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#1
They've been allowed for ages, I remember someone posting loads of games from "Game" a few months back.

He listed about 5 games is separate threads within minutes of each other.
[admin]#2
What do you mean by "pre-owned"? Like refurbs?
banned#3
Admin
What do you mean by "pre-owned"? Like refurbs?


think the old word used to be second hand:thumbsup:
#4
Admin
What do you mean by "pre-owned"? Like refurbs?


Like second-hand software and accesories from Game and CEX for example.
#5
nightswimmer
Like second-hand software and accesories from Game and CEX for example.


Would Game/CEX have sufficient stock of any titles or items to cover any kind of demand?
#6
duckmagicuk2
Would Game/CEX have sufficient stock of any titles or items to cover any kind of demand?


I can't say for certain as I've never used them, but I doubt it as I'm guessing it depends on what's been traded in.
#7
I've had deals removed in the past for being pre-owned, but more recently they seem to be allowed.

Pre-Owned usually meaning traded in. Previously Viewed Meaning ex-rental.
#8
duckmagicuk2
Would Game/CEX have sufficient stock of any titles or items to cover any kind of demand?


Game/Gamestation/CEX all have pre-owned games etc available to buy online and CEX has a "live" stock update showing what stores hold stock and how many copies different stores have.
[admin]#9
Is the difference pretty clear between pre-owned and refurb? i.e. one is actually used by a person whereas the other is generally a return and then clean up to 'as new' by the merchant.
#10
Admin;1888739
Is the difference pretty clear between pre-owned and refurb? i.e. one is actually used by a person whereas the other is generally a return and then clean up to 'as new' by the merchant.

I would say so personally...:)
#11
Admin
Is the difference pretty clear between pre-owned and refurb? i.e. one is actually used by a person whereas the other is generally a return and then clean up to 'as new' by the merchant.


Do you mean in reference to Game, CEX, Gamestaion, etc. or in general?

If the first then yes, they are listed as Pre-Owned (i.e second hand) and sold as such.
[admin]#12
I mean in general. Like if we're going to make a rule how do we define the line. For sure I think reputable refurbs are ok. Not sure about pre-owned really.
#13
Deleted my post as it had already been stated above and I missed it, apologies :)
#14
Admin
I mean in general. Like if we're going to make a rule how do we define the line. For sure I think reputable refurbs are ok. Not sure about pre-owned really.


Personally I think that's where the line should be drawn.
#15
Admin
I mean in general. Like if we're going to make a rule how do we define the line. For sure I think reputable refurbs are ok. Not sure about pre-owned really.


I found the one I remembered, the others seem to have disappeared.
I don't know whether they were spammed or removed.

I think that 2nd hand items are okay if they are available online, as "High Street" offers can rarely be verified, as it may only be one store in 1 city that has it.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/97964/grand-theft-auto-3-ps2-preowned-2-9/
#16
thesaint
I think that 2nd hand items are okay if they are available online, as "High Street" offers can rarely be verified, as it may only be one store in 1 city that has it.


I post a load of computer game deals [probably too many :oops:) Nearly all of those deals could be beaten by posting second hand versions of the same deal. So which should I post, the deal for the new item because it's new, or the deal for the second hand item because it's the cheapest, or both, in which case you are going to get double the number of posts for computer game deals?

The same problem applies to all CD, DVD, book deals, etc. :thinking:
#17
Interesting question this. I take it pre-owned stuff from Game/CEX has a warranty? If so, the gap between pre-owned and refurbed is narrowed (both are likely to have damaged/imperfect boxes and signs of use, both are guaranteed to work). I think in either case if it is posted as a deal it should be made clear in the title and the OP that the item is not new...
#18
jah128
Interesting question this. I take it pre-owned stuff from Game/CEX has a warranty? If so, the gap between pre-owned and refurbed is narrowed (both are likely to have damaged/imperfect boxes and signs of use, both are guaranteed to work). I think in either case if it is posted as a deal it should be made clear in the title and the OP that the item is not new...


Cex gives a 12 month warrenty, but at the same time (in the case of computer games) it doesn't guarantee that you will get the manual.

Gamestation says with the exception of certain 'retro' items, all it's product come with their manuals, etc. but I think it only allows you to return an item up to 28 days after it was delivered.

I don't think Game do on-line pre-owned goods. SOmeone in a thread earlier said that the pre-owned stuff they sell in their shops have a 3 month warrenty.

There are lots of other places that sell pre-owned games though like TheGameCollection, Chips, etc. and I am guessing they have their own policies too.
#19
nightswimmer
I post a load of computer game deals [probably too many :oops:) Nearly all of those deals could be beaten by posting second hand versions of the same deal. So which should I post, the deal for the new item because it's new, or the deal for the second hand item because it's the cheapest, or both, in which case you are going to get double the number of posts for computer game deals?

