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#1
This is it, but we don't do stickies any more

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/34658/traders-to-avoid/all/all/hot/
#2
Maybe it should be rewritten (very hard to read now) and linked to from the warning that appears at the top of each FS thread (or at least from the FS/FT trading advice page).

Or could a warning be placed directly next to where trading feedback appears for members if they are on the TTA-list?
#3
yeah,need to be changed,cannot be read at all really
#4
cant read it very good, took me twenty minutes to find it. looks like it dont get updated anymore?

does it still be updated ?

could we get a link to it placed somewhere?
#5
Glad someone else has noticed, I think its quite a big deal as im fairly sure there are a few members on there who are not banned from the site or FS/FT forum thus are free to trade now without notice...
#6
this is what i see from the link.
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/9237/hotukkkkkwk4.th.png

its that mixed up canrt see a thing. it dosent look like its updated, the for sale section gets monitered by the members to a degree and any dodgy looking stuff normally gets picked up from someone but without the list it can be hard to keep up with problems etc..
#7
People on a trading ban are now unable to post in the for sale forum, we have a way to selectively ban them from that forum only.
#8
emmajk42;1463296
People on a trading ban are now unable to post in the for sale forum, we have a way to selectively ban them from that forum only.

thats even better.. thanks for replying :)
#9
emmajk42
People on a trading ban are now unable to post in the for sale forum, we have a way to selectively ban them from that forum only.


So the people who are on that list yet are actively trading on the FS forum can be assumed to be reliable to trade with then? :?

I think the position needs to be made clear here.
#10
The following members are all on the traders to avoid list and all appear to be actively trading on FS/FT forums:

jr129389
fessen
King1Gazza
rockatin

Don't really want to 'name and shame' but in the interest of all the members of the site the position on these traders should be made clear - if they are still considered untrustworthy ban them from the forum or rewrite the traders to avoid list!
banned#11
jah128
The following members are all on the traders to avoid list and all appear to be actively trading on FS/FT forums:

jr129389
fessen
King1Gazza
rockatin

Don't really want to 'name and shame' but in the interest of all the members of the site the position on these traders should be made clear - if they are still considered untrustworthy ban them from the forum or rewrite the traders to avoid list!


That thread aint worth the paper its written on (so to speak) it has been mentioned many times that users that are banned are still using, it only gets updated when someone remembers, the site ban of one member comes back with an aka then gets allowed to trade after ripping off how many, total joke really

And we now have more scammers than ever, im sure there must be a forum somewhere that has a thread "where to go to scam member" with a link to here, talk about we have more new members with the site change, yeah course we do all on the for sale board ripping off others:roll:
#12
Seems like the for sale section has just been left to it's own devices.
[admin]#13
The dnt list was kind of redundant b/c those members were banned anyway. Some members on dnt were banned until they resolved issues so perhaps you are thinking of those?
banned#14
Admin
The dnt list was kind of redundant b/c those members were banned anyway. Some members on dnt were banned until they resolved issues so perhaps you are thinking of those?


they had site bans, yet there alias didnt:?
[admin]#15
Report the alias then if you believe it is one.
banned#16
Admin
Report the alias then if you believe it is one.


you having a laugh, you know its an alias as you have put it in the bleedin list:?
#17
The traders to avoid list suggested jr129389 was connected to jase159. Only you can confirm this or otherwise.

Rockatin was on the list for whatever reason and it looks like another trade of his has gone wrong.

The point is by getting rid of the list yet not banning them it leads users with only trading feedback to go on. Before we had a list of people from whom trades had gone wrong or rules had been broken in the past, but you've scrapped this.

Simple question - are all 4 traders that are listed above to be considered trustworthy? (Would their names have been removed from the traders to avoid list if it was still running?)
#18
thinking about this more, think really the list should be re instated and updated..

if a member reports something dodgy, at least with the list in place it can be seen that something has been done and can be looked out for in future..

without the list it may look as if nothing has been done...
#19
List?! Hardly a list worth looking at in that condition.
#20
bump

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#21
jah128
The following members are all on the traders to avoid list and all appear to be actively trading on FS/FT forums:

jr129389
fessen
King1Gazza
rockatin

Don't really want to 'name and shame' but in the interest of all the members of the site the position on these traders should be made clear - if they are still considered untrustworthy ban them from the forum or rewrite the traders to avoid list!


bump
#22
I would like to see how many times a member has been banned attached to their feedback.
Some traders list things, and you know that it is going to end in tears. It seems to be the same ones all the time.

The feedback system is so long winded and flawed, that lots of people never get around to it/trust it.
#23
Seconded - or maybe a message saying that someone has been banned multiple times (given that with the current rules its pretty easy to get banned once...)
banned#24
I think to allow someone to trade on an alias after they have been banned is bad enough but for their to be no evidence of their deals to allow members to make up their own mind is well out of order
#25
If a member is trading now and not suspended/banned then it means that they are either 'clean' or we have assessed the situation and there are no outstanding problems and are happy that problems are unlikely to occur in the future.

If you're referring to the user I have in mind, sassie, we are beginning to allow them to trade again as all previous problems were resolved. We are, however, imposing restrictions on said user and watching them closely.

