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#1
I did notice he had lots of items for sale yesterday,is he a multi........
[mod]#2
deb8z
I did notice he had lots of items for sale yesterday,is he a multi........


He got suspended for having multi accounts this morning.
banned#3
makes sense, but it would mean mods locking down all said members threads, as i doubt there is a button to click to lock down on suspension and if there was would you trust the team to press it and not knacker the site even more
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Syzable
deb8z
I did notice he had lots of items for sale yesterday,is he a multi........
He got suspended for having multi accounts this morning.

see,this I just dont understand! if a SELLER is found to have multis,why are they suspended? surely all their accounts should be BANNED to protect us all?a seller using multis is quite deliberately trying to deceive/scam and should be got rid of imho.
#5
I agree Barky,it makes no sense does it to let the original account stand,people probably think they may as well take a chance on setting up a new account because even when they are found out there are no consequences,other than the "new" account being banned.
#6
barky2 people like this
Syzable
deb8z
I did notice he had lots of items for sale yesterday,is he a multi........
He got suspended for having multi accounts this morning.
see,this I just dont understand! if a SELLER is found to have multis,why are they suspended? surely all their accounts should be BANNED to protect us all?a seller using multis is quite deliberately trying to deceive/scam and should be got rid of imho.

Guy in question created a multi after being suspended. So I see from his other threads.
[mod]#7
Adam2050
barky2 people like this
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deb8z
I did notice he had lots of items for sale yesterday,is he a multi........
He got suspended for having multi accounts this morning.
see,this I just dont understand! if a SELLER is found to have multis,why are they suspended? surely all their accounts should be BANNED to protect us all?a seller using multis is quite deliberately trying to deceive/scam and should be got rid of imho.


Guy in question created a multi after being suspended. So I see from his other threads.


Even if he did then it's still the same principal. There is no deterrent to creating multi id's at all.
#8
Syzable
Adam2050
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deb8z
I did notice he had lots of items for sale yesterday,is he a multi........
He got suspended for having multi accounts this morning.
see,this I just dont understand! if a SELLER is found to have multis,why are they suspended? surely all their accounts should be BANNED to protect us all?a seller using multis is quite deliberately trying to deceive/scam and should be got rid of imho.
Guy in question created a multi after being suspended. So I see from his other threads.
Even if he did then it's still the same principal. There is no deterrent to creating multi id's at all.

I'm guessing the lengthy suspension is meant to be the deterrent, I would get really annoyed If I came back to PC to find the wife had signed up to this "new site" and started trading (Not likely to happen) but I came back to find both accounts banned.

If there serial offenders I'm pretty sure there banned, as they only reason you would do so would be to scam members or to bump your own threads, so I would also assume they would be frowned apon.
#9
Adam2050
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Adam2050
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deb8z
I did notice he had lots of items for sale yesterday,is he a multi........
He got suspended for having multi accounts this morning.
see,this I just dont understand! if a SELLER is found to have multis,why are they suspended? surely all their accounts should be BANNED to protect us all?a seller using multis is quite deliberately trying to deceive/scam and should be got rid of imho.
Guy in question created a multi after being suspended. So I see from his other threads.
Even if he did then it's still the same principal. There is no deterrent to creating multi id's at all.
I'm guessing the lengthy suspension is meant to be the deterrent, I would get really annoyed If I came back to PC to find the wife had signed up to this "new site" and started trading (Not likely to happen) but I came back to find both accounts banned. If there serial offenders I'm pretty sure there banned, as they only reason you would do so would be to scam members or to bump your own threads, so I would also assume they would be frowned apon.

You agree that a suspension is enough for someone deliberately setting up a new ID to trade under ?
#10
deb8z
Adam2050
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Adam2050
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deb8z
I did notice he had lots of items for sale yesterday,is he a multi........
He got suspended for having multi accounts this morning.
see,this I just dont understand! if a SELLER is found to have multis,why are they suspended? surely all their accounts should be BANNED to protect us all?a seller using multis is quite deliberately trying to deceive/scam and should be got rid of imho.
Guy in question created a multi after being suspended. So I see from his other threads.
Even if he did then it's still the same principal. There is no deterrent to creating multi id's at all.
I'm guessing the lengthy suspension is meant to be the deterrent, I would get really annoyed If I came back to PC to find the wife had signed up to this "new site" and started trading (Not likely to happen) but I came back to find both accounts banned. If there serial offenders I'm pretty sure there banned, as they only reason you would do so would be to scam members or to bump your own threads, so I would also assume they would be frowned apon.
You agree that a suspension is enough for someone deliberately setting up a new ID to trade under ?