The same problem applies to all CD, DVD, book deals, etc. :thinking:


Like I said, if they are avaliable to anyone with a credit card/debit card, I think it should be okay to post them as a deal. I don't think that it would lead to double the amount of threads for the same game/book/dvd.

If you find a deal for a game new and one 2nd hand being cheaper, then why not put it in the same thread in the 1st reply?
#20
thesaint
If you find a deal for a game new and one 2nd hand being cheaper, then why not put it in the same thread in the 1st reply?


You could do that, but if somone tries searching for it using the "Filter by Merchant" option, it isn't going to show up.

Also, if you allow second hand deals, does that mean it's ok to vote a deal cold because you can buy it cheaper second hand? Afterall in terms of usability, most people buying a DVD/CD/Computer game won't be affected if they buy the second hand version instead. :thinking:
#21
I don't believe that many will be searching for 2nd hand deals, and even less using the 'filter by merchant' option.

People vote cold for no reason at all, so I don't see what the difference is.

I don't bother with the 'Heat' of a deal when deciding on a purchase, as it means nothing in real terms, so not something that I have ever got any affinity to.
[admin]#22
Perhaps we should not allow pre-owned deals but notifications of sales at merchants which don't usually do pre-owned?

i.e. if Lovefilm did a big sale on old rental dvds that would bear notification but not individual deal postings.
#23
Some of the larger Pre-owned are useful though, like the XBOX deal at £20/£30 a few months ago.

For the games though, i agree, they are a bit less good, as these will be limited and different to every store.

So maybe just pre-owned consoles and accessories, and no games?
#24
The other day i managed to get Halo for £9 from blockbusters.

This was a really good deal that was posted and i wouldnt want them not to be posted in the future.

I think that as long as its a propper nationwide deal then its fine. Cex doesnt have many stores, or at least i havent seen any, but blockbusters, game, gamestation are all fine in my book.
#25
Admin
Perhaps we should not allow pre-owned deals but notifications of sales at merchants which don't usually do pre-owned?

i.e. if Lovefilm did a big sale on old rental dvds that would bear notification but not individual deal postings.


Just wondered Admin, but was this your final descission, or is this still to be decided? :)
#26
Just to throw another point into the mix - deals from Amazon Marketplace / eBay / PlayTrade are not allowed. Obviously they're mainly individual sellers as opposed to high-street chains, but it's still second-hand goods being sold. There's as much chance of getting a good deal from some of the 'banned' places as there is Blockbuster, Game, CEX. It's all about trust levels, and AM and eBay at least have feedback ratings to go on.

Personally I think it's better to just stick to new items only on this site. :)
#27
nightswimmer
Just wondered Admin, but was this your final descission, or is this still to be decided? :)


Could this be answered please?

We need to know one way or the other, as there have been a few 2nd hand games posted lately:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/209564/gran-turismo-5-prologue-ps3-9-99-de/
banned 1 Like #28
thesaint;2460948
Could this be answered please?

We need to know one way or the other, as there have been a few 2nd hand games posted lately:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/209564/gran-turismo-5-prologue-ps3-9-99-de/


Yes its really that important isnt it..... :whistling:
#29
nightswimmer
I post a load of computer game deals [probably too many :oops:) Nearly all of those deals could be beaten by posting second hand versions of the same deal. So which should I post, the deal for the new item because it's new, or the deal for the second hand item because it's the cheapest, or both, in which case you are going to get double the number of posts for computer game deals?

The same problem applies to all CD, DVD, book deals, etc. :thinking:


A second hand deal should be based on the same merit, simply whether it's a good deal or not - a second hand item is expected to be cheaper than a brand new item, therefore the best deal is an item which is cheaper than any other of its type. A secondhand game at 35 quid when it costs 40 quid brand new is not a good deal but getting it for 20 pounds would be a good deal.

John
#30
thesaint
Could this be answered please?

We need to know one way or the other, as there have been a few 2nd hand games posted lately:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/209564/gran-turismo-5-prologue-ps3-9-99-de/



Just putting this message again so that it doesn't get lost under the pointless comments that shouldn't be in Feedback.
banned#31
Johnmcl7;2462862
A second hand deal should be based on the same merit, simply whether it's a good deal or not - a second hand item is expected to be cheaper than a brand new item, therefore the best deal is an item which is cheaper than any other of its type. A secondhand game at 35 quid when it costs 40 quid brand new is not a good deal but getting it for 20 pounds would be a good deal.

John

Well put.

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