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#1
Name and shame.
banned#2
Sassie,

I'm of the opinion any user's found using another alias should be named and shamed as a preventative measure for the honest users here.

I for one, wouldn't be happy trading with an individual who may have been disguised as another user and potentially taking pot shots.

I can understand the policy of not naming the original alias if the member is banned and has no right of reply, but where only a suspension occurs (if at all), then I think the name and shame approach should be taken if HUKD wants to retain integrity.
banned#3
aScottishBloke
Sassie,

I'm of the opinion any user's found using another alias should be named and shamed as a preventative measure for the honest users here.

I for one, wouldn't be happy trading with an individual who may have been disguised as another user and potentially taking pot shots.

I can understand the policy of not naming the original alias if the member is banned and has no right of reply, but where only a suspension occurs (if at all), then I think the name and shame approach should be taken if HUKD wants to retain integrity.


I agree

Im not saying all, but most alias get a ban, whilst their originol gets a suspension, and comes back and noone is any the wiser
#4
FAO admin, locked this misc thread, and requested that if site issues were to be discussed, to do so in feedback forum.
banned#5
emmajk42
FAO admin, locked this misc thread, and requested that if site issues were to be discussed, to do so in feedback forum.


emma i understand maybe why you locked that thread, but this thread is not about any specific member
banned#6
I think that is just a note from Emma to show Admin why this post should remain, and comment if appropriate. :)
#7
emasu
Name and shame.


I was going to say before the last thread got locked, typical.. that the problem with a supposed alias is that admin or webmaster can only make this decision based on IP and Mac addresses.

It cannot be determined weather or not any supposed alias is or is not just another user in the same house or dorm or just a friend logging onto another friends PC. So naming and shaming something that cannot be appropriatly proved above the fact that they used the same house or PC would create mayhem.

I use next doors internet from his wireless router a lot, as he has a faster net connection than me, whats to say he is not a user here on the site? so he and i get named and shamed simply as we use the same connection and share the same views.. nice one!

I really do get your point sassie, trust me i do, and i welcome the idea of a banned list so us as users know who to deal with and not to deal with.

Hey, if it went down to users that share the same views, thesaint and aScotishBloke would have been banned ages ago! Dont go using the same network to access this site guys or you probably will the way this is going..
banned#8
aScottishBloke
I think that is just a note from Emma to show Admin why this post should remain, and comment if appropriate. :)


whhops yes, sorry not quite with it:oops:
banned#9
DudeyGeeza,

The right of reply would always remain to the member who is accused of using more than 1 alias.

Lets take a specific example, I thought the banned member 'thesinner' was well out of order and showed all the characteristics of being a suspended/banned member with a particular grievance at being challenged by members who respect the rules and integrity of HUKD. Imagine for 1 moment that you were thesinner then I unknowingly completed a trade with you as DudeyGeeza. I'd be very upset to say the least, knowing this could easily have been prevented.

Can you see where I'm coming from ?
banned#10
aScottishBloke
DudeyGeeza,

The right of reply would always remain to the member who is accused of using more than 1 alias.

Lets take a specific example, I thought the banned member 'thesinner' was well out of order and showed all the characteristics of being a suspended/banned member with a particular grievance at being challenged by members who respect the rules and integrity of HUKD. Imagine for 1 moment that you were thesinner then I unknowingly completed a trade with you as DudeyGeeza. I'd be very upset to say the least, knowing this could easily have been prevented.

Can you see where I'm coming from ?


exactly my point/, totally unfair :thumbsup:
banned#11
ibullen9
Why is there an issue with alias here? I understand maybe if your trading with yourself or something to get higher feedback but what other reason is there to have more than one account here?

Just to note, i use public hotspots such as the cloud and often my universities connection to check here 'for erm... academic research.... yes that's right.. but no doubt someone there also uses this site as there are more than 10,000 users using that range of IP addresses.. so it would be unfair to ban based on IP solely


they dont ban on IP alone, like i said there are many other things that give away an alias
#12
ibullen9
Why is there an issue with alias here? I understand maybe if your trading with yourself or something to get higher feedback but what other reason is there to have more than one account here?

