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This Saturday in the Telegraph don't miss The Complete Expenses Files a 68-page magazine supplement listing the expenses of all 646 MPs.

Inside the 68-page magazine supplement you will find files concerning all 646 MPs, with details of their Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) expenses for 2007-8, the most recent year for which figures are available.

This is the first time that such detailed information about our elected representatives has been available in one place. It is an historic moment. We believe that our expenses files will help change the face of British politics for the better.
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#1
Freebie??
I should think so!
#2
Isn't this going to be available online?
#3
I heard that MP's are going to buy the paper then claim it back through expenses :whistling:
#4
Think the online version has lots of chunks blacked out, so not much point in that.
Seems the Telegraph is the only place we can see the full picture. Got to be worth the price of the paper:whistling:
#5
MAIA
Think the online version has lots of chunks blacked out, so not much point in that.
Seems the Telegraph is the only place we can see the full picture. Got to be worth the price of the paper:whistling:


Bits that are blocked out are adresses n stuff on bills, doubt paper would print them either
#6
Humphman
Bits that are blocked out are adresses n stuff on bills, doubt paper would print them either



True, that would cause a few problems. Voted this post hot though, as I doubt if all of this would be in the public domain right now without the Telegraph.
#7
it is the expenses they WANT us to see. will vote hot when the REAL expenses ever makes it on paper.
#8
Brilliant. How dare the MPs claim for such items and then expect the actual details of their claims to be hidden from the public (as is the case with their own censored on-line version). Nearly £500,000 returned so far by red faced MPs, several of them to resign from parliament in disgrace (pity they will not go sooner) and more to come along with, hopefully, criminal prosecutions. The Telegraph has shown some real guts and given these complacent and greedy politicians a real fright. Definitely going to buy it tomorrow. Thanks for posting it. HOT.
#9
Who gives a ****, seriously, anyone except decent people give a ****, that's who.

In reality, they did nothing wrong what so ever (except for the MPs who committed fraud, but that's a different matter), a high majority of these MPs played within the guidelines of the expenses that they can claim. It's jealousy on the part of the public and in hard times for many people who have a lot of spare cash are hated, period.

(I am not affiliated with any MP or know any, many of them are toffee nosed losers!) :)

If I was an MP, I would of milked the system too, why not? I am allowed too; if your job allowed expenses you'd bloody use it also, regardless if it's Government money or not, you're worried about a little £500,000? Just shows how much you know about how much money is in the Government, the Government proberly loses £50m a year without knowing where it goes, and in the USA, I think the CIA lost something like $7trillion.
#10
$2.3trillion lost in one year, one year!

http://polidics.com/current-administration/rumsfeld-loses-23-trillion-dollars-and-says-well-never-find-it.html

£500,000 to any Government is like a penny sweet to us.
#11
Wotwot123
Who gives a ****, seriously, anyone except decent people give a ****, that's who.

In reality, they did nothing wrong what so ever (except for the MPs who committed fraud, but that's a different matter), a high majority of these MPs played within the guidelines of the expenses that they can claim. It's jealousy on the part of the public and in hard times for many people who have a lot of spare cash are hated, period.

(I am not affiliated with any MP or know any, many of them are toffee nosed losers!) :)

If I was an MP, I would of milked the system too, why not? I am allowed too; if your job allowed expenses you'd bloody use it also, regardless if it's Government money or not, you're worried about a little £500,000? Just shows how much you know about how much money is in the Government, the Government proberly loses £50m a year without knowing where it goes, and in the USA, I think the CIA lost something like $7trillion.


Wotwot123
$2.3trillion lost in one year, one year!

http://polidics.com/current-administration/rumsfeld-loses-23-trillion-dollars-and-says-well-never-find-it.html

£500,000 to any Government is like a penny sweet to us.



Surely the point of all this is transparency and accountability. Yes, many jobs pay expenses, and employees have to account for what they claim. The system for MPs expenses is flawed and has lent itself to being abused.
Its clearly been accepted this way for years by Parliament, but if it really is acceptable then why didn't they agree to publish their expenses before? It's not a question of "a penny sweet" it's the fact that they seemed to think they were not accountable! Everyone's accountable unless it is their own money!!:x
#12
Wotwot123 you are saying anyone who cares about this is not a decent person. I say anyone who is happy to fund tv's, porn, gardening services and thinks it's okay for mps to constantly re designate their second homes to avoid tax should consider setting up a private charity for mps and take the burden off of what I consider decent people.
#13
SneakyD
Wotwot123 you are saying anyone who cares about this is not a decent person.