The user initially received their ban a year ago I believe. Any removed threads in this case were probably removed over a year ago!! A lot's changed since then - the FS/FT forum has changed, the way we deal with problem users are changed, the section has a dedicated moderator and the site's changed a lot too. We rarely remove threads entirely in there - it's usually a lock and expire job. Sometimes we remove if there's illegal trading etc, but I think we've taken to actually locking, expiring and removing the text with a reason in these situations.
banned#26
thanks for your reply ducky, but i think it is a little out of order, members on here go by the users past selling history, and to allow a member to remain an alias is totally unfair on members unaware, if you really feel this member has reslved all issues and are happy for them to trade then they should be trading under their originol name and not an alias, as you are happy to allow and monitor this member are you also going to step in when things go boobs up?
#27
pointless...
#28
I think you'll find you're incorrect in that respect, sassie... By simply checking the joining dates in their profiles, you'll have noticed that the user we have allowed back IS the original ID and not the alias.

User who we've allowed back and you think is the "alias":
Join Date: 08-06-2007

User who you thought was the "orginal user":
Join Date: 21-08-2006

So we are correct, are we not? And have applied the same rules that would be applied currently, a temporary ban for the original account and the other accounts permanently banned? And also, we have heard from previous buyers who confirm that the problems were corrected?

I await your response. :thumbsup:
banned#29
duckmagicuk2
I think you'll find you're incorrect in that respect, sassie... By simply checking the joining dates in their profiles, you'll have noticed that the user we have allowed back IS the original ID and not the alias.

User who we've allowed back and you think is the "alias":
Join Date: 08-06-2007

User who you thought was the "orginal user":
Join Date: 21-08-2006

So we are correct, are we not? And have applied the same rules that would be applied currently, a temporary ban for the original account and the other accounts permanently banned? And also, we have heard from previous buyers who confirm that the problems were corrected?

I await your response. :thumbsup:



original user join date 21-08-2006 now banned

user alias join date 08-06-2007 now trading

now forgive me if im worng here, but thought an alias was the non original, i think one of us has been on the pop, and it aint me
#30
Heh. OK. I admit I was wrong there. :p
banned#31
lmao

so back to the

thanks for your reply ducky, but i think it is a little out of order, members on here go by the users past selling history, and to allow a member to remain an alias is totally unfair on members unaware, if you really feel this member has reslved all issues and are happy for them to trade then they should be trading under their originol name and not an alias, as you are happy to allow and monitor this member are you also going to step in when things go boobs up?


P.s I await your response :p
#32
Well, taking a look back... it's the fault of a decision made last summer. All of the IDs were banned and the other user, this "alias", was permitted to remain on the forum with a ban from FS/FT. We know longer use these FS/FT bans, and when deciding to let the user continue trading it made more sense to let them use the current account that they've used for the last 8 months rather than ban their account and un-ban the other which hadn't been used in so long.

Not an ideal situation, but we were limited due to judgements made 8 months ago... decisions which would be considered differently and more carefully now (we ban the multiple accounts now and only give the original ID a temporary ban - I'm not sure what the policy was back then).
#33
:lol: tee hee whoops there ducky...

I've seen far too many threads removed without a trace for me to be happy with whats said above
We rarely remove threads entirely in there - it's usually a lock and expire job. Sometimes we remove if there's illegal trading etc, but I think we've taken to actually locking, expiring and removing the text with a reason in these situations.
I don't think its fair to honest users to do away with both the traders to avoid list and threads where suspect trades have taken place - why not make the rule you always leave the thread in place - the only thing you might need to censor is potentially libelous stuff (which rarely if ever happens in the FS/FT forum). Why delete threads where users have been selling suspect materials completely?
banned#34
from what i can see all of this original members trading posts have been removed, all other posts remain apart form their FS/FT posts, so why have they all been removed. i still do not understand why this alias was ever allowed to remain on the boards, and like i said i think it is unfair to allow a member to carry on trading when their alias history has been wiped from hukd and new members would not even be aware of this member, and like i said most deal with members due to their history and past posts
#35
jah128
:lol: tee hee whoops there ducky...

I've seen far too many threads removed without a trace for me to be happy with whats said above I don't think its fair to honest users to do away with both the traders to avoid list and threads where suspect trades have taken place - why not make the rule you always leave the thread in place - the only thing you might need to censor is potentially libelous stuff (which rarely if ever happens in the FS/FT forum). Why delete threads where users have been selling suspect materials completely?


As I said above, we now lock and expire threads rather than deleting. These threads were removed before we changed the policy, the site and took on a dedicated FS/FT mod and there's not much we can do about it 8 months on...
#36
I'm refering to now (past few weeks), not 8 months ago here - there are still many threads being permanently deleted on the FS/FT forum..

Is the reason that you can't be seen to have illegal goods on sale hence those threads are deleted?
banned#37
so before i watch this deal go, can a mod confirm they have received and confirmed this members details?

P.s And i do think sellers should be informed of the buyers past history, as this has been wiped
#38
sassie
so before i watch this deal go, can a mod confirm they have received and confirmed this members details?

P.s And i do think sellers should be informed of the buyers past history, as this has been wiped


Why not report the thread, as just hoping that a mod reads this thread is not the best way of alerting them?
banned#39
thesaint
Why not report the thread, as just hoping that a mod reads this thread is not the best way of alerting them?


trust me this gets read quicker than a report
#40
sassie
trust me this gets read quicker than a report


I dunno, we're pretty good with reports. Even if we don't reply to you and tell you exactly what we've said to the users involved. :?

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