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#1
Give up... don't bother trading on here. I've noticed FS threads where the seller hasn't stated prices, which is against the rules. But the threads are going on strong with like 50 posts, with people basically performing an auction. No action is taken on them, but then another thread gets shut down in seconds without completely justifying it. No doubt you will have this thread deleted before long.
#2
donbreach
Give up... don't bother trading on here. I've noticed FS threads where the seller hasn't stated prices, which is against the rules. But the threads are going on strong with like 50 posts, with people basically performing an auction. No action is taken on them, but then another thread gets shut down in seconds without completely justifying it. No doubt you will have this thread deleted before long.


Things do happen, haven't you just returned after being banned? :thinking:
#3
Well, they haven't happened in this case, and there is far too much evidence connecting them to the website which they have self-promoted to put beyond reasonable doubt the credibility of their FS/FT posts, yet it is my warning posts that have been deleted...
#4
You have stated that they(mods) have ignored your posts, yet they have removed the website address?
Does this not seem contradictory?

If they removed the website address, there is no need for your posts to be there, so what is the problem?
#5
The seller is clearly closely linked to a website and is selling items which are available on that website on the FS/FT forums. Their reasons for sale on their posts are also highly dubious.
#6
jah128
The seller is clearly closely linked to a website and is selling items which are available on that website on the FS/FT forums. Their reasons for sale on their posts are also highly dubious.


You have done your bit, if the mods are happy, then they're happy.
#7
They may be happy but there is a trader breaching several rules and trading on the FS/FT forum. I am not happy with that. It is beyond reasonable doubt that the trader in question is both lying in their FS/FT posts and being dishonest in their posts on this site, and for the good of the site I am not happy with that.

WHO CAN SELL, BUY AND TRADE

(1) This is for personal trading/selling only. NO businesses or bulk sales. No linking to an external business


This is a community site, self-promotion will result in a ban!
1 Like #8
some people can break the rules...whilst the honest folk like us make a mistake and we get punished.... im sick of it myself and will never have the respect for this site as i once did....
#9
Im sure the mods will be unable to sleep tonight knowing you are sick of this iste!! If you dont like it dont use it.
1 Like #10
adamsxi
Im sure the mods will be unable to sleep tonight knowing you are sick of this iste!! If you dont like it dont use it.


A really useful post, thanks :x

Tazandsaz is completely correct here, probably the most respected seller on the boards gets a ban for being honest whilst others bend rules, break rules, play the system and get away with it :whistling:
[admin]#11
jah128- When users break a specific rule, or we have proof that they're self promoting, it's easy to issue a suitable punishment. However, with members like the one you're discussing, there is no definite link. All we can do is warn them not to post the links to that site- if they ignore a warning, they receive an infraction (which is exactly what's happened in this case.) If they reoffend after their infraction, then we can think about banning. We are watching this member like a hawk, but we need members to continie reporting dodgy posts and any hint of rule breaking. I have to apologise because I dealt with the report you sent, but I didn't scroll down and read your final comment requesting we let you know what's going on, I just clicked the link & deleted the post. I deleted your post as you'd quoted the user.

Donbreach, if you can provide an example of the kind of thread you're talking about, I'll take a look at it.

Taz- you know the score :) You broke a rule, one that's in black and white in the guidelines. I'm sorry you think it's unfair you got a ban honey, but again, if we "let you off" as you're a well respected member, what kind of example is being set? That if you've a bunch of successful trades under your belt, you get a "get out of jail free" card?

We're doing our best but we can't always please everyone, and your reports are essential to us- where possible we'll clamp down on rule breakers, but we have to have a definite link between a member and a website before banning them for self promotion :)
#12
adamsxi
Im sure the mods will be unable to sleep tonight knowing you are sick of this iste!! If you dont like it dont use it.


tazandsaz have post 207.7777777778 times the amount you have so shhhhhhhh
#13
Thanks for the reply jb, it is appreciated :), I'm 100% convinced there is a pretty much definite link in this case but I guess thats your call (sorry I'm at work now but I have saved plenty of evidence on my laptop - same email address has promoted said site over a dozen times before on other sites etc etc). Think in some cases its better to err on the side of caution though, it would have been better to at least leave my (or another) warning post in the specific FS threads rather than deleting them and leaving the thread open...
#14
thesaint
Things do happen, haven't you just returned after being banned? :thinking:


Yes I did... I got banned for listing a pen that was on here and ebay (although I had enough to list on both sites)... which is fair enough... 1 day ban

When I come back on, I relist the for sale items... minus the ones that got me the ban in the first place... which is totally fine, you are allowed to do that. Yet I got a weeks ban.