Yes, idiots.

constantly re designate their second homes to avoid tax


And how is this a shock? Anyone who owns two houses and decides to sell one will ALWAYS live in the one they are selling for a short space of time to not pay the 40% tax.

If you didn't, you'd be an idiot.
#14
Wotwot123;5536699




And how is this a shock? Anyone who owns two houses and decides to sell one will ALWAYS live in the one they are selling for a short space of time to not pay the 40% tax.

If you didn't, you'd be an idiot.



If a person was happy to pay for them to do this then that person would surely be an idiot.
#15
"if your job allowed expenses you'd bloody use it also".

Theoretically I could hire a helicopter to take me to work but that would be taking the pee, so I think claiming bus fare would be more acceptable!

It's not the fact that they have claimed expenses but that they haven't acted with any restraint and have just been greedy in what they have claimed for.
#16
SneakyD
If a person was happy to pay for them to do this then that person would surely be an idiot.


What?

When someone owns more than one house and decides to sell it, instead of paying a stupid 40% to the Government, they move into the house, and sell it, making A LOT more profit for themselves.
#17
Wotwot123;5538102
What?

When someone owns more than one house and decides to sell it, instead of paying a stupid 40% to the Government, they move into the house, and sell it, making A LOT more profit for themselves.


They paid for for those homes with OUR money then the re designated them so the could pocket the profits tax free.

If your happy with a system that lets them do this then that is fair enough.

I expect MY taxes to pay for services, not to line fat cat pockets.

Politicians complain about benefit scroungers bilking the system so they can inflame our emotions and use our anger to reduce our services and bring in stricter laws that control all the population eg. databases and id cards.

They should have realised that people don't like any scroungers bilking the system.

These are they same politicians that were lining their own pockets while saying teachers, nurses, postal workers, the police and firemen and women could not have a pay rise to meet the rising cost of living.

If I am an idiot as you suggest then I am a disgusted idiot. Not because I am jealous but because I can think of more deserving people to spend tax money on.
#18
I think wotwot123 has his head stuck firmly up his own a***. The MP's think we deserve to live on less than £60-odd a week, pay ridiculous amounts in petrol, council tax etc (when they claim it back theirselves).They get the top stuff, don't work as hard as many people (police, nurses,doctors,cleaners) yet expect to be paid about 3x their wages and then get free stuff on top!!!!!

My partner is earning £17,000 a year working from 7.30am-4.30pm working as an engineer, on his feet day in day out, red hot environment working with metal, burning himself a lot as it's part of the job, doing complicated mathematics as part of his job, and a huge chunk of that money goes out in tax. That money could buy us some extra things, and go towards savings for our children's future, but it's going straight into the houses of MP's when they're claiming allowances. My partner could claim for washing powder to wash his work uniform as it's covered in grease, but we don't. We don't have a car, my partner catches the bus to work but walks home to save money. We only go on holiday if it's with our parents as we cannot afford one. I use the catalogue to buy clothes as I can't afford to go straight out and buy them. So yes, as an honest decent person I get very p****d off that my partner's hard earnt cash is spent on them.
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SneakyD
They paid for for those homes with OUR money then the re designated them so the could pocket the profits tax free.

If your happy with a system that lets them do this then that is fair enough.

I expect MY taxes to pay for services, not to line fat cat pockets.

Politicians complain about benefit scroungers bilking the system so they can inflame our emotions and use our anger to reduce our services and bring in stricter laws that control all the population eg. databases and id cards.

They should have realised that people don't like any scroungers bilking the system.

These are they same politicians that were lining their own pockets while saying teachers, nurses, postal workers, the police and firemen and women could not have a pay rise to meet the rising cost of living.

If I am an idiot as you suggest then I am a disgusted idiot. Not because I am jealous but because I can think of more deserving people to spend tax money on.


