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#1
osa
Surly if someone doesn't like a deal he can just not vote for it?
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Voting is not based on whether you like a deal or not.. It should be a true reflection of how 'good' the deal is :)
#2
yes but this was not my question.
If you like the deal vote for it, if you don't like it. move on.
#3
But what if it seriously a bad deal - say someone posts without having done a price comparison? Registering a cold vote lets people know that it is cheaper elsewhere... by prompting them to read the thread for example.
#4
I see, well, you could add a 'not best price' or something like that near the 'expired' 'spam' votes. This way it has meaning. If people vote cold and don't comment, we can't know what's the problem can we ?

Sometimes I see deals with -20 and no comments and I don't have a clue what's the problem. Maybe it's a s**t product and someone doesn't need it, but for me it's important.
#5
If I see something getting cold with no comments, I usually ask why. It is nice to know :)
[admin]#6
The cold vote also allows you to vote down a temp if you think it's too high.
banned#7
emmajk42
But what if it seriously a bad deal - say someone posts without having done a price comparison? Registering a cold vote lets people know that it is cheaper elsewhere... by prompting them to read the thread for example.

Trouble with that is most people who cold vote dont leave a reason why and most of the time when they do its for other reasons like its a **** film or **** book etc, etc
#8
Well a solution would be to have radio buttons with a few reasons which a user would have to select to vote cold...
#9
Admin
The cold vote also allows you to vote down a temp if you think it's too high.


Too high?, why should it be too high? too high compared to what?
#10
osa
Too high?, why should it be too high? too high compared to what?


I often vote deals cold that I think are 'too hot' - for example people post about sales that are starting in a few days etc and everyone votes em super hot, I save my vote til the sale starts and if it's ****/average I vote cold to try bring the temp down so people don't waste their time looking.
#11
I think it's all very confusing, As the last example here by Starlet,
who knows what the reasons are?, It makes the whole rating system less coherent to users.
#12
I vote this thread cold :-D
#13
osa
I see, well, you could add a 'not best price' or something like that near the 'expired' 'spam' votes. This way it has meaning. If people vote cold and don't comment, we can't know what's the problem can we ?

Sometimes I see deals with -20 and no comments and I don't have a clue what's the problem. Maybe it's a s**t product and someone doesn't need it, but for me it's important.

you cant reinvent the wheel same wtih hotukdeals the site is perfect
#14
At the end of the day if u didnt have the cold vote thered be nothing to moan about.......................
#15
yes. It's perfect in every other way, sure.
you guys rock.
#16
Starlet
I often vote deals cold that I think are 'too hot' - for example people post about sales that are starting in a few days etc and everyone votes em super hot, I save my vote til the sale starts and if it's ****/average I vote cold to try bring the temp down so people don't waste their time looking.

That's my main usage as well. But sometimes theres nowt that you can do, gamestation sale was a classic in getting stupidly hot for nothing:roll:
#17
Gotta admit I dont often use the cold vote (I just dont vote on deals I dont think are hot...) Unless it is really a really really poor offer..... But know I think its great... Keep it there...
#18
I'm on the "no to cold" side as OSA has been saying it does not work, if some one posts a **** deal i.e. not cheap or spam then a void option for the deal would work much better. After all you have to be signed in to vote so it would only take a couple of SECONDS to type, it's cheaper at X.

If you go to the effort of posting a decent deal and end up with loads of cold voted it just makes you think sod it and not bother posting anymore.

Think of the new guys, first time posters etc, they put up a half decent deal and get frozen they won't bother posting anymore.
banned#19
chromosome17
I'm on the "no to cold" side as OSA has been saying it does not work, if some one posts a **** deal i.e. not cheap or spam then a void option for the deal would work much better. After all you have to be signed in to vote so it would only take a couple of SECONDS to type, it's cheaper at X.

If you go to the effort of posting a decent deal and end up with loads of cold voted it just makes you think sod it and not bother posting anymore.

Think of the new guys, first time posters etc, they put up a half decent deal and get frozen they won't bother posting anymore.

Totally agree :thumbsup:
#20
Without evil good cannot survive. Always there must be balance yes...
#21
Good will always triumph over evil...... (As long as its a good deal)
#22
chromosome17
I'm on the "no to cold" side as OSA has been saying it does not work, if some one posts a **** deal i.e. not cheap or spam then a void option for the deal would work much better. After all you have to be signed in to vote so it would only take a couple of SECONDS to type, it's cheaper at X.

If you go to the effort of posting a decent deal and end up with loads of cold voted it just makes you think sod it and not bother posting anymore.

Think of the new guys, first time posters etc, they put up a half decent deal and get frozen they won't bother posting anymore.


That doesn't happen though, something might get voted cold initially by the 'serial cold voters' - but if it's actually an ok deal the regulars will come along sooner or later and 'correct' the temp.
banned#23
osa
I see, well, you could add a 'not best price' or something like that near the 'expired' 'spam' votes. This way it has meaning. If people vote cold and don't comment, we can't know what's the problem can we ?