I sent apologies and explanations to Col on both occasions saying I would make ammendments and etc. But received the ban straight after instead of a response.

Yet there are people on here breaking rules left right and centre. When I report them, nothing happens.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/150576/showthread.php?t=150576&page=4

This thread was reported by a few people... but mods did nothing, the only reason prices were listed in this FS thread in the end was we kept asking for prices.
#15
Yet if I had done it... and had four pages of responses without listing prices, I probably would have had my thread locked and given a ban.
#16
I read the threads that got you banned, you mention the pens, but forgot about the 2 multiple i.d's?(Oh yeah, 1 was a friend :whistling:)

The thread you've quoted is hardly a banning offence(IMO) he was asked for prices by a member in post#9, and stated in post #10 that he is really interested in trades.

If people continue to offer prices, more fool them, they should've waited as he made his position clear.

looking to trade more then anything else. will work out prices in a bit if no trades tho.


Less than an hour later, people start asking for prices again.
[admin]#17
jah128
I'm 100% convinced there is a pretty much definite link in this case


If you do have info please add it to the report as it would help the mods also.

donbreach - you can't even keep your story straight between your complaints so it's all getting to be a bit old.
#18
thesaint
I read the threads that got you banned, you mention the pens, but forgot about the 2 multiple i.d's?(Oh yeah, 1 was a friend :whistling:)


I live with 5 other people... as I'm at uni, so I asked one of my housemates to sign up to defend me and contact hawkio, as he had paid for his pens and obviously I was banned so couldn't let him know I was posting them on monday... at the end of the day I could have stole his money due to being banned and not bothered selling them. But I bothered to ask a housemate to sign up using his personal email to sort it out.

Admin

donbreach - you can't even keep your story straight between your complaints so it's all getting to be a bit old.


My story has been the same the whole time, if u would like to point out any grey areas, please do so.
#19
thesaint

The thread you've quoted is hardly a banning offence(IMO) he was asked for prices by a member in post#9, and stated in post #10 that he is really interested in trades.

If people continue to offer prices, more fool them, they should've waited as he made his position clear.
Less than an hour later, people start asking for prices again.


O.k so if anyone is selling on here in future... put FS/FT in your thread name. Reject every trade offer and wait for people to auction off your goods, to see how much money you can make.

Might just have to start a thread FS/FT Halo 3 Xbox 360
I'm looking to trade my copy of Halo 3 for a 50" HD Sony TV, otherwise make me an offer... sure u would be one of the first people to report that.
#20
donbreach
I live with 5 other people... as I'm at uni, so I asked one of my housemates to sign up to defend me and contact hawkio, as he had paid for his pens and obviously I was banned so couldn't let him know I was posting them on monday... at the end of the day I could have stole his money due to being banned and not bothered selling them. But I bothered to ask a housemate to sign up using his personal email to sort it out.


So did you dictate what to your "friend" wrote, as I find it hard to believe that your "friend" would understand exactly what to say within minutes(?) of you being banned?

O.k so if anyone is selling on here in future... put FS/FT in your thread name. Reject every trade offer and wait for people to auction off your goods, to see how much money you can make.

Might just have to start a thread FS/FT Halo 3 Xbox 360
I'm looking to trade my copy of Halo 3 for a 50" HD Sony TV, otherwise make me an offer... sure u would be one of the first people to report that
.

You are starting to sound silly.
#21
thesaint
So did you dictate what to your "friend" wrote, as I find it hard to believe that your "friend" would understand exactly what to say within minutes(?) of you being banned?
You are starting to sound silly.


Yeah blatently I told him what to write... but that's not the point. Surely you can understand, if I have received money from someone for an item, then it was the right thing to get someone to sign up to give them piece of mind. Rather than wait a week etc.

