals. Moderators have the highest effect on temperature so essentially completely control whether the vast majority of deals make the front page or not.
#14
Artemis
I think the idea behind the site is excellent, and even now I think there are many bargains to be had by using the site.

It's just becoming more and more difficult and the decisions being made seem to be more and more ridiculous. Despite the many savings I have made using this site I find myself visiting it less than before. It's bloated with deals that barely register as a deal never mind hot ones and no matter how crap it is you can open it and it'll have a temperature of a gazillion with ridiculous comments from people like 'wow, that looks like a good price, voted hot!'. How can something 'look like' a good price? It is or it isn't and from the comments they don't have a clue, they're just voting hot because their favourite moderator has posted the deal or because they want to seem friendly and gain some rep etc. Not a single time has any moderator questioned that but if you vote vold you get hassled.

Nobody has yet explained why your opinion on whether a deal is hot or not is worth more than mine. Or why mine is worth more than somebody who joined the site today.

The decisions don't seem to be based on logic at all, they seem based on making everything 'look' better. Negative rep is taken away so everyones rep 'looks' good. Cold voting gets hassled so everything gets a higher temperature and it 'looks like' we have a lot more hot deals. Moderators have the highest effect on temperature so essentially completely control whether the vast majority of deals make the front page or not.


If in doubt i always vote cold! And at the end of the day the votes are only to get something to the front page!
#15
Artemis...I do love it when you get going....but isn't it all a personal choice whether you are attracted by a deal..hot,warm,cold or otherwise?...that's why I canwalk into any shop and ignore almost 90% of what's on sale...in the same way i can ignore that percentage of the deals on here because I simply wouldn't buy that product whatever the price.

If a deal doesn't appeal just ignore it..who really cares if some are attracted...I may disagree with their tastes and preferences but that's what freedom of expression is all about..HUKD just reflects Society we're all different and apply a degree of tolerance so that things run as smoothly as possible.
#16
currychops
Artemis...I do love it when you get going....but isn't it all a personal choice whether you are attracted by a deal..hot,warm,cold or otherwise?...that's why I canwalk into any shop and ignore almost 90% of what's on sale...in the same way i can ignore that percentage of the deals on here because I simply wouldn't buy that product whatever the price.

If a deal doesn't appeal just ignore it..who really cares if some are attracted...I may disagree with their tastes and preferences but that's what freedom of expression is all about..HUKD just reflects Society we're all different and apply a degree of tolerance so that things run as smoothly as possible.


Without meaning to be rude, and I don't disagree with much of what you said, I have no idea what it has to do with what I said?
#17
Sorry Artemis but I was just having my twopence worth and responding to your criticism that the site was bloated with deals that weren't really deals...i'm simply saying that one man's deal is another man's poison.
I've nowt more to add.
#18
There was a Sony Laptop the other day, when I saw it it had somthing like 20'C hot temp.

People also abuse voting 'hot' on everything, the laptop was some silly price like £580 (or somthing), the specs were Celron 1.6, 512mb ram etc you get the picture, this thing is older then me, and it was at 20'C.

Why would anyone vot hot on this, when you can order a Sony intel Dual Core for abot £525 from play.com.
#19
gd_miester
There was a Sony Laptop the other day, when I saw it it had somthing like 20'C hot temp.

People also abuse voting 'hot' on everything, the laptop was some silly price like £580 (or somthing), the specs were Celron 1.6, 512mb ram etc you get the picture, this thing is older then me, and it was at 20'C.

Why would anyone vot hot on this, when you can order a Sony intel Dual Core for abot £525 from play.com.


but it would only take two members with high rep to get it up to 20 degrees....that's something that Admin is looking into.
#20
currychops
Artemis...I do love it when you get going....but isn't it all a personal choice whether you are attracted by a deal..hot,warm,cold or otherwise?...that's why I canwalk into any shop and ignore almost 90% of what's on sale...in the same way i can ignore that percentage of the deals on here because I simply wouldn't buy that product whatever the price.

If a deal doesn't appeal just ignore it..who really cares if some are attracted...I may disagree with their tastes and preferences but that's what freedom of expression is all about..HUKD just reflects Society we're all different and apply a degree of tolerance so that things run as smoothly as possible.


i totally agree with you currychops most of the deals don't appeal to me so i dont vote either way but every once in a while something comes up which is perfect and i vote because it is usefull to me and i have purchased it and i skim through the rest .a item should be cold voted if it is not good value etc .
i love the vast range of deals posted as our taste and needs are all differant .
#21
gary_rip
If in doubt i always vote cold! And at the end of the day the votes are only to get something to the front page!