Think that's a massive assumption. No I would expect both ID's to get banned as I have said above, anyone that is deceptive usually ends up banned.

Scammers are banned as well as there multi ID's.

I don't think it's fair to ban the original ID if they create a new one because they don't understand the rules on ID's I assume there informed of the reason there multi gets banned. So as I said if there a serial offender then they should be dealt with.
#11
I'm not assuming anything adam,that's why i'm asking you to clarify your stance on this as i'm confused by your replies.

You say above you would expect both ID's to get banned,but then further down you say you don't think it's fair to ban the original ID.

You're either contradicting yourself or i'm reading it wrong :|
#12
deb8z
I'm not assuming anything adam,that's why i'm asking you to clarify your stance on this as i'm confused by your replies.You say above you would expect both ID's to get banned,but then further down you say you don't think it's fair to ban the original ID.You're either contradicting yourself or i'm reading it wrong :|

My Stance.

Multi ID's should be banned if they have an original.
Multi ID's should be banned if they are deceptive.
Original ID's should not be banned if a multi is made to contact mod.
Ogirinal ID's should serve a lengthy ban if there created out of Jest.
Original ID's are banned if they are deceptive.
Original ID's are banned if they are scammers.
#13
Adam2050
deb8z
I'm not assuming anything adam,that's why i'm asking you to clarify your stance on this as i'm confused by your replies.You say above you would expect both ID's to get banned,but then further down you say you don't think it's fair to ban the original ID.You're either contradicting yourself or i'm reading it wrong :|
My Stance.Multi ID's should be banned if they have an original.Multi ID's should be banned if they are deceptive.Original ID's should not be banned if a multi is made to contact mod.Ogirinal ID's should serve a lengthy ban if there created out of Jest.Original ID's are banned if they are deceptive.Original ID's are banned if they are scammers.

Now i get where you're coming from (_;)
#14
Adam2050
deb8z
I'm not assuming anything adam,that's why i'm asking you to clarify your stance on this as i'm confused by your replies.You say above you would expect both ID's to get banned,but then further down you say you don't think it's fair to ban the original ID.You're either contradicting yourself or i'm reading it wrong :|


My Stance.

Multi ID's should be banned if they have an original.
Multi ID's should be banned if they are deceptive.
Original ID's should not be banned if a multi is made to contact mod.
Ogirinal ID's should serve a lengthy ban if there created out of Jest.
Original ID's are banned if they are deceptive.
Original ID's are banned if they are scammers.


multi id's and originals should be banned full stop. there is in my opinion no valid reason for someone to create a multi and both accounts should be banned.

the issue of having the same ip well it's already in the rules what to do if someone in the same household has an account and as the mods apparently don't just rely on this as to whether someone is a multi then again the ban should be on both accounts.
banned#15
barky3 people like this
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deb8z
I did notice he had lots of items for sale yesterday,is he a multi........
He got suspended for having multi accounts this morning.


see,this I just dont understand! if a SELLER is found to have multis,why are they suspended? surely all their accounts should be BANNED to protect us all?a seller using multis is quite deliberately trying to deceive/scam and should be got rid of imho.


+1, when i brought this up before I was told it wasn't fair to ban the original id as they might have just created the multi to use while the original id was suspended. Whats the point of suspending them if they are still allowed to use the site under the multi.

The only possible exception would be if the multi was created solely to contact a mod via pm. If its used at all to post with then the orig should be banned too.

Edited By: colinsunderland on Oct 13, 2010 17:35: x
#16
Of course there are cases where a multi ID is created without deception/circumventing the rules.

Once this is the case, then an auto ban shouldn't happen.

Adam2050


Multi ID's should be banned if they have an original.
Multi ID's should be banned if they are deceptive.
Original ID's should not be banned if a multi is made to contact mod.
Ogirinal ID's should serve a lengthy ban if there created out of Jest.
Original ID's are banned if they are deceptive.
Original ID's are banned if they are scammers.


What's the difference between a ban and a lengthy ban?
banned#17
thesaint
Of course there are cases where a multi ID is created without deception/circumventing the rules.

Once this is the case, then an auto ban shouldn't happen.


Name one?

The rules state
* Members creating multiple user names without a prior agreement with Admin or Moderators will be permanently banned from the site.


That to me suggests the original id should be banned too.
#18
colinsunderland


Name one?


Sorry, I forgot to put "Meaning" in my previous reply.
As in, "A member could create another account on HUKD without meaning to deceive anybody, or using it to circumvent the rules".

colinsunderland



The rules state
* Members creating multiple user names without a prior agreement with Admin or Moderators will be permanently banned from the site.