Just to note, i use public hotspots such as the cloud and often my universities connection to check here 'for erm... academic research.... yes that's right.. but no doubt someone there also uses this site as there are more than 10,000 users using that range of IP addresses.. so it would be unfair to ban based on IP solely


We mere students don't count... my housemate got banned... in theory we are only allowed 1 to sign up out of the 6 of us.
#13
aScottishBloke
DudeyGeeza,

The right of reply would always remain to the member who is accused of using more than 1 alias.

Lets take a specific example, I thought the banned member 'thesinner' was well out of order and showed all the characteristics of being a suspended/banned member with a particular grievance at being challenged by members who respect the rules and integrity of HUKD. Imagine for 1 moment that you were thesinner then I unknowingly completed a trade with you as DudeyGeeza. I'd be very upset to say the least, knowing this could easily have been prevented.

Can you see where I'm coming from ?


without a doubt i can see where you are coming from dude,

Trouble is that no it is not guess work, but there is no 100% of knowing if it is an alias or just another user. plus all network ip's dns and mac addresses are open to abuse a lot more than you would think.

Also, after what you said earlier in my thread, i looked around, and to be honnest, I cannot actually see where "thesinner" lol, has been out of order, either directly to any forum member or to HotukDeals staff. Some points are a little strong, i can see that but nothing that warrants a head hunting from other users including yourself and the saint suggesting that that member was actually me!!

I find that utterly out of order!

I too share the same views as you. I can catagorically state that "thesinner" lol thats so cool, was not me!
#14
donbreach
We mere students don't count... my housemate got banned... in theory we are only allowed 1 to sign up out of the 6 of us.


jeez dude, stop aggreeing with me, your gonna get us both banned!

New rule - No two users are allowed to share the same opinion, let alone talk about it here on HotUKDeals!

hehehehehe
#15
DudeyGeeza;2031456
jeez dude, stop aggreeing with me, your gonna get us both banned!

New rule - No two users are allowed to share the same opinion, let alone talk about it here on HotUKDeals!

hehehehehe


I agree :p
banned#16
donbreach
We mere students don't count... my housemate got banned... in theory we are only allowed 1 to sign up out of the 6 of us.


you housemate got banned after immediately signing up after your ban, and started posting, so come on you cant say that doesnt look suss
#17
sassie
you housemate got banned after immediately signing up after your ban, and started posting, so come on you cant say that doesnt look suss


suss or not, maybe as he got banned, he suggested for his m8 to go on the site and express their views which in tern made everyone "think" they were one and the same person.
banned#18
DudeyGeeza
suss or not, maybe as he got banned, he suggested for his m8 to go on the site and express their views which in tern made everyone "think" they were one and the same person.


he signed up immediately after, therfore mate or no mate he only signed up to speak as don
#19
sassie
you housemate got banned after immediately signing up after your ban, and started posting, so come on you cant say that doesnt look suss


That was never argued... we both agreed. I took payment from another member... I still stand by decision in getting my housemate to sign up to assure the person I sold too and get their address. (considering it was a week long ban) Do you not think it was the right thing to do?
#20
sassie
he signed up immediately after, therfore mate or no mate he only signed up to speak as don


If somebody took your money and then got banned... without mods telling you why etc. Would u not be greatful that the seller went thru the extra hassle to contact u?
#21
sassie
he signed up immediately after, therfore mate or no mate he only signed up to speak as don


speak as don or for don it doesnt matter as long as they were different people, anyone is welcome to sign up here and express their views on what ever subject they like, friend of a member on here or not. Maybe they felt the need after don was banned to get on and say somthing to the masses! lol

I dont know dons specific case so please dont quote me, i could be well wrong but my point is valid
banned#22
had you both followed all rules then there would have been no need, you could have contacted him by phone
banned#23
DudeyGeeza
speak as don or for don it doesnt matter as long as they were different people, anyone is welcome to sign up here and express their views on what ever subject they like, friend of a member on here or not. Maybe they felt the need after don was banned to get on and say somthing to the masses! lol

I dont know dons specific case so please dont quote me, i could be well wrong but my point is valid


so shall we allow all members to have alais to do as they wish then? this thread is to discuss, so lets discuss a better option. There is never going to be a 100% way os knowing an alias, never no matter what you do, so any other ideas i would be intersted in hearing and discussing
banned#24
DudeyGeeza
without a doubt i can see where you are coming from dude,

Trouble is that no it is not guess work, but there is no 100% of knowing if it is an alias or just another user. plus all network ip's dns and mac addresses are open to abuse a lot more than you would think.