I went to my local pregnancy triage area a few weeks back (labour scare at 24 weeks pregnant) this poor triage nurse had been working a 12 hour shift, it was red hot- they won't allow air conditioning as it costs them money, there's 5 beds in there as they won't spend more money to make it larger. The machines kept playing up because they hadn't been fixed- spending money. I noticed a large rip in the bed foam, a breeding site for bacteria. The electric sockets were hanging off the wall in my cubicle- spending money. I noticed a lack of "large" sized gloves- most popular with the male doctors, again spending money.

The other women and myself were in there for about 4 hours waiting to be seen by doctors who were rushing all over the hospital trying to see as many people as possible, they were all knackered and over-worked, in a horrible environment. Some of the patients and their partners were getting angry, you could understand why as they're worried about their babies, but the poor doctors and triage nurses had to put up with the abuse.

The reason why= the MP's are spending any spare cash that could be pumped into hospitals, on their houses and theirselves. We all moan about the police not doing their jobs, in reality there's not enough staff and too much paperwork. They charge the British public taxes on this, that and the other, yet are allowing foreigners in and using the money in the NHS, and prisons etc (they should charge them like they do in the USA etc). But they should also stop the MP's wages and pay them the minimum wage, just like many cleaners receive who spend hours scrubbing stinking toilets and go home struggling on their wages.

Sorry for ranting on, but it makes me so angry that people like wotwot has the nerve to call us idiots for being angry!! How much in tax do you pay wotwot every year?
#20
midjet666
I think wotwot123 has his head stuck firmly up his own a***. The MP's think we deserve to live on less than £60-odd a week, pay ridiculous amounts in petrol, council tax etc (when they claim it back theirselves).They get the top stuff, don't work as hard as many people (police, nurses,doctors,cleaners) yet expect to be paid about 3x their wages and then get free stuff on top!!!!!

My partner is earning £17,000 a year working from 7.30am-4.30pm working as an engineer, on his feet day in day out, red hot environment working with metal, burning himself a lot as it's part of the job, doing complicated mathematics as part of his job, and a huge chunk of that money goes out in tax. That money could buy us some extra things, and go towards savings for our children's future, but it's going straight into the houses of MP's when they're claiming allowances. My partner could claim for washing powder to wash his work uniform as it's covered in grease, but we don't. We don't have a car, my partner catches the bus to work but walks home to save money. We only go on holiday if it's with our parents as we cannot afford one. I use the catalogue to buy clothes as I can't afford to go straight out and buy them. So yes, as an honest decent person I get very p****d off that my partner's hard earnt cash is spent on them.


You think you have it bad? My family earns 20x what you guys earn, and nearly all of it goes into the Government, so before you go on about "Oh I am on a low paid job" etc, see who you are talking too first.

Head up my ass? No, you are ignorant, and just because they earn more than you doesn't mean they are scum, and I bet being an MP is quite a tough job, do you realise how old people in Power get so quickly? The stress must be immense on them, Tony Blair and Gordan Brown have both aged very very quickly, and Brown looks knackered lately too.

Going to cry about how Alan Sugar earns £50m a year on Interets next eh?

No money sob story is exactly why the whole expenses thing is being blown out of proportion, Jealousy and Ignorance at it's best.

Having no money sucks, I know, I have none. But it does not mean you bash the well off.
#21
Wotwot123 what you seem to missing is that these people are not [B]Entrepreneurs[/B] like Alan Sugar, they are public employees and we have every right to complain if we think they are bilking the system, it's our money they're taking.

Money that could be spent on nurses, teachers, police, the elderly and a million other worthy causes.

This is not an issue of jealousy, it is an issue of of trust. We need to be able to trust these people because unlike the rest of society, politicians set their own pay and make their own rules.

You write of the stress of power, but I would remind you that all politicians are volunteers. They lust after power because they want it very badly. Blair stitched up Brown for the leadership then later Brown forced Blair out. So don't feel too sorry for them, they have got what they wanted.

If your family are giving most of their income to the government then perhaps they should look at getting a good accountant, the highest rate of income and capital gains tax is 40%, they are clearly over paying (because I'm sure you would never lie to try to make your point).
#22
SneakyD
it's out money they're taking.


