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Free solar panels worth £12,000 From Isis Solar

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6y, 4m agoFound 6 years, 4 months ago
Took this from MSE - sounds a very interesting deal

Isis Solar is fitting free solar panel systems for homeowners worth over £12,000, slashing leccy bills by £120-ish a year, they will fit them free of charge but as solar power cant be stored any excess leccy made will be pumped back into the grid.

Alternatively,The other option’s to pay for your own solar power system. This way, you grab all the payments for solar energy produced, estimated by the Energy Saving Trust at a brilliant £800 year. This is on top of the bill savings.

The Government’s promised the scheme will last for 25 years, so that’s a decent £23,000 return. This works out cheaper if you want the solar panels for more than ten years, though, of course, you need to stump up a typical cost of £12,500. Jump to Get paid to generate solar power for more.

Free scheme is currently only available to those who live south of Oxford.
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#1
Could you tell how to register for getting them installed
I am considering to get them from ISIS but can't get through
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#2
Have registered my details will wait and see if I hear from them
#3
Dear Bursiene
:|how did you register your details..i can't open the link
#4
Sounds good but after the 25 years do you have to start paying again? what about if solar panels areobsolite in that time and you want to replace them, if you've got rid of them will you still have to pay after those years?
#5
So, basically they rent your roof for a tenner a month?
1 Like #6
The basic (non-deal) maths are interesting and easy. Quoted as "worth £12,000" and offering a saving on electricity bills of "£120-ish a year", in normal terms they should pay for themselves within...100 YEARS!

Welcome to the future!
#7
snakeyman
Sounds good but after the 25 years do you have to start paying again? what about if solar panels areobsolite in that time and you want to replace them, if you've got rid of them will you still have to pay after those years?


Maybe you should take a look at the site?

RTFA.
#8
Dose this include flats???.
#9
baalberith
Dose this include flats???.


Only if you tilt the block so that the roof faces south... ;)
#10
100 year payback??? Include NPV in that and these would NEVER save you any money... utterly pointless at this price and at this level of saving.

Obviously ISIS are going to be making the money from when your "excess energy" is sent back to the grid. I'd be careful to read the T&Cs regarding maintainance, insurance (who's responsible) etc before I signed up to this. The could be reaping the reward of the energy, not having to pay you any rent AND sending you the bill for repairs.
#11
I registered about a month ago. And got a letter saying they'd looked on Google earth at my house and it wasn't suitable!

Its a detached house, that's South facing so how they choose........... you decide :{
1 Like #12
Sounds like a big marketing con where nobody will be 'suitable' but free publicity flows. Just look right here, +114° for something you'll never get.
1 Like #13
u will never get your money back on solar power.
#14
Just a thought but the time when the most solar power is generated is not when most power is consumed. You normally get around this by storing the power in batteries and running off these. While a nice idea in theory I suspect that unless you adapt your house to benefit when it is sunny most of the power will go to the grid. Put a velux in and cut out the technology in the middle.
#15
So they apparently 'save' £120 a year, and the government give £800 a year for producing electricity???

Madness, scrap that idea! No wonder the country's in such a state.

Green.... as long as your seen to be doing something then that's ok, never mind the facts.
banned#16
should also take into account the devaluation of your property. Fitted facing the road looks ten times worse than a sat dish and we all know how that affects your house valuation.
banned#17
wewontgetfooleda
u will never get your money back on solar power.

present time, I agree but the future looks promising.
#18
snakeyman
Sounds good but after the 25 years do you have to start paying again? what about if solar panels areobsolite in that time and you want to replace them, if you've got rid of them will you still have to pay after those years?


I too would like to know this... what do they get for giving this to everyone for freee??
1 Like #19
joeymcjoe
100 year payback??? Include NPV in that and these would NEVER save you any money... utterly pointless at this price and at this level of saving.

Obviously ISIS are going to be making the money from when your "excess energy" is sent back to the grid. I'd be careful to read the T&Cs regarding maintainance, insurance (who's responsible) etc before I signed up to this. The could be reaping the reward of the energy, not having to pay you any rent AND sending you the bill for repairs.


You obviously didnt read the site, they're fitting them for free, meaning they keep the profits from selling the excess energy and you get the £120 savings. Alternatively, you can buy the £12000 solar panel and get the £120 savings plus £800 a year from selling your excess energy. Meaning it repays in roughly 10-12 years.
1 Like #20
Silverbullet767
So they apparently 'save' £120 a year, and the government give £800 a year for producing electricity???

Madness, scrap that idea! No wonder the country's in such a state.

Green.... as long as your seen to be doing something then that's ok, never mind the facts.


Maybe were in such a state due to the education system not teaching people to read :)

They save the average house holder £120 a year on there electricity bills, as these only work when its sunny.. so any time it isnt, it isnt providing any electricity to you. They actually create alot more electricity than you could use though when they are working and Isis solar gets £800 from the goverment for selling that electricity to the national grid.

Thats not a brand new scheme, Thats how much the excess electricity is worth, the goverment isnt randomly giving out £800.. they're paying for the electricity. If you didnt provide it, they'd have to provide it through some other means. The more people who take up this scheme, the less power they need from powerstations.