Also, after what you said earlier in my thread, i looked around, and to be honnest, I cannot actually see where "thesinner" lol, has been out of order, either directly to any forum member or to HotukDeals staff. Some points are a little strong, i can see that but nothing that warrants a head hunting from other users including yourself and the saint suggesting that that member was actually me!!

I find that utterly out of order!

I too share the same views as you. I can catagorically state that "thesinner" lol thats so cool, was not me!


DudeyGeeza,

Your last sentence is a little warped. You share the same views as thesinner who signed up immediately after your suspension, to continue a rant against HUKD users who had the audacity to question the contempt you had for the house rules. It's all a little weird, but hey, I see your comments on your return from suspension and that looks more like a welcome user.

For the record, are you publicly stating that you were not thesinner and have no links to this banned member whatsoever ?

:thumbsup:
#25
DudeyGeeza;2031522
anyone is welcome to sign up here and express their views on what ever subject they like


That quite simply isn't true, never has been and never will be.
#26
sassie
so shall we allow all members to have alais to do as they wish then? this thread is to discuss, so lets discuss a better option. There is never going to be a 100% way os knowing an alias, never no matter what you do, so any other ideas i would be intersted in hearing and discussing


no we shouldnt allow any member to have an alias, but it is a grey area, mods dish out bans yes but based what they deem as an alias from the information they have got to go on.

just a question:

You see all of the mods spouting about 100,000 registered users, how many of them do you think are individual people not including alias's? I dont know but i wouldnt be naieve enough to think that all of the 100,000 users are different people.
#27
sassie
had you both followed all rules then there would have been no need, you could have contacted him by phone


Look it's rather simple...
I was selling A... B... and C
I had 2 of C... 1 on here and 1 on ebay...
So I got a day ban... I tried explaining but ok no problem ban done.

I then came on the next day, publicly apologised and listed A and B... not C
as the rules state you cannot relist items that have caused an infraction within a week. I posted to check it was ok, but no response... So listed A & B, with a note in the thread saying I have taken C out to avoid any problems.

Somebody buys A, pms swapped, pays whilst I am banned for a week... why do I have to talk to ppl from here on the phone and explain why I was banned... I chose to get someone to sign up and sort it out 4 me.
I have no problems with the my mate getting banned or my 2 bans myself... but when I apologise and ask questions to mods, get ignored and banned with no response... that's when I think it is a bit harsh.
banned#28
DudeyGeeza
no we shouldnt allow any member to have an alias, but it is a grey area, mods dish out bans yes but based what they deem as an alias from the information they have got to go on.

just a question:

You see all of the mods spouting about 100,000 registered users, how many of them do you think are individual people not including alias's? I dont know but i wouldnt be naieve enough to think that all of the 100,000 users are different people.


i have no idea, hw many have alias, and agree its a grey area, but as it is a grey area then the team can only go on what they think, like i said they cannot know 100% unless the member admits it, which no-one is going to do
#29
only thing I spose is that nothing is full/fool proof, mods/admin have to go on their gut instinct and as much investigation as they can when they feel someone is abusing the system but ultimately no matter how it is managed people can find a way in. If people wanna do dodgy things they will find a way. Only idea I can think that might be a deterrent is say a membership type fee, say £20ish, could go to charity or whatever but people that were out to make a buck would lose £20ish every time they had to create a new alias. Not sure if it would be logistically possible tho??
#30
aScottishBloke
DudeyGeeza,

Your last sentence is a little warped. You share the same views as thesinner who signed up immediately after your suspension, to continue a rant against HUKD users who had the audacity to question the contempt you had for the house rules. It's all a little weird, but hey, I see your comments on your return from suspension and that looks more like a welcome user.

For the record, are you publicly stating that you were not thesinner and have no links to this banned member whatsoever ?