Not really, once it's in the hands of the Government, it's their money, not ours.

That's why "You" pay "Them" tax, not "You" pay "You" tax.

It's pennies your talking about, £1m to the Government is pennies, they could throw £1m out on the streets every week if they wanted, it's nothing.
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I pay my taxes to the public exchequer to provide services for us the people.

£1m is not nothing, it could fund a good number of hospital beds or police on the beat or proper body armour for some of our soldiers or even a decent enquiry into government corruption.

But set the money aside for the moment and look at the issue of public trust. We entrust these people to run the country fairly and with integrity, they instead, lie to us, set different rules for us than for them, they start wars we don't want and send our soldiers in to harms way, without proper equipment.

If you don't recognise that politicians are supposed to work for us fair enough, I hope you enjoy your life on your knees.

This will be my last post on this issue as I feel I have made my opinion pretty clear and I think I understand yours well enough. We clearly will not convince each other so I wish you and your mega rich family all the best :)

ps. You really should have them talk to an account.
#24
I usually read this site, but seldom post. But on this occasion I need to state briefly and candidly; Wotwat123, you are a tit and a wind-up merchant too.
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#26
Wotwot123
You think you have it bad? My family earns 20x what you guys earn, and nearly all of it goes into the Government, so before you go on about "Oh I am on a low paid job" etc, see who you are talking too first.

Head up my ass? No, you are ignorant, and just because they earn more than you doesn't mean they are scum, and I bet being an MP is quite a tough job, do you realise how old people in Power get so quickly? The stress must be immense on them, Tony Blair and Gordan Brown have both aged very very quickly, and Brown looks knackered lately too.

Going to cry about how Alan Sugar earns £50m a year on Interets next eh?

No money sob story is exactly why the whole expenses thing is being blown out of proportion, Jealousy and Ignorance at it's best.

Having no money sucks, I know, I have none. But it does not mean you bash the well off.


Well if your family earns 20x the amount my partner does, good luck to them, but at the end of the day my partner works hard for his money and we don't want that money going into the MP's pockets. At the end of the day, like someone else said it's all about trust. We thought our money went into the public services etc, not into their houses etc. They lied to us- we weren't aware of the "perks of their jobs", they are always the ones to shout out saying how people can live on this amount a week, yet they are lining their pockets with money we all assumed were going elsewhere.

If I refused to pay my council tax bill I would end up in prison- they claim theirs back. They are so hypocritical.
And the reason why you're so proud to spout off about how we're all idiots etc, is because you're not the one stumbling to find next month's mortgage cost, or trying to find a meal for your kids. I don't have it hard compared to a lot of people, but it's still not easy. We don't voluntarily hand over the money paid in tax- it's taken straight from our wages, and if you dare to work cash in hand they'll more than likely send you to jail- for dodging tax.

Also, I didn't call them scum because they earnt more than me, I will call them scum because they are abusing the claims system. Just because they CAN claim for stuff, doesn't mean they SHOULD. Isn't a wage of £60,000+ a year enough? They have to claim for TV's, etc which yes it's nice to have, but a lot of people are doing without as they cannot afford it in the credit crunch.

Again, the stress must be immense yes, and I've noticed just how much they've aged, but they chose to go into that job, just like my partner's chosen to go into his job. Maybe the reason why they're so stressed out, is because they're not living in the real world with the working people. They don't see what we want and need, they're just busy trying to put across laws etc to make themselves and their parties look good.
Even if they did a stint where they saw what we had to go through on a daily basis, like waiting in A&E for about 8 hours before being seen, they would go back to their lives and forget quickly and thank God that they didn't have to go through that, but they wouldn't change anything.

And about Alan Sugar- I have such respect for him. He went from a council estate, selling stuff off the back of a van, and worked his way up. He's worked long, hard hours to get where he is and I think it's brilliant that he's done that. It comes to something when the government have to ask him to step in so that they can get a glimpse of the real world.
#27
Wotwot123
Who gives a ****, seriously, anyone except decent people give a ****, that's who.

In reality, they did nothing wrong what so ever (except for the MPs who committed fraud, but that's a different matter), a high majority of these MPs played within the guidelines of the expenses that they can claim. It's jealousy on the part of the public and in hard times for many people who have a lot of spare cash are hated, period.

