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#1
I agree, I got ripped of in this way the first time I sold on here.
#2
At the end of the day if a "newbie" doesn't feel comfortable sending an item before payment then no ones forcing them to and they can wait until a buyer comes along who will pay first.
#3
We need some shakeup of the way newbies are treated but not expect them to send item first.


so what do u propose then?????????????
#4
bossyboots
We need some shakeup of the way newbies are treated but not expect them to send item first.


so what do u propose then?????????????


Something but that, I mean some of the things I have seen in FS/T are quite silly someone IMO was quite tight when they asked someone to send a game worth £1.50 first because the seller was new(despite the seller saying they knew it was worth a few quid more but it was just lying about) and they word it in such a way as to say "everyone does it"

Or another one when someone had like 14 positive feedbacks and someone with like 25 says "can you send first due to your limited feedback history"
#5
I've bought stuff off here from newbs without asking for them to send first, but then they have been low cost items.
If I was buying a half decent phone from a newbie then I would possibly ask them to post first.
I know I could ask for their name, address and phone number and I could ring the number and speak to them but at the end of the day, that is not absolutely guaranteed is it?
If the newbie doesn't want to post first, then that is fair enough.
I will take my custom elsewhere and they can wait for someone who will pay them first.
But that may never happen.
Every time you buy or sell on a forum like this you are taking a chance, even with established members.
You just have to weigh things up and decide if you want to pay up first, if you are buying, or send first, if you are selling.
No one is forcing anyone to send first.

I actually went and bought something from a seller in my home town, for a guy on here I had previously dealt with, and then posted it on to him.
The buyer sent me the money first 'cos he trusted me, I paid the seller and picked up the goods and I then posted the item off to the buyer.
At the end of the day, everyone was happy.
But if I hadn't done that, the buyer wouldn't have the item he wanted, and the seller would still be holding onto something he no longer wants.

You just have to take a chance sometimes and go with what is comfortable for you.

As Bossyboots has said, what would you do to change things?
banned#6
if you dont like it then dont send first. Enuff rules already and we dont need more!

/end
#7
For the root of this thread, see HERE

I have seen situations where the "newbie" seller is strong armed into posting first, but it is a choice taken by two adults how they wish to trade.

One party is always going to have to trust the other, and I see no reason for the rules to change.
1 Like #8
The op currently has the most negs of any active seller,so i think any comments about fs/ft changes by him are made somewhat redundant.

His feedback is quite frankly appalling....i suggest he gets his own house in order before commenting on others.



Edited By: boothy on Jul 31, 2010 08:30:
Edited By: boothy on Jul 31, 2010 08:30:
banned#9
boothy
The op currently has the most negs of any active seller,so i think any comments about fs/ft changes by him are made somewhat redundant.

His feedback is quite frankly appalling....i suggest he gets his own house in order before commenting on others.


+1
after the tv fiasco the op should understand why people want new members to post first
#10
It's been this way for a while...why ask for a change now?
banned#11
boothy
The op currently has the most negs of any active seller,so i think any comments about fs/ft changes by him are made somewhat redundant.

His feedback is quite frankly appalling....i suggest he gets his own house in order before commenting on others.



has a bloody cheek if you ask me after seeing that feedback
1 Like #12
thesaint
For the root of this thread, see HERE
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Ryouga your post in that thread was really out of order you know, plus you were thread spoiling and unnecessarily bumping that thread up. That OP was happy to post first and had obviously felt satisfied with Saints 50 positive feedback...............yet you who have 5 NEGATIVE feedback jumps in with that comment.

Tbh 5 negs is attrocious and I personally wouldnt buy from someone with that feedback unless they posted first.
#13
colinsunderland
boothy
The op currently has the most negs of any active seller,so i think any comments about fs/ft changes by him are made somewhat redundant.His feedback is quite frankly appalling....i suggest he gets his own house in order before commenting on others.
+1 after the tv fiasco the op should understand why people want new members to post first

What TV fiasco? http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/jumpingphil/what.gif
banned#14
Jumpingphil
colinsunderland
boothy
The op currently has the most negs of any active seller,so i think any comments about fs/ft changes by him are made somewhat redundant.His feedback is quite frankly appalling....i suggest he gets his own house in order before commenting on others.
+1 after the tv fiasco the op should understand why people want new members to post first


What TV fiasco? http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/jumpingphil/what.gif


he went crying to the mods and got it deleted from here but the one on avforums is here

The thread on here was much worse with alsorts of stuff being said by the Op that weren't true

Edited By: colinsunderland on Jul 31, 2010 12:39:
#15
This thread was started for one reason only,that being that due to the ops disgraceful feedback on here and across the internet nobody with the intelligence of a lentil would buy anything from him without asking him to post first.

Op does not give a monkeys about other members only himself as shown by his constant inability to complete trades in a professionals manner.

The threadspoil in the saints thread is worthy of an infraction,and imo anyone who gets more than 3 negs without a very good reason should be banned from FS/FT until they can show they are mature enough not to abuse that facility.

I guarantee the op will come along with his usual bag of excuses as he does in every thread he makes,nothing is ever his fault and we are all picking on him etc etc

Edited By: boothy on Jul 31, 2010 12:46:
1 Like #16
I was also disappointed with a past trade but chose not to leave feedback as I believe ryouga had personal issues with moving home at the time & I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

However, on deal threads I have seen since he "always" seems to be moving location; probably a gross exaggeration, but it appears to be that way. I appreciate I do not see every thread.