As for the sound silly... technically someone could do that. So maybe things should be made clearer. If I was to trade on here anymore I will always be putting FS/FT in my threads to see what people want to offer.
#22
donbreach
Yeah blatently I told him what to write... but that's not the point. Surely you can understand, if I have received money from someone for an item, then it was the right thing to get someone to sign up to give them piece of mind. Rather than wait a week etc.


I don't believe you, and I doubt anyone else with any working grey matter does, but you've served your ban.

donbreach

As for the sound silly... technically someone could do that. So maybe things should be made clearer. If I was to trade on here anymore I will always be putting FS/FT in my threads to see what people want to offer.


The OP in the thread in question had not done what you had suggested, He/she had made a mistake, but when it was pointed out, made it clear that he/she wanted to trade, not sell.

He/she did not court any prices, quite the opposite.

You should expect a ban if you do something like what you've outlined. I believe it would be a month next time.
#23
thesaint
I don't believe you, and I doubt anyone else with any working grey matter does, but you've served your ban.


It is not for you to assume other people believe what you do... as for you not believing me, not bothered. That's up to you, but other people use their cerebrum in different ways than yourself.
#24
thesaint

He/she did not court any prices, quite the opposite.


Maybe if you had read through the thread?

dandoc2
Offer £6 for transformers

Farsightboy
£7 For Transformers delivered Paypal?

Ace Hayward
as for transformers i do feel that its worth more then £7 so i'll hold out for a higher offer with that if i was to sell.


Doesn't sound like he/she is pitting one HUKD member against another, or getting a little auction going? Remember at this point the OP had not named a price...
#25
donbreach
Maybe if you had read through the thread?


I have read the thread, like I said earlier, the OP states that he wants trades, it isn't until post #37 that he mentions any prices after a member quotes his/herself asking for a price for King Kong.

He had already stated his position, and ignored her previous question, if members want to ignore what he has said in no uncertain terms(trades), he shouldn't be banned because of it.

.
#26
thesaint
I have read the thread, like I said earlier, the OP states that he wants trades, it isn't until post #37 that he mentions any prices after a member quotes his/herself asking for a price for King Kong.

He had already stated his position, and ignored her previous question, if members want to ignore what he has said in no uncertain terms(trades), he shouldn't be banned because of it.

.


No he shouldn't, but he should list the prices... thats the rules if you are going to list as FS/FT then list prices. I don't make the rules. If the OP only wanted trades list as FT... then maybe if that doesn't work. Close the thread and list as FS.
[admin]#27
donbreach
My story has been the same the whole time, if u would like to point out any grey areas, please do so.


http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/152586/whats-the-point-in-reporting/showpost.php?p=1661462&postcount=15
Yes I did... I got banned for listing a pen that was on here and ebay (although I had enough to list on both sites)... which is fair enough... 1 day ban

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/152464/back-but-for-how-long/showpost.php?p=1658976&postcount=6
I listed some pens (some that could have been mistsaken for ones on ebay)... so fair enough 1 day ban.
#28
Admin
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/152586/whats-the-point-in-reporting/showpost.php?p=1661462&postcount=15
Yes I did... I got banned for listing a pen that was on here and ebay (although I had enough to list on both sites)... which is fair enough... 1 day ban

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/152464/back-but-for-how-long/showpost.php?p=1658976&postcount=6
I listed some pens (some that could have been mistsaken for ones on ebay)... so fair enough 1 day ban.


Still can't see what ur point is... the stories are the same. (I accept the 1 day ban, but baffed over the 1 week one).

I got banned for 1 day because I had listed a pen set on ebay and on here (Although I had enough for both ebay and HUKD as in for example I have 2 sets... one on here and one on ebay).
But fair enough, this could easily be mistaken. So I took the one day ban. & learned from my mistake.

The 1 week ban though, I took this pen set out of my listing, so now the pens that I were selling were not the same design as the ones on ebay, they were completely diffrerent so no mistakes could be made. So now the pen sets I had listed on here were nothing to do with the ones on ebay. But I got a week ban. (Hope that makes it clearer).
#29
donbreach
No he shouldn't, but he should list the prices... thats the rules if you are going to list as FS/FT then list prices. I don't make the rules. If the OP only wanted trades list as FT... then maybe if that doesn't work. Close the thread and list as FS.