(I am not affiliated with any MP or know any, many of them are toffee nosed losers!) :)

If I was an MP, I would of milked the system too, why not? I am allowed too; if your job allowed expenses you'd bloody use it also, regardless if it's Government money or not, you're worried about a little £500,000? Just shows how much you know about how much money is in the Government, the Government proberly loses £50m a year without knowing where it goes, and in the USA, I think the CIA lost something like $7trillion.

The government's money is OUR money, you absolute tard (pardon my language, but the "would of" English abuse sealed the deal). They get it through something called 'taxation' - Google this term to find out more. If an MP is using my money to shop at John Lewis while I'm browsing Homebargains, I damn well want to know about it.

I suggest that you get off the internet and back on the short bus. Isn't it lanyard-making day at the group home? I'm sure you don't want to miss that!
#28
Chia
The government's money is OUR money


"Was"

Do you have any power in spending Government money?

Cu.
#29
Wotwot123
"Was"

Do you have any power in spending Government money?

Cu.


That's the thing, it was our money until they took it without our permission. If we'd agreed on being taxed then fair enough, but we haven't agreed it, so technically they're stealing it out of our wages, calling it tax, and then using their "allowances" to buy whatever they want.
If they're going to have an allowance, then surely all jobs should have the same perks, or we should be able to claim for things too from the government pot? Just like many immigrants coming in are given £3,500 just to move into the country, why aren't we given any money to move into a home? Why aren't we given food vouchers, clothing vouchers. I'm 6 and half months pregnant and can claim £195 (I think...) what can I buy with £195? Yes I can buy a car seat, some bits of clothes etc, but a buggy system is about £250-£350. I've had to have a lot of things second hand off friends and family. Yes getting pregnant is my choice, but they can claim this that and the other, so why isn't there more help for families? Why are there elderly who have applied to the council for help with aids and they're refused? It's just a ridiculous country, and I'd leave if I had the means of going, but I'm broke so stuck here in this s**thole.
#30
midjet666
That's the thing, it was our money until they took it without our permission. If we'd agreed on being taxed then fair enough, but we haven't agreed it, so technically they're stealing it out of our wages, calling it tax, and then using their "allowances" to buy whatever they want.
If they're going to have an allowance, then surely all jobs should have the same perks, or we should be able to claim for things too from the government pot? Just like many immigrants coming in are given £3,500 just to move into the country, why aren't we given any money to move into a home? Why aren't we given food vouchers, clothing vouchers. I'm 6 and half months pregnant and can claim £195 (I think...) what can I buy with £195? Yes I can buy a car seat, some bits of clothes etc, but a buggy system is about £250-£350. I've had to have a lot of things second hand off friends and family. Yes getting pregnant is my choice, but they can claim this that and the other, so why isn't there more help for families? Why are there elderly who have applied to the council for help with aids and they're refused? It's just a ridiculous country, and I'd leave if I had the means of going, but I'm broke so stuck here in this s**thole.


I agree with everything you have said, but at the end of the day, expenses has been around for years, and it's only being brought out because.

a) It's a recession
b) a lot of the general public has little more / or no job
c} the press is trying to dig Gordan Brown anyway they can

If the recession didn't exist, this would still be under wraps because people would not care, the perks exist because if you become an MP you get Expenses, it's as simple as. Many jobs offer a £100k salary with perks of Bonuses, and it's not rare for jobs to come with bonuses that are way more than the annual salary.

Many big bosses get something like £1m in bonuses, yet their salary is £100k.

Different jobs have different advantages, and I'm afraid to say MP's get expenses, simple as, it's a part of the job and they can take full advantage of it.

Sucks, I know, but it's just how it is.

I like to say that "Tax" is another word for "Legal robbing". They are now bringing in new tax on broadband and phone line, I mean wtf, you are getting tax already from us, but you want more bloody tax. The biggest thing that ****** me off is Inheritence tax, 40%, it is Illegal taxing, the money that is left has ALREADY been taxed before, so WHY THE F*** does the Government get a share on already taxed money? It makes no sense what so ever.

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