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#1
As far as I know you are right and the op can sell to anyone. I saw this is a thread about two days ago ( ie the op choicin who he sold to, but cannot find it ) I have checked the updated rules and cannot see that anything has changed..........
#2
Don't think there ever was a 'rule' about it. Like the pirates code, it was more guidelines.... It's just good manners to accept the first 'serious' offer at asking price. If this is about the PSP though, the OP didn't even get the chance before Edi stepped in. No doubt they would have just said Ok, sorry to the next offer, if it falls through first refusal blah blah. Having said that, as it's the OP's property you can't actually force them to sell it to anybody if they're not happy with the transaction.
#3
guv
But thinking back.... Odriscol offered to buy a BEKO at asking price - which wasnt actually accepted - and then went on to ask lots of questions. Someone stepped in that was local and the deal was done under everyones noses. That was deemed ok!!!


I remember the reason it was sold to the other user was because the seller wanted it gone (personal collection) and s/he collected it straight away, but Odriscoll wanted it sent by courier. To be fair I would have done the same thing with a 32" TV, as no doubt most people on here would.
banned#4
Shengis
I remember the reason it was sold to the other user was because the seller wanted it gone (personal collection) and s/he collected it straight away, but Odriscoll wanted it sent by courier. To be fair I would have done the same thing with a 32" TV, as no doubt most people on here would.


I agree BTW - and he was trying to add bits and peices after the event (like payment method.)

The point being though, until you adopt asystem like they have on AVF, this sort of thing will come up time and again. But even their system is flawed (IMHO) like the example that nearly had me over!

All the time someone can make an offer they can retract, the buyer has the same priviledge.

So the seller must specify a full description of the item inc condition etc, method of payment accepted inc postal costs if applicable. If they have preferences (like collection), then stating that will mean the Odriscoll thing wouldnt have arisen. He hadnt met the criteria and the buyer would have been fine to accept the offer he did - unless of course he agreed to sell to Odriscoll and he hadnt been tooing and frowing with his own T&Cs for purchase!

Anyway, its just a suggestion. Not down to me and isnt something that will affect me. Though having said that, if I did try to flog something, I would spell it out so there could be no arguement!
banned#5
Still no answer, then will assume, as i thought, nothing has been changed and you can infact sell to who you choose to:-D
[admin]#6
I am quite sure the rules are that if an offer is made to the OP that satisfies all conditions then it is considered closed and they can't change it to someone else. However - yes you can sell to anyone you want just state what that is in the first post. So if you only want people you know/trust then say that. If you only want someone with 50+ feedback then say it. etc.
banned#7
so if you advertise to sell at £80 and the next 3 posts go, £80, £85, £90 then the op when next online has to take the £80 offer, i thought it was "willing" to sell for? In othere words wont sell for less than
[admin]#8
Its not ebay. You state a price you don't start an auction. People should not be doing auction style and yes if they ask £80 and someone offers £80 and fulfills all conditions etc etc and then someone else offers £85 then that's not on.
banned#9
Admin
Its not ebay. You state a price you don't start an auction. People should not be doing auction style and yes if they ask £80 and someone offers £80 and fulfills all conditions etc etc and then someone else offers £85 then that's not on.


ok, maybe this needs to be stipualted somewhere, i was always under the impression you could accept and refuse any offer, even if offer was for asking price
#10
Admin;1475624
I am quite sure the rules are that if an offer is made to the OP that satisfies all conditions then it is considered closed and they can't change it to someone else. However - yes you can sell to anyone you want just state what that is in the first post. So if you only want people you know/trust then say that. If you only want someone with 50+ feedback then say it. etc.

hmm im sure you have said different before.

the example was on the lines of if 2 people offer asking but 1 is a new person and the other you had traded with smoothly before then you have the right to chose..

Untill you accept an offer surely it is open..

apprecieate it shouldnt be turned into a bidding war though so no over asking
banned#11
m00nie
hmm im sure you have said different before.

the example was on the lines of if 2 people offer asking but 1 is a new person and the other you had traded with smoothly before then you have the right to chose..

Untill you accept an offer surely it is open..

apprecieate it shouldnt be turned into a bidding war though so no over asking


It seems you have to state this in the op:?
#12
sassie;1475782
It seems you have to state this in the op:?


yes i read that, hence i said that wasnt the case before.. there is a thread on here where the question was asked before and it was stated then seller could choose
banned#13
m00nie
yes i read that, hence i said that wasnt the case before.. there is a thread on here where the question was asked before and it was stated then seller could choose


loupomm ( i think it was her) asked the question a month or so agao about seeling to who she wished, i cannot find the post, so cannot see the response, i spent an hour looking for it this morning but to no avail. One of the mods should remember it, think it was rayman or edi that responded
#14
there was another before that and admin replied on it
[admin]#15
The situation you quoted there m00nie is different I think. All things equal they should take the first one who completes the offer (i.e. fulfills what they asked). Paying more is breaking that.