I am mentioning this because it is also a good reason to ask for a seller to send items first.
If in the negotiations you learn that a seller is moving house soon, it alerts buyers to the fact that they may never hear from the seller again after funds have been transferred.

As mentioned above, though, you will get an appreciation of a (new or existing) member's reliability from the responses you gain. You can still be caught out though (as I was earlier this year). Fortunately I got a refund, but that was only after chasing the seller almost every day including when he had left the country (without telling me or any of the other buyers waiting on items that he was going away for two weeks).

On the flipside of this, I bought the same item in another forum & the seller (with zero feedback) sounded very reliable but had no problem sending an item to an established member (such as myself) first because they appreciated the reservations I had about the sum of money involved.

A rule you should adopt with trading with anybody you do not know (or, in some cases, do know) is that you should not spend more than you can afford to lose.

BFN,

fp.
#17
colinsunderland

he went crying to the mods and got it deleted from here but the one on avforums is here

The thread on here was much worse with alsorts of stuff being said by the Op that weren't true


Wow I have just read through all of that oO thats worthy of a movie script X)
#18
bossyboots
colinsunderland

he went crying to the mods and got it deleted from here but the one on avforums is here

The thread on here was much worse with alsorts of stuff being said by the Op that weren't true


Wow I have just read through all of that oO thats worthy of a movie script X)


Same here!! Certainly an eye opener!
#19
Thanks for the link, colinsunderland.

Four months earlier a TV with the same model number was sold successfully by the same seller:

For Sale : Samsung LE32R73BD

BFN,

fp.
banned#20
bossyboots
colinsunderland

he went crying to the mods and got it deleted from here but the one on avforums is here

The thread on here was much worse with alsorts of stuff being said by the Op that weren't true


Wow I have just read through all of that oO thats worthy of a movie script X)


The one on here was much better - stuff like saying it had never been used, until someone found a thread where he had bought it 2nd hand, then changed to he meant he had never used it, until someone else found a post that showed he had etc etc.
He still whinges when I bring it up but in over 15 years of being online I don't think I've ever seen a trade go as badly wrong as that one. Obviously wasn't a one off either as his feedback on here shows.
banned#21
fanpages
Thanks for the link, colinsunderland.

Four months earlier a TV with the same model number was sold successfully by the same seller:

For Sale : Samsung LE32R73BD

BFN,

fp.


yep that was the thread that proved it wasn't new and he had used it :)
i think you mean bought not sold :)

Edited By: colinsunderland on Jul 31, 2010 13:28:
#22
colinsunderland
fanpages
Thanks for the link, colinsunderland.

Four months earlier a TV with the same model number was sold successfully by the same seller:

For Sale : Samsung LE32R73BD

BFN,

fp.


yep that was the thread that proved it wasn't new and he had used it :)
i think you mean bought not sold :)


Oh yes... whoops! Trying to juggle a reply with two kids demanding I buy something from the PlayStation Store at the same time was obviously not working.

Either way, I think before we run the risk of falling foul of the site rules to protect members from abuse we should just assume we have all learned something today & take that away with us.

BFN,

fp.
#23
bossyboots
colinsunderland
he went crying to the mods and got it deleted from here but the one on avforums is hereThe thread on here was much worse with alsorts of stuff being said by the Op that weren't true
Wow I have just read through all of that oO thats worthy of a movie script X)

Believe it or not, it wasn't the only one - he had a very similar dispute going on at the same time also on AVF with a PC he also mis-sold and I'm fairly sure another soon after.

I think it's entirely reasonable to request someone to post first if they've low feedback, I'd have no problem doing so if requested and I see it as a benefit as it means I can sell to someone who would otherwise not purchase my item. It's a reasonably standard practice in trading forums so I don't see any problem with it here.

John
#24
THREAD BACKFIRE!!!

On AVForums

ryouga
Ex Member
iTrader: 1 reviews, 100%
banned#25
colinsunderland

he went crying to the mods and got it deleted from here but the one on avforums is here

The thread on here was much worse with alsorts of stuff being said by the Op that weren't true


I don't see any deleted sale, the previous thread was here. However the OP perhaps had a past and this has backfired a little as the trade he referenced looked fine, although we don't recommend that course of action. It is after all up to the members involved as long as they adhere to the trading rules.

Feedback is only one of the tools members should use in order to come to a decision regarding trading.
banned#26
aScottishBloke
colinsunderland

he went crying to the mods and got it deleted from here but the one on avforums is here

The thread on here was much worse with alsorts of stuff being said by the Op that weren't true


I don't see any deleted sale, the previous thread was here. However the OP perhaps had a past and this has backfired a little as the trade he referenced looked fine, although we don't recommend that course of action. It is after all up to the members involved as long as they adhere to the trading rules.

Feedback is only one of the tools members should use in order to come to a decision regarding trading.


It was around a 15 page thread in misc he started when the dispute started over on av forums. Epic backfire, even worse than this. He then reported it and spammed it, despite members asking for it to be left as it showed his attitude to trades, it was either mod spammed or deleted. Not sure if it was ever returned.
banned#27
OK, I've given the response regarding the trading advice we highlight. In addition it's only advice to protect the members involved, who are of course able to make their own decision.

In that sense, I'll lock the feedback thread as the OP has had a response.

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