My basic view on voting Ettiquette.

If you like the deal... vote HOT.
If you think the deal is okay, but don't think it's absolutely brilliant then vote WARM, i.e. if it's only a small percentage cheaper than a previous deal or if a better alternative is available.

If you don't LIKE a deal, or if you think a deal isn't for you then it's simple... DON'T VOTE!!

The COLD vote is only to be used if a deal is SPAM or if the deal is currently available elsewhere at a cheaper price... in which case you should state this in the thread. Your dislike for a product, type of product or lack of interest is NOT a reason to vote cold... just move on down the list.

Voting cold without reason is a very demoralising thing for the poster of a deal, especially new members who are very valuable to the site. Please appreciate the work members put into posting their deals.

Just my two pence. :)
[admin]#22
Voting is there so that the membership can give a community judgement on a deal. Sometimes you will vote cold but the majority thinks it's hot, sometimes you will vote hot and the majority will think it's cold. Please don't think your opinion is the correct one.

The whole point of voting is that members have a voice. So use it.

The concept is quite simple. If you think it's a good deal vote hot, if you think it's ok vote warm, if you think there is a better deal elsewhere vote cold. If you're not interested in the deal don't vote.

Votes are not a reflection of taste they are a reflection of whether something is good value. I don't need to like Britney Spears to say that her latest album for 50p is a good price if it's selling for £10 everywhere else.

The reason we encourage people to post when they vote cold is because this site is a community of people that are supposed to be helping each other out with finding the best deal. If you voted cold that should be because you know of a better deal elsewhere so share it.

Yeah it is that simple.
#23
currychops
Sorry Artemis but I was just having my twopence worth and responding to your criticism that the site was bloated with deals that weren't really deals...i'm simply saying that one man's deal is another man's poison.
I've nowt more to add.


S'ok, I just didn't know what you were replying to, wasn;t a dig was a real question.

And I agree for the most part but in general 'Tescos has food offers on!' is never going to be a 'hot deal' imo. They 'always' have food offers on, as do Asda, morrisons and every supermarket chain.
#24
Admin
Voting is there so that the membership can give a community judgement on a deal. Sometimes you will vote cold but the majority thinks it's hot, sometimes you will vote hot and the majority will think it's cold. Please don't think your opinion is the correct one.


I don't believe anyone here was doing that.

Admin
The whole point of voting is that members have a voice. So use it.

The concept is quite simple. If you think it's a good deal vote hot, if you think it's ok vote warm, if you think there is a better deal elsewhere vote cold. If you're not interested in the deal don't vote.

Votes are not a reflection of taste they are a reflection of whether something is good value. I don't need to like Britney Spears to say that her latest album for 50p is a good price if it's selling for £10 everywhere else.


That's a bit of a straw man example. Whether or not you like music, cds have an intrinsic value. Other things do not. The example that seems to have started this round off is the silver rolo. The reason I voted cold on that wasn't about 'taste' it was that I thought the item itself simply wasn't worth the price. Surely that's just as relevant to whether or not you can find it elsewhere cheaper? I would have voted cold even if I was the worlds biggest Rolo fan and always wanted a silver one to adorn my desktop.

If 'cheapest price online' is the only criteria allowed then people would be allowed to post every single item that only a single seller sells. Which is obviously ridiculous.

Admin
The reason we encourage people to post when they vote cold is because this site is a community of people that are supposed to be helping each other out with finding the best deal. If you voted cold that should be because you know of a better deal elsewhere so share it.

Yeah it is that simple.


So it's not helping to say 'this is simply overpriced wait for it to be cheaper in x months and don't be ripped off' or even 'as a man, if you gave this item to me as a present i'd dump you'?

Nowhere in this post did you address the point of people voting hot for spurious reasons. Surely you can see that the higher the temperature the more this site is essentially recommending an item? Whether or not that's what you intend that's the case, the item that appears at the top of the front page when you open it is going to be seen as the most recommended item of this site.

