RANT... Asda carrier bags are going... 5p in Future..

pinkkitty2007

My local shop now only has the reusable canvas ones at £1 each and no other options. I think most shops will be going down the reusable bag route from now on

bellabonkers

Loved the way you argued about the revolving doors. It winds me up when stores have the heating on full blast but prop their doors open???? It's not the little man that needs to make a change. Big companies need to do their bit and not pass the blame on to the consumer.
I didn't know they were going to start charging. Good job i have a stash of bags ready to recycle in my kitchen.

pghstochaj

Revolving doors save energy compared to open doors. 4 kW is a small usage anyway.
Bio-degradable isn't the issue here, waste of resources going to landfill is.
Consider life cycle analysis.
etc. etc.

ryouga

bellabonkers:
Loved the way you argued about the revolving doors. It winds me up when stores have the heating on full blast but prop their doors open???? It's not the little man that needs to make a change. Big companies need to do their bit and not pass the blame on to the consumer.
I didn't know they were going to start charging. Good job i have a stash of bags ready to recycle in my kitchen.

My university blasts the heating up at nighttimes especially at the weekend so bad that everyone is sweating even before they start dancing and we all know its a ploy to get people to buy more.

aScottishBloke

Chiptivo,

Next time you go into ASDA or another similar store and they try to charge you extra for taking away the purchases you have bought, e.g. £200 on groceries, leave them behind on the till. They will soon get the message.

Let them invest in a more environmentally friendly option, it's not as if they don't charge it back indirectly.

GAVINLEWISHUKD

My local Asda stopped the free bags and people have started just putting the goods back in baskets so the trolley boys now have to collect all the abandoned baskets from all around the car park. I guy just put the basket in his boot and drove off.

As for me I just take my bright orange Sainsburys bag for life to Asda.

pghstochaj

aScottishBloke:
Chiptivo,

Next time you go into ASDA or another similar store and they try to charge you extra for taking away the purchases you have bought, e.g. £200 on groceries, leave them behind on the till. They will soon get the message.

Let them invest in a more environmentally friendly option, it's not as if they don't charge it back indirectly.

The government has suggested they will take action with law if supermarkets don't...

Robotochan

So Asda are introducing the pay for bag scheme earlier than some of the other stores big woop. 5p is hardly worth crying about. A lot of people already use Bags for Life which is what everyone should be doing anyway.

Going by your logic of the automatic doors I assume you use a manual grass cutter?

I personally feel little can be done at the consumer end of the supply chain, maybe if packaging was made more sparse and with less plastic we'd have less to throw away and more of what we do throw away will be a little more "eco-friendly"

The Climate is changing and not for the better, sure the planet goes through it's cycles however we are causing them to be much more extreme than pre-industrial revolution. Only way we're gonna be saved is a massive geo-engineering project...

Chiptivo

aScottishBloke:
Chiptivo,

Next time you go into ASDA or another similar store and they try to charge you extra for taking away the purchases you have bought, e.g. £200 on groceries, leave them behind on the till. They will soon get the message.

Let them invest in a more environmentally friendly option, it's not as if they don't charge it back indirectly.

Yes, I thought of that today.. If they would not let me have the "Free under the counter bags" I may of considered leaving the sale and walking out.
I would of been embarrased if a assistant or manager came along and paid for the 5p ones for me, but it is the point...

Sainsbury's carrier bags are made from recycled plastic, and biodegrade within a couple of years..

Landfill is interesting also, I could argue that landfill is not a bad conpromise for our waste. Our local landfill is now a very nice nature reserve, and also provides methane gas for our local cake and biscuit factory.. A win win situation.

Found a quote from asda managment today "We want to make protecting the planet easier and more affordable for our 15m customers."????
With revolving doors, and stadium floodlighting in the stores.

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aScottishBloke

pghstochaj:
The government has suggested they will take action with law if supermarkets don't...

Good, that's my point. Leave your groceries behind and before you know it the supermarkets will be forcing their 'special' bags upon you 'free of charge'.

Chiptivo

pghstochaj:
The government has suggested they will take action with law if supermarkets don't...

This govenment is really struggleing and we are getting a bit fed up with being told what to do.. I would guess they would be putting this on hold... A bag tax that they are thinking of introducing will not be put forward until after the next general election.

pghstochaj

Sorry, but you misunderstand the situation. Firstly, plastic bags are not "recycled" - they are re-used in a technical definition, a lower step in the waste hierarchy and thus less preferred. It is a finite resource being wasted, compared to genuine recycling (laymen's term: reusing your bag). The sainsburys bags are 33% reused (technical definition), thus far from being sustainable, that's the problem with polymers, difficult to reuse.

Unfortunately you can't argue that, hence why the landfill directive exists, new landfill taxes and the year on year increase and the absolute lack of volume left in landfill, it simply doesn't exist anymore. Your biodegrading plastic bags adds nothing to calorific values in a waste-to-energy system.

Government has quite rightly said, self-reg or we will reg you. Asda are doing the right thing for the world.

I have been in asdas at night and main lighting is turned off for energy saving. Again, revolving doors lower convective heat transfer and are of benefit.

The major place that supermarkets could improve is the refrigeration systems. They are very inefficient due to the boundary defined, cooling and heating itself constantly, with AC cooling the shop.

Personally I am happy to recycle bags (technical definition) and don't see the problem.

Chiptivo:
Yes, I thought of that today.. If they would not let me have the "Free under the counter bags" I may of considered leaving the sale and walking out.
I would of been embarrased if a assistant or manager came along and paid for the 5p ones for me, but it is the point...

Sainsbury's carrier bags are made from recycled plastic, and biodegrade within a couple of years..

Landfill is interesting also, I could argue that landfill is not a bad conpromise for our waste. Our local landfill is now a very nice nature reserve, and also provides methane gas for our local cake and biscuit factory.. A win win situation.

Found a quote from asda managment today "We want to make protecting the planet easier and more affordable for our 15m customers."????
With revolving doors, and stadium floodlighting in the stores.

Shengis

Chiptivo:
This govenment is really struggleing and we are getting a bit fed up with being told what to do.. I would guess they would be putting this on hold... A bag tax that they are thinking of introducing will not be put forward until after the next general election.

How innocent. Do you really not think this would be another good way for the current administration to 'throw' the next election? Lets face it, they know they won't win so will now try to cause as much trouble for the next lot as they can

RANT... Asda carrier bags are going... 5p in Future..

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