Its green due to it being green electricity, all the figures are correct and its profitable for the end user while remaining the same costs to everyone else.
#21
Presumably during this 25 year deal you would be unable to install solar panels of your own as all the best locations on your roof were already taken. You couldn't even add solar hot water, for the same reason.
Plus, what's the deal if / when you move house - the new owner has to take this arrangement on.
As it is, it's widely considered that solar electric in the UK is a bust - there's just not enough sunlight to make it economic with today's technology. You might just be able to justify solar how water put this sounds like a particularly inflexible scheme and I wouldn't be surprised if the suppliers went bankrupt at any time before 2035.
#22
From what I can see, "ISIS solar will install, operate and maintain" the panels, the house owner gets to use as much of the free electricity as can be used, the excess gets fed back to the grid, and ISIS get paid for the excess. The excess in the summer (and daytimes) will be more, hence ISIS get paid for these periods, presumably thats how they make a 'profit'. But the house owner profits from not having to install panels and gets some benefit of free elec.

If you own the panels, you would get the excess payments for the daytimes and summer, when most of us use less elec, because it gets offset against your elec bill.. That is what balances out your payments for the year and gives you a bigger benefit. But the install costs a few £thousands, so thats the benefit with this scheme, save on the install but get less of a benefit. I believe that the cost of the panels doesn't cover the benefits over 10-15 years, so the benefit is more green then cash. imo.

Del sounds quite good to me. Zero outlay but some limited benefit. So I think it's a good deal if you want solar panels.

25 years from install the panel will have pretty much stopped working, so there is a removal cost, or just leave them on the roof. ISIS will no longer own the panels, so if they still work great.

Silverbullet767
Green.... as long as your seen to be doing something then that's ok, never mind the facts.

I totally agree with you.

Also: these two have been arguing for and against solar for a while now, not sure who I believe, but it's clear that it's not clear...

Monbiot:Solar PV has failed in Germany and it will fail in the UK
Legget
1 Like #23
vinylandtrinkets
before you all go and sign up for this, My cousin has solar panels on her roof via her housing association , they told her that when winter come her boiler wont work properly as its not compatible with the panels, well to cut a very long story short she turned on her heating as we're have a rubbish summer and POOF the boiling stopped working, the panels burn out the motors on the water pump going to the boiler, so now shes still waiting for a new boiler 3 weeks after it went poof. so check if your boiler is compatible with the panels i now mine isnt and mine is only 8 months old!


How could this affect your boiler? Assume it is gas? The electricity from a solar panel isn't going to be wired straight to the boiler is it? Electricity is electricity, it doesn't matter what produces it.
Sounds like utter twaddle to me.
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#24
the money isis get back from the excess energy created over 25 years is far more than the £12000 worth of free solar panels.
if you sell your house before 25 years you have to pay money back to isis on a pro rata basis.
the systems is only meant to work effectively for a maximum of 25 years.
please beware you don't ever get something for nothing
#25
solar panels are a load of crap, especially in the UK. They just don't produce enough electricity to be useful to the national grid.

Sure they can be useful for say powering a remote automated weather monitoring station but their efficient rating is so low, especially after you convert from DC to AC that its just never going to be beneficial.

Some other solar projects have promise, like using mirrors to redirect sun light to heat water to turn a turbine. But solar panels for your house are a complete waste of money.
#26
nothing better than having freedom of your energy and sell yourself...
suspended#27
So what about if you use 100% of the energy produced from the panels? Then this company would get nothing? Apart from the government money?
#28
I think there are better ways to save £120 a year. Anyway if they pay you £120 in year 20 for example, it would probably cover the cost of a basket of food at Tesco with inflation. Super Cold
#29
I read about this from a email I recieved , the panels once fitted have to stay on the house for 25 years .They also have to be looked after and serviced by the Isis :[taken from the small print ]

Can I get rid of the panels?

No. You must keep them on for 25 years and let Isis come and maintain them. There is no option to buy the company out. But after the 25 years the panels are yours to keep or ditch.

I suppose Isis will charge for this ...................and if you sell your house , what if the prospective buyers dont want to take this charge on ..........

What if I want to sell my home?

The new homeowner will have to take on the arrangement, as there is no way to get out of it. Hopefully potential buyers will be pleased about the electricity savings.

I'm in favour of this sort of thing , anything to save money in the long term ,but I dont want to be tied into a 25 year agreement.
#30
I don't know how this could work, I can agree of generating the power and feed it back onto the grid but we are talking about a complicated process here where the AC current produced need to be sync with the grid. Doing this on house to house basis is definitely expensive and assuming they are feeding the electricity directly on the grid, which I doubt the solar panel can generate enough energy for you to use something like an electric kettle or a combination of a few high current drain appliances.
On the practical side, for sure you don't get any solar power in the evening, which means you are going to spend your own money paying for the elcetricity at night time and assuming most people are at work until late afternoon, you don't actually get much benefit unless if you have someone in the house most of the time. I can agree we all have fridges that run continuously and spending most of the weekends at home but if this is the only saving I'm having, I guess I wouldn't be rushing to get this.
#31
There's no such thing as a free lunch. I'll wait for the people who sign up to come back online to vent when it all goes wrong.
1 Like #32
The reason why there are these kind of schemes popping up us becuase of the change in legislation and the massive subsidies avail for people who generate their own power. New systems installed can generate upto 41 pence per unit for whats generated. Companies are offering these panels becuase they will require you to sign an agreement to pass over these monies as the panels will be theirs but you will still benefit from not drawing off the grid.