I don't remember the loupomm thread off hand but I believe the question was can they stipulate conditions in the OP and the answer is yes.
#16
m00nie
hmm im sure you have said different before.

the example was on the lines of if 2 people offer asking but 1 is a new person and the other you had traded with smoothly before then you have the right to chose..

Untill you accept an offer surely it is open..

apprecieate it shouldnt be turned into a bidding war though so no over asking


I remember the thread as well, the answer was different to the one we are getting here.
1 Like #17
This isn't a thread by loupomm, but it is a thread from a couple months ago, where Admin, you seem to be saying that you can choose who you want to deal with just as long as you haven't accepted a deal from another person first. (i.e. The offer isn't closed until you actually accept it.) Which is slightly different to what you said earlier in this thread. :thinking:
#18
nightswimmer;1475889
This isn't a thread by loupomm, but it is a thread from a couple months ago, where Admin, you seem to be saying that you can choose who you want to deal with just as long as you haven't accepted a deal from another person first. (i.e. The offer isn't closed until you actually accept it.) Which is slightly different to what you said earlier in this thread. :thinking:

yep thats the one i read it from originally. are we saying this is now not the case ? ? ?

pity if it is as to me this way makes more sense as its more safer. as long as your not gazumping (sounds right word ? ) and where possible be polite and take the earliest full offer as long as you feel safe with it..
#19
nightswimmer
This isn't a thread by loupomm, but it is a thread from a couple months ago, where Admin, you seem to be saying that you can choose who you want to deal with just as long as you haven't accepted a deal from another person first. (i.e. The offer isn't closed until you actually accept it.) Which is slightly different to what you said earlier in this thread. :thinking:


m00nie
yep thats the one i read it from originally. are we saying this is now not the case ? ? ?

pity if it is as to me this way makes more sense as its more safer. as long as your not gazumping (sounds right word ? ) and where possible be polite and take the earliest full offer as long as you feel safe with it..


I now know why I remembered it, it was because I posted the 1st reply in it. :oops:

I think the original thread was a much more suitable suggestion.

Rep for finding that thread with the new & *ahem* improved search function.
[admin]#20
What's the difference to my answer there?

There's been another thread on here about this and the answer is yes of course you have the final say on who you sell to. If someone's refs don't check out DO NOT DEAL WITH THEM.

If however, someone offers £20 and you say sure and then someone says £25 and you dump the first because all of a sudden they don't check out then that is going to be shaky ground. So yes check out and decide if you want to deal with someone but once you've accepted an offer and said they check out then don't drop them for someone else with a higher price etc.


In my head that's the same as posted here - so lmk and I'll clarify.
1 Like #21
Just to add (seeing as I just found it, and to prove Sassie has a v.good memory) this is the loupomm thread (post #28).
banned#22
nightswimmer
Just to add (seeing as I just found it, and to prove Sassie has a v.good memory) this is the loupomm thread (post #28).


flippin well done to that person:thumbsup:
[admin]#23
This was my comment in that thread also:

Admin
Yeah of course loupomm. It's not ebay. It's up to you who you want to sell to. (well not based on price discrimination etc). If someone looks dodgy etc then you're under no obligation to sell to them! I would just say in the listing that you're looking for senior members or people who will send money up-front.
#24
Admin
What's the difference to my answer there?

In my head that's the same as posted here - so lmk and I'll clarify.


In this thread you stated that if an offer is made that satisfies the OPs conditions then it [the sale] is considered closed.

In the previous thread you stated that the sale wasn't closed until the OP accepted an offer.

That's a big difference. The first doesn't allow the seller any choice of who to sell to, the second does.
[admin]#25
The context of both previous threads was exactly about that situation and the answer is the same.

1. If you make a post with a price and any conditions and someone says they will pay that and fulfill the conditions then that's "binding".

2. However - if they are dodgy then you aren't obligated to sell to them. That's common sense.

The loupomm thread was asking if you can discriminate in the OP and the answer is of course just make it clear it's a condition (i.e. will only ship first to traders with feedback over 50 otherwise if you have no feedback you need to ship first to me). That would make a condition which is mentioned in (1).

In any and all cases if someone fulfills your conditions then that offer is accepted however that's the point you should then be checking each other out for references. If someone doesn't check out then that can be unaccepted and the trade opened again.
#26
in my eyes you are mixing it a bit there.

in the original thread by sy i read it as if i posted an item for £50 and 3 people offer £50 i have the right to choose which i sell it to not just the first person..

now you seem to be saying you have to either state conditions in your sale or take the first offer of full asking. then if the person seems dodgy you can chose not to deal and offer it the next person..

surely the deal is not binding untill the seller says i accept. so it should be up to the seller to choose whos offer to accept without having to put conditions in the op
[admin]#27
The deal is not binding until the seller accepts. Let's not confuse what is 'binding' from what is the rules we have put in to prevent confusion or fights in the fs/ft forum.