Yes, he should've listed prices, but when this was pointed out to him in post #9 he stated that he wanted trades only.

Members then harassed him for prices even after he stated this clearly and concisely.
#30
Well then the title should have been ammended by a mod, he actually stated he would consider selling if he wasn't happy with trades.
#31
donbreach
Well then the title should have been ammended by a mod,


Agree that a mod could've amended it.


donbreach
he actually stated he would consider selling if he wasn't happy with trades.


Yes, like I said earlier, this was at post #37, up until this point, he maintained that he wanted to trade.
#32
Or you could do this...

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/152758/for-trade-sale/

'Will only trade for cash or 360 games' :)

In fairness the Op has added prices now...
#33
juliet_bravo
jah128- When users break a specific rule, or we have proof that they're self promoting, it's easy to issue a suitable punishment. However, with members like the one you're discussing, there is no definite link. All we can do is warn them not to post the links to that site- if they ignore a warning, they receive an infraction (which is exactly what's happened in this case.) If they reoffend after their infraction, then we can think about banning. We are watching this member like a hawk, but we need members to continie reporting dodgy posts and any hint of rule breaking. I have to apologise because I dealt with the report you sent, but I didn't scroll down and read your final comment requesting we let you know what's going on, I just clicked the link & deleted the post. I deleted your post as you'd quoted the user.

Donbreach, if you can provide an example of the kind of thread you're talking about, I'll take a look at it.

Taz- you know the score :) You broke a rule, one that's in black and white in the guidelines. I'm sorry you think it's unfair you got a ban honey, but again, if we "let you off" as you're a well respected member, what kind of example is being set? That if you've a bunch of successful trades under your belt, you get a "get out of jail free" card?

We're doing our best but we can't always please everyone, and your reports are essential to us- where possible we'll clamp down on rule breakers, but we have to have a definite link between a member and a website before banning them for self promotion :)


hey J Biz, its not just the ban i know i deserved it...im just saying ive seen others do it too without any punishment....plus theres more stuff.....i dont really want to get into it as its not against you or anyone in particular....i just have to get over it and move on...i do my best to stick to the rules..its just hard in certain cases, specially when you dont know a new rule has been added... i dont expect to be treated any different from a new member, in any cases..just a bit of respect, and some understanding. ive been here a while.ive stuck to the rules and i get on with most, including you.....you have a certain amount of trust, faith etc in me, and when i break the rules ur a bit dissapointed, same with when i cant get my point across and am dissmissed like a scrap ....dissapints me too.....like i said nothing im saying is against anyone personally... just sayign my peace.....:thumbsup:
#34
jah128
A really useful post, thanks :x

Tazandsaz is completely correct here, probably the most respected seller on the boards gets a ban for being honest whilst others bend rules, break rules, play the system and get away with it :whistling:


thanks for the support mate..
#35
REDRANGER86
tazandsaz have post 207.7777777778 times the amount you have so shhhhhhhh


again thanks for the support mate
#36
#37
Also hot "deals" which don't have the postage costs included in the title are now allowed all over the place, whereas it used to be a rule that you had to state the full delivered price to avoid misleading people. That's never enforced anymore, even if you report the deal. Thus the forum gets even more cluttered up with lameness.
#38
Agreed. Well I messaged Col yesterday to see if I can list my 2 pen sets for sale... but no response as of yet. I have the feeling he is waiting for me to list them without him responding, then just banning me. But I won't give him the pleasure.
#39
Codify
Also hot "deals" which don't have the postage costs included in the title are now allowed all over the place, whereas it used to be a rule that you had to state the full delivered price to avoid misleading people. That's never enforced anymore, even if you report the deal. Thus the forum gets even more cluttered up with lameness.


I don't think this was ever the case? I am relatively new, so may be mistaken.
I remember seeing a thread last year where Admin gave his thoughts, and he didn't say this(I think).
#40
thesaint
I don't think this was ever the case? I am relatively new, so may be mistaken.
I remember seeing a thread last year where Admin gave his thoughts, and he didn't say this(I think).


it was always at least edited to show the delivered price as far as i remember

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