Why don't you ask people to prove that they have searched the net and not found it anywhere cheaper before they are allowed to vote hot if that is the 'only' criteria you are allowed to vote cold?
#25
On a somewhat related note my ability to vote cold seems to have diminished somewhat. It was 'always' 9 degrees for the last x weeks and it has very recently changed to a random number with about 1.2 degrees as the maximum. The only change to my profile has been an increase in post count and reputation.
#26
Artemis
On a somewhat related note my ability to vote cold seems to have diminished somewhat. It was 'always' 9 degrees for the last x weeks and it has very recently changed to a random number with about 1.2 degrees as the maximum. The only change to my profile has been an increase in post count and reputation.
Everybody's voting 'power' has dropped a lot. Even the Moderators.
#27
Artemis
On a somewhat related note my ability to vote cold seems to have diminished somewhat. It was 'always' 9 degrees for the last x weeks and it has very recently changed to a random number with about 1.2 degrees as the maximum. The only change to my profile has been an increase in post count and reputation.
Everyone's voting weight has changed including moderators and Admin.
#28
Artemis
S'ok, I just didn't know what you were replying to, wasn;t a dig was a real question.

And I agree for the most part but in general 'Tescos has food offers on!' is never going to be a 'hot deal' imo. They 'always' have food offers on, as do Asda, morrisons and every supermarket chain.
So don't bother reading posts from supermarkets? Those who are interested will read and vote accordingly.
#29
@ Artemis - you always seem to start these same issues when I post something that isn't a "run-of-the-mill" electronics deal... etc. I have been searching for ideas for Valentine's day presents, and I've been posting a few up. Now I know not everyone shares your opinion on the "silver rolo" as there were positive responses in the thread as well.

As moderators, we are trying to help run this site as Admin sees fit, and when I ask someone to explain a cold vote, it is for the reasons above.
#30
emmajk42
@ Artemis - you always seem to start these same issues when I post something that isn't a "run-of-the-mill" electronics deal... etc.


Uhm, no I don't. I don't care what the deal you posted was, I just used it as an example this time because it happened to be the deal that you again hassled cold voters in.

emmajk42
I have been searching for ideas for Valentine's day presents, and I've been posting a few up. Now I know not everyone shares your opinion on the "silver rolo" as there were positive responses in the thread as well.


I never expected everyone to agree with my opinion on it.

emmajk42
As moderators, we are trying to help run this site as Admin sees fit, and when I ask someone to explain a cold vote, it is for the reasons above.


So why don't the same reason apply to hot voters?
#31
rayman
So don't bother reading posts from supermarkets?


I don't. I was simply responding to currychops.
#32
As someone who has had a deal shot down (-5) with only postitive comments posted it was disheartening but as it was on the free forum and more people saw it before it disappeared the temperature increased. I think the problem at times is the rate things disappear so quickly they don't have the time to find the right temperature. There is nothing wrong with cold voting, nor should it be compulsory to say why though I agree it would be helpful (On my posted no one posted any negative comments and personally I would have liked to know if there was a better site than the one I posted).
#33
Artemis

Originally Posted by emmajk42
As moderators, we are trying to help run this site as Admin sees fit, and when I ask someone to explain a cold vote, it is for the reasons above.

So why don't the same reason apply to hot voters?


I'm being repetitive, but please read this:

Because voting a deal cold immediately can make a person feel their post wasn't worthwhile. But the truth is, every post is worthwhile and it's temperature doesn't reflect its worth until all votes are made. Therefore it's basically the first cold votes, usually left by thread spoilers, that register with the poster and first couple of readers. Those are the main people being asked to leave a reason for their cold vote.


They are my thoughts on it and wordsworth I agree with you too.
#34
Artemis


So why don't the same reason apply to hot voters?


Having started this thread (maybe I shouldn't have!) I just thought I would explain what I meant a little more...

When someone posts a deal, they are providing all the information about an item, service, or whatever. If someone votes hot, they agree with OP that it's a good deal, as in price, what you get etc....

If you vote cold, you are dissagreeing with the OP. Now if you dissagree with what someone has put, it just seems sensible to expain why. Is it price, poor item, the service the company offers? (if it's down to poor service the company offers, they may be able to find it elsewhere at a similar price, so it's about helping others out)

It's pretty much the same in any situaton, if you agree with what someone says, not an issue, but if you dissagree they are like to want to know why....seems quite simple to me....but everyone has their own views.

Nothing against people adding comments when voting hot, but as pointed out above, they are generally just agreeing, so you get 'nice price, or 'good deal!' so if someone votes hot, you generally know what the comment is!
If people have something extra to comment on when voting hot, then all the better.
#35
Richierea
Having started this thread (maybe I shouldn't have!) I just thought I would explain what I meant a little more...

When someone posts a deal, they are providing all the information about an item, service, or whatever. If someone votes hot, they agree with OP that it's a good deal, as in price, what you get etc....