:thumbsup:


I can definatly say that "thesinner" was not me in disguise! What other users do to state their own opinion is up to them, I remember also saying to you earlier that you should be looking for other users that have been banned or suspended as even admin has stated that all alias's will be perma banned, and the original user will get a minimum of a suspension, Now im not suspended or banned am i??
banned#31
don, why you have to deal with people by hone was because you where banned, i do remember it and it was pretty suss, and yes i do understand in one way why you did it and like i said there is no way of the team knowing 100% so what do you suggest happens, alais are aloowed for whatever reasons?
banned#32
sassie
had you both followed all rules then there would have been no need, you could have contacted him by phone


The best repsonse yet :thumbsup:

I'm fed up hearing justifications when all could have been avoided by following the FS/FT rules. This also applies to members who state frustration, asking for assistance in failed trades, yet don't bother their backside to follow the guidelines, but expect members to help.
#33
sassie
don, why you have to deal with people by hone was because you where banned, i do remember it and it was pretty suss, and yes i do understand in one way why you did it and like i said there is no way of the team knowing 100% so what do you suggest happens, alais are aloowed for whatever reasons?


That wasn't the beef... my problem was the way mods treated me and my buyer... when I had my thread locked I pm'd the mod, apologised said it won't happen again, didn't know but now I do type thing. BUT BAN!
#34
aScottishBloke
The best repsonse yet :thumbsup:

I'm fed up hearing justifications when all could have been avoided by following the FS/FT rules. This also applies to members who state frustration, asking for assistance in failed trades, yet don't bother their backside to follow the guidelines, but expect members to help.


Who reads every single rule... every single terms of conditions... all the small print? I doubt very much that you have read every single rule and t&c on every site you have signed up2 etc.

If you contact a mod, and try and explain u get ignored... would it not make sense to let them off this time (since they have apologised and learnt their lesson)... if they break the rule again, give an even bigger ban than they wudda got in the first place.
banned#35
donbreach
That wasn't the beef... my problem was the way mods treated me and my buyer... when I had my thread locked I pm'd the mod, apologised said it won't happen again, didn't know but now I do type thing. BUT BAN!


don like i said i remember it, you appologised and asked to relist, you didnt wait or a response and relisted, then you got banned, this isnt about the ban, this is about whether an alias should be allowed to be unknown and to come an mr/mrs nice guy and nobody any of the wiser
banned#36
DudeyGeeza
I can definatly say that "thesinner" was not me in disguise! What other users do to state their own opinion is up to them, I remember also saying to you earlier that you should be looking for other users that have been banned or suspended as even admin has stated that all alias's will be perma banned, and the original user will get a minimum of a suspension, Now im not suspended or banned am i??


No, nor is Don, if you get my point. Whilst you state thesinner is not you, you failed to clarify if there was any link between you and thesinner.

Duplicate/Linked aliases are not always perma banned, so cannot use that as a justification. Clarify for once and i'll be happy to respect your answer.
#37
DudeyGeeza
I can definatly say that "thesinner" was not me in disguise! What other users do to state their own opinion is up to them, I remember also saying to you earlier that you should be looking for other users that have been banned or suspended as even admin has stated that all alias's will be perma banned, and the original user will get a minimum of a suspension, Now im not suspended or banned am i??


Is it not possible that when DudeyGeeza was banned... someone thought hmmm, u know wot wud be a laugh... sign up now and carry on the rant...
banned#38
donbreach
Who reads every single rule... every single terms of conditions... all the small print? I doubt very much that you have read every single rule and t&c on every site you have signed up2 etc.

If you contact a mod, and try and explain u get ignored... would it not make sense to let them off this time (since they have apologised and learnt their lesson)... if they break the rule again, give an even bigger ban than they wudda got in the first place.


Ignorance of the rules will never be an acceptable reason I'm afraid. Imagine the consequences in all forms of life if this was a valid plea each and every time :thumbsup:
#39
sassie
don like i said i remember it, you appologised and asked to relist, you didnt wait or a response and relisted, then you got banned, this isnt about the ban, this is about whether an alias should be allowed to be unknown and to come an mr/mrs nice guy and nobody any of the wiser


I can't be expected to sit around waiting all day on a mod to answer... some people said it should be ok, so I went with their answer. No1 including urself said NOOOOOOOOOO DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! How long till u got a response from a mod regarding ur previous locked thread? I'm trying to get my name changed on here and having no luck (as my real name)... yet Hu5tler gets his changed to MarzBarz. Can u see the inconsistency that plagues this site.
banned#40
donbreach
Is it not possible that when DudeyGeeza was banned... someone thought hmmm, u know wot wud be a laugh... sign up now and carry on the rant...


donbreach,

Yes, without a doubt, but alas as mere users we're unable to have access to that information. If I was in the same position, I'd only be too happy to clarify, but that's my personal opinion.

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