The acceptable way to decide who gets an item when more than one offer has been made of the OP is to go by chronological order.

You always have to take the first full offer. Putting conditions in the OP only changes what the first full offer would be.

Once an offer is taken then you should check out refs. The whole point of checking out refs is to see if you can make a deal with them. If you can't then you would obviously have to re-open the trade or move on to the next person who made a full offer.
#28
Admin;1476063
The deal is not binding until the seller accepts. Let's not confuse what is 'binding' from what is the rules we have put in to prevent confusion or fights in the fs/ft forum.

The acceptable way to decide who gets an item when more than one offer has been made of the OP is to go by chronological order.

You always have to take the first full offer. Putting conditions in the OP only changes what the first full offer would be.

Once an offer is taken then you should check out refs. The whole point of checking out refs is to see if you can make a deal with them. If you can't then you would obviously have to re-open the trade or move on to the next person who made a full offer.


this seems the bit to have changed. before was lead to believe it was polite to take the first full offer not a rule..

scammers will like this way as people (buyers) will be in a hurry to get the first full offer if something cheap they will cut back on the checks..
[admin]#29
scammers will like this way as people (buyers) will be in a hurry to get the first full offer if something cheap they will cut back on the checks..


??? Can you expand on that?
#30
Can I also say that since the "Change" it is possible to edit the original post without leaving a trace.

Since you also can not quote the OP, it is hard to proove that there is an old condition that someone claims is new.
#31
Admin;1476088
??? Can you expand on that?


if the rule is first to offer asking gets it, all it takes is a scammer to post a cheap sale and peole will be in such a hurry to get the first full offer they will cut back on the checks..

scammer posts a phone for £80 (normally fetches £100 ish)
members dive in to get the deal.. offers going in.. people start sending pms etc ( we all know it shouldnt but does happen) somone offers asking so they dont miss out. scared of the other bidders and the dodgy pm dealing they pay straight away thinking it will mean they cant get gazumped..

i appreciate its down to the members to check out everything first and there crazy if they dont but as stated on the other thread it just dosent happen
banned#32
Oh im going to try out me new eyeshadow, this is one of them threads that just goes round in circles
[admin]#33
Yeah that needs to be fixed thesaint.

Ok I get what you're saying m00nie but I am saying that the order you go through offers (first full offer gets first) is different then checking out the trader. So if you rush in an put in an offer you still have time to check that person out fully. And in the same way the OP should accept the first full offer but they should also then check out that trader to see if they go ahead.
banned#34
Admin
Yeah that needs to be fixed thesaint.

Ok I get what you're saying m00nie but I am saying that the order you go through offers (first full offer gets first) is different then checking out the trader. So if you rush in an put in an offer you still have time to check that person out fully. And in the same way the OP should accept the first full offer but they should also then check out that trader to see if they go ahead.


But until its made a rule of usage of the forum, some will still pick and choose! From what you have said here, they can refuse and chose to sell to anyone. eg Offer number 2 is from a known person and newbie winner becomes a loser. The only way to make it work is if the forum is strictlt moderated - but have a distint feeling that isnt going to happen! maybe you could appoint a mod or two specifically to monitor?
[admin]#35
Which part isn't a rule of usage? The ability to refuse to sell to a dodgy trader?

Edit: Do you mean the choice of who to sell to should be moderated?
banned#36
Admin
Which part isn't a rule of usage? The ability to refuse to sell to a dodgy trader?


I never said that. I said the seller being able to chose someone down the pecking order because the "winner" was a newbie. Or to be pedantic, are you saying newbies are dodgy?:p

Edit: Do you mean the choice of who to sell to should be moderated?


No, I mean monitor in general - and more so than currently. Sellers should include full details of the item (ie nothing should be left out - like the guy flogging the C2D CPU who "only bought it 2 days ago" - but then transpires he bought it secondhand. That was very iffy IMHO. They should include details age, condition, warrenty if applicable and approx location if collection is possible and ALWAYS include postal charges if relevant. If thats all out in the open, then buyers can come in with their offers. If they offer the full asking price, then unless there is a very good reason for not doing so, the sale is done and dusted. Anyone failing to comply gets a FS forum ban for a set period. As mentioned - like they do on AVF. I would have no problems buying gear on there. Its managed properly and its strict. Its rare for problems to happen, but there is a trading despute forum for followups.

I can understand if it sounds like too much hard work - but its the only real way and will avoid many of the problems that are seen. It is a minefield, I wont argue!
banned#37
again make the thingy ma bob strict, all fields filled in or the post wont post, make sure those that break the rules are rmoved from the boards, sellers that do everything have nothing to fear, those that dont do, easy peasy lemon sneezy

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