If you have the money yourself and live in a favourable location you could be making a nice little earner as these feed-in tariffs are applicable for the 1st 25 years (in the case of PVs).

Link to npower solar

Thanks

Richard

Edited By: cottontop74 on Aug 04, 2010 19:46: wrong link
#33
It appears to be a bigger commitment that I first thought. I've asked for a quote though. First home, I am looking to save as much money as I can anyway and every way.
#34
wewontgetfooleda
u will never get your money back on solar power.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6616651.stm
#35
jamesdew
solar panels are a load of crap, especially in the UK. They just don't produce enough electricity to be useful to the national grid.

Sure they can be useful for say powering a remote automated weather monitoring station but their efficient rating is so low, especially after you convert from DC to AC that its just never going to be beneficial.

Some other solar projects have promise, like using mirrors to redirect sun light to heat water to turn a turbine. But solar panels for your house are a complete waste of money.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6616651.stm
#36
why dont people read the isis link info before commenting - sigh
#37
The government introduced a new policy in April 2010 called the FIT tariff or Feed In Tariff. Basically for every kw/h of electricity generated by an MCS approved Solar PV retrofit system you will be paid 41.3 pence tax free. This is also index linked to inflation for 25 years and backed/guaranteed by the government. So regardless of whether you use the electricity or not you still get 41.3 pence. On top of this most electric companies also assume you use half and sell half back so you get another 3p per kw/h for 50% of your systems generated power.

This is not funded by the government but by every household, as 6% of your the price for each kw/h of electricity everyone pays for goes towards the FIT tariff.

There are several companies now starting up that will install Solar PV systems on suitable roofs at there cost so that they can claim the FIT tariff for 25 years. The business return on this is guaranteed and gives the company a better return than most investments and is risk free. The panels installed have to be MCs approved which means they are guaranteed to output at least 80% of there rated power for 25 years. Solar PV has no moving parts so is ultra reliable and PV panels from over 40 years ago are still generating electricity today.

Contrary to believe Solar PV is viable in the UK now that the FIT tariff is in place. If you had a 4kw /h system installed then you will most likely be generating over 3000kw/h units per year. That would equate to approx £1300 a year tax free. On top of this you also get to use any of this electric for free which in turn will reduce your electricity bill. So in most cases the system pays for itself in 10 to 12 years and the tariff is fixed and indexed linked for 25 years. Basic maths shows you get a massive return which is why companies are willing to install these systems for free in return for the fit tariff. Also bear in mind that the solar PV panels will most likely produce electricity far beyond the 25 year guarantee.

If you have money sat in a building society getting you 2% interest and you have a south/southwest or southeast facing roof then it would be worth your while looking at buying your own MCS approved Solar PV system as your return is going to be much higher over a 25 year period than leaving it in an account. Even if you move house you have the choice of taking the FIT tariff with you or selling the solar PV system to the new owners and they then get the FIT tariff for the remaining years.

The only drawback I can see buying your own with solar PV is the quality of installation and quality of inverter. The inverter is the single most costly item in a PV system, getting a good quality inverter is paramount along with a good installation.

So if you don't have the considerable amount of cash required to pay for a solar PV install then these companies offering free systems are a good idea. If you have a 2kw/h system supplied you will reduce your electricity bill by approx £100 to £150 a year depending on how much electric you use during the day. But thinking ahead imagine how much electricity will be going up over the next 25 years. Each year your savings will increase and at the same time your doing your bit to reduce your carbon dioxide output.
#38
PV system adds an average 8.6% to the value of a domestic property
#39
wthat is the diffrenc they selling for £12000 and B&Q selling for £3000
banned#40
Crompee
joeymcjoe
100 year payback??? Include NPV in that and these would NEVER save you any money... utterly pointless at this price and at this level of saving.

Obviously ISIS are going to be making the money from when your "excess energy" is sent back to the grid. I'd be careful to read the T&Cs regarding maintainance, insurance (who's responsible) etc before I signed up to this. The could be reaping the reward of the energy, not having to pay you any rent AND sending you the bill for repairs.

You obviously didnt read the site, they're fitting them for free, meaning they keep the profits from selling the excess energy and you get the £120 savings. Alternatively, you can buy the £12000 solar panel and get the £120 savings plus £800 a year from selling your excess energy. Meaning it repays in roughly 10-12 years.
it would take about 30-40 years to pay for itself as you didnt take into account the interest on that £12K you handed over. You can get 5% interest for long term bonds.

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