If you vote cold, you are dissagreeing with the OP. Now if you dissagree with what someone has put, it just seems sensible to expain why. Is it price, poor item, the service the company offers? (if it's down to poor service the company offers, they may be able to find it elsewhere at a similar price, so it's about helping others out)

It's pretty much the same in any situaton, if you agree with what someone says, not an issue, but if you dissagree they are like to want to know why....seems quite simple to me....but everyone has their own views.

Nothing against people adding comments when voting hot, but as pointed out above, they are generally just agreeing, so you get 'nice price, or 'good deal!' so if someone votes hot, you generally know what the comment is!
If people have something extra to comment on when voting hot, then all the better.


That doesn't answer the question in the slightest.

The question is why is it allowed to say 'I agree' with no further comment but not 'I disagree'.

This isn't like a pub argument, it's the equivalent of someone asking 'do you like these jeans'. Either yes or no is a perfectly fine answer without explanation.

Do you honestly think that even a small percentage of the hot voters have actually done any research to agree with the OPs? That they have searched aound the internet for the price of the item and found that the post does in fact represent the cheapest deal around? Of course they haven't.
[admin]#36
The question is why is it allowed to say 'I agree' with no further comment but not 'I disagree'.


The point has been made by myself and several other members and mods that when you are saying "I agree" by voting hot you are agreeing with the post, so a comment has been made. Everyone who votes hot has made a comment in proxy by agreeing with the post.

When you vote cold you are saying you disagree with the post, so in that case please let the community know where the better deal is.

This has to be the fifth time I've typed this out in one of your threads Artemis and you continue to argue without confronting this very simple difference.

I agree that some people vote hot for not reason just like people vote cold for no reason. We can't make a perfect world but although we cannot attain perfection it does not mean we should not try to better the system where we can.

I don't have any problems with cold votes, go ahead and vote cold where you want but please help our community find better offers by providing the information where the better deal is.
#37
Admin
The point has been made by myself and several other members and mods that when you are saying "I agree" by voting hot you are agreeing with the post, so a comment has been made. Everyone who votes hot has made a comment in proxy by agreeing with the post.

When you vote cold you are saying you disagree with the post, so in that case please let the community know where the better deal is.

This has to be the fifth time I've typed this out in one of your threads Artemis and you continue to argue without confronting this very simple difference.

I agree that some people vote hot for not reason just like people vote cold for no reason. We can't make a perfect world but although we cannot attain perfection it does not mean we should not try to better the system where we can.

I don't have any problems with cold votes, go ahead and vote cold where you want but please help our community find better offers by providing the information where the better deal is.


It's the fifth time you've posted it because the other 4 times I said the same thing - that doesn't make any sense'. It's unfair to randomly pick on those who vote cold just like it was unfair to randomly pick on those who left negative rep.

You even admit that people are allowed to vote hot for no reason without hassle in your answer. 'I agree' counts as a comment but I disagree' doesn't? That's just ridiculous. You haven't given a sensible reason for it you've just said 'that's how it is'. I already knew that.
[admin]#38
Ok this is my last try Artemis and from now on I will just point you back to this thread.

Let's put it in the framework of a debate. Let's say I said "The world is round because of reason x, reason y and reason z". Person B says yes I agree with those arguments. Person C says "Nope".

In this situation I wouldn't ask person B to repeat my arguments that he has just agreed with them however Person C would have the obligation to not just "Nope" but to outline why my arguments are poor or what the arguments were against it.

To further the point, in the case of a cold vote, we prefer it if people leave a reason not only to point out why but also to share the better deal.

If you vote cold and don't share the better deal you are not engaging in the community or helping people find the better offer, simple as that.

I'm more than happy to work through issues with members, take on suggestions and try to make the site better through members ideas and criticism but I am not going to waste my time beating my head against the wall. If you want to improve things please engage the arguments and present some of your own instead of just launching into frustrated sentences.
#39
Artemis
it's the equivalent of someone asking 'do you like these jeans'. Either yes or no is a perfectly fine answer without explanation.



If you told the person that the jeans made their 'Booty' look big or the jeans are too short, that would help them when looking for another pair, wouldn't it?

The 'negative' comment about the Jeans helps the person buying them look for another style or make. Same with voting cold, in my opinion.
[admin]#40
The 'negative' comment about the Jeans helps the person buying them look for another style or make. Same with voting cold, in my opinion.


Yes exactly. There is nothing wrong with voting cold. I think if anyone posted a deal and it got a cold vote and an explanation saying hey it's cheaper here or something that points to a better deal they would be only grateful. If they just get a cold vote and not explanation they will be left scratching their heads.

Just go to the forum and look at posts which got a cold vote right at the beginning and not explanation. A lot of the time the OP posts a response asking why....

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