Sometimes I see deals with -20 and no comments and I don't have a clue what's the problem. Maybe it's a s**t product and someone doesn't need it, but for me it's important.


By the same argument. Why be able to vote things hot?

Hot, Warm and Cold - sounds resonable to me.
banned#24
chromosome17
I'm on the "no to cold" side as OSA has been saying it does not work, if some one posts a **** deal i.e. not cheap or spam then a void option for the deal would work much better. After all you have to be signed in to vote so it would only take a couple of SECONDS to type, it's cheaper at X.

If you go to the effort of posting a decent deal and end up with loads of cold voted it just makes you think sod it and not bother posting anymore.

Think of the new guys, first time posters etc, they put up a half decent deal and get frozen they won't bother posting anymore.


On the contrary. It would get most to look for a really good deal next time to get that "Hot" vote if its important to them.

People can flood the forum with dozens of so called good deals - but it doesnt necessarily make it a good deal. Could be a normal or worse price than people can get. By the same token, Ive only posted half a dozen or so deals - but they have all got good votes and made "front page status".

The forum is for HOT deals after all - which is the whole point. People shouldnt take a cold vote as a personal criticism. It never (well almost!) is personal - just peoples opinions on what is hot and what is not.
#25
That's not entirely true,
Many people use the cold vote to have their say on the specific product / movie / game and not the deal.
#26
osa
That's not entirely true,
Many people use the cold vote to have their say on the specific product / movie / game and not the deal.

Don't forget on the specific company as well lol.
#27
Its for people that dont like the deal.
[mod]#28
A bit off-topic but not worth a new thread as it's sort of linked.

I'd like to see temperature removed on in-store deals (other than the usual supermarket ones or if it's advertised in the national press or on their website) as most of the time the price someone is posting turns out to be specific to their store and not in general.

I find that the temperature is sky high and then there are countless posts of people saying not in my store etc..... Which then means it's completely misleading for the people that are the front page deal hunters only or those that don't bother to read through the thread.
#29
i think leaving a comment should be compulsory when voting cold
#30
sarbjeet_
i think leaving a comment should be compulsory when voting cold


I think selecting from a pre-defined list of options whould be good...
banned#31
duckmagicuk2
I think selecting from a pre-defined list of options whould be good...

yeah good idea :idea:
[mod]#32
It makes you wonder why some people post deals though. Is it to try and see how hot they can get it to feel good and also see if they can get rep from it.

I post a deal and if someone finds it useful then great. I couldn't care less if it's 200 degrees or -200 degrees. It's not important, the main thing is posting something that someone in the community may find helpful.

I always state why i vote cold unless it's already been mentioned. But if it gets to the stage that you have to explain your every button click then the Hot Deals section is not something i'll contribute too any longer.
banned#33
duckmagicuk2
I think selecting from a pre-defined list of options whould be good...

maybe an optional one would be good, may encourage more people to say why they voted cold, i agree with sy aswell :thumbsup:
#34
Syzable
I always state why i vote cold unless it's already been mentioned. But if it gets to the stage that you have to explain your every button click then the Hot Deals section is not something i'll contribute too any longer.


Yup, I'd agree!

I normally explain a cold vote, But I wouldn't want to be forced to choose an option, I just wouldn't bother to vote cold at all.

I normally vote cold if its :

A) Self promotion or a scammer, Vote cold for quickness to put any people off clicking the "go to deal" button, Then report it.

B) Its just such a rubbish deal its shocking its ever being posted!

C) Someone repeatedly asks for you to vote hot or give rep, I like to make my own mind up, People vote hot if they think its a good deal or give rep because its a good post/deal, Not because you've asked to. :roll:
#35
I'd add to IOMs that I sometimes vote cold without stating a specific reason if I consider a deal too hot - for example, did so tonight on a front-page supermarket item (not specifically on the grounds that its a bad deal, but the item had been at the stated price for a number of weeks and its fairly generic item).

Without the cold vote popular items (which would presumably be the generic items than everyone needs) will become the 'hottest' although not necessarily the hottest deals. For example, I could post 'Tea bags @ half price, 50p' which would likely get more hot votes than say 'Fox Mountain Bike Forks @ half price, £200' even if the latter would be a much 'hotter' deal...

Don't get me wrong, I love tea, and would probably buy the teabags if I went to said supermarket, but you can pretty much guarantee that at any one time one of the supermarkets will have a pack of tea for half price etc...
[mod]#36
Perfect example of temperature bar abuse http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91111

I bet most of the cold votes are because of who people support and not the price.
#37
Yeah, and I'm sure that abuse wouldn't happen if we had some kind of little box which opened on the page when you clicked on cold which said:

"Why are you voting cold? Please select:

* Cheaper price elsewhere.
* Duplicate deal.
* Spam.
* I don't like the product.
* Other: Please provide reason.

VOTE COLD"


It wouldn't have to go onto the thread, but maybe could be visible to moderators. If people selected the "I don't like the product" then it could just not register their vote and if they selected another and it wasn't correct then maybe the mods could cancel the vote.

Just one idea anyway.

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