That to me suggests the original id should be banned too.


It's a suggestion, or an interpretation, and the mods have previously given examples where this would not help sometimes.


Edited By: thesaint on Oct 14, 2010 08:46: -
#19
On Ebay for example if you're NARU on one ID and get caught selling on another that goes the same way,i don't see why it should differ here.
banned#20
deb8z
On Ebay for example if you're NARU on one ID and get caught selling on another that goes the same way,i don't see why it should differ here.


If an original ID is subject to a ban, rest assured any linked ID's will also be banned.
[mod]#21
aScottishBloke
deb8z
On Ebay for example if you're NARU on one ID and get caught selling on another that goes the same way,i don't see why it should differ here.


If an original ID is subject to a ban, rest assured any linked ID's will also be banned.


Any thoughts on the original topic? :)
#22
Sorry Sy,it went O/T
banned#23
Syzable

Any thoughts on the original topic? :)


Sure.

As long as the thread is valid and the member is suspended for something unrelated, then we shouldn't be punishing twice. The thread is open, offers can be made and the OP should consider them on their return.
[mod]#24
Fair dinkum. :)
#25
thesaint
Of course there are cases where a multi ID is created without deception/circumventing the rules.Once this is the case, then an auto ban shouldn't happen.
Adam2050
Multi ID's should be banned if they have an original.Multi ID's should be banned if they are deceptive.Original ID's should not be banned if a multi is made to contact mod.Ogirinal ID's should serve a lengthy ban if there created out of Jest.Original ID's are banned if they are deceptive.Original ID's are banned if they are scammers.
What's the difference between a ban and a lengthy ban?

Nothing miss use of words as you full know with me.

Suspension would be the correct word.
banned#26
Syzable
Fair dinkum. :)


Just my thoughts though and not meant to be a statement of "We're leaving it as it is". More of an explanation why some are left open. :)
#27
Syzable
Fair dinkum. :)

Great comeback there Sy oO
[mod]#28
deb8z
Syzable
Fair dinkum. :)


Great comeback there Sy oO


I'm not here to argue......my suggestion was made and acknowledged. Therefore i am happy. :)
#29
I never said anything about arguing,i thought feedback was here to discuss things and you didn't go much further after the initial opening post.i thought you would have ran further with it,obviously not.
[mod] 1 Like #30
deb8z
I never said anything about arguing,i thought feedback was here to discuss things and you didn't go much further after the initial opening post.i thought you would have ran further with it,obviously not.


I've been on here almost 5 years...........i've learnt it's futile. :p
#31
What show is that out of,resistance is futile X)

Of course, Star Trek,you'd be surprised at what i watch X)

Edited By: deb8z on Oct 14, 2010 17:12: Just because :o)
[mod]#32
deb8z
What show is that out of,resistance is futile X)


I never had you down as a Trekkie. lol
banned#33
Personally I think member should be warned first before being permenantly banned..
1 Like #34
Personally I think member should be warned first before being permenantly banned..


lol, did you get your letter.
banned#35
Kap89
Personally I think member should be warned first before being permenantly banned..


in b4 the ba.....
ooops too late
banned#36
Kap89
Personally I think member should be warned first before being permenantly banned..


You most certainly were warned on your original ID. The fact that the audacity to bump your for sale threads then deleted the bumps in order to gain you advantage over other members will serve you no favour here. Creating multi id's in order to continue posting is never recommended as it only serves to increase the suspension period on the original account.
#37
But why isn't the original ID banned,as above ^^^^^ their suspension is longer?? why isn't it banned,i really don't get it,if it never gets banned what's the point in keep applying suspensions to repeat offenders............
banned 1 Like #38
aScottishBloke
Syzable
Fair dinkum. :)


Just my thoughts though and not meant to be a statement of "We're leaving it as it is". More of an explanation why some are left open. :)


the thread today about you should be proof enough why original id's should be banned along with the multi's. The targetted abuse you and others got should have got at least one member banned.
banned#39
Thanks colinsunderland, Like the rest of the mods, I'm made of teflon, but most of the flak is actually only highlighting the inability of some to get a point across in a reasonable and civil manner. However we do try to look at this closer and see if any of the points are relevant, however thinly disguised.
banned#40
aScottishBloke
Thanks colinsunderland, Like the rest of the mods, I'm made of teflon, but most of the flak is actually only highlighting the inability of some to get a point across in a reasonable and civil manner. However we do try to look at this closer and see if any of the points are relevant, however thinly disguised.


That member attacked various members in a series of posts. If I did that I would expect to be banned. Has the original ID been banned?

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