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Would like a mod to clarify...

POSTED BY: lil_tiger 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Just had a quick read through the Code of Conduct for HUKD and realised there are only certain types of personal abuse mentioned;

IV. Racism, Religion, Sexuality:

Attacks on a person's faith, race, colour, sexual preference will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of Admin and Moderators without prior warning to the offenders.

* A person's religious, sexual, political or any other orientation in life should be respected at all times.
* Any replies or discussion on these topics, should only be posted in the Miscellenaeous forum and must remain respectful and constructive.



V. Profanities, Foul Language, Rudeness:

There is a word filter in place to help remove profanities from posts.

* Anyone attempting to get round the word filter by any means will face a ban.
* Rude posts or images are also not acceptable and will be deleted without warning at the discretion of Admin and Moderators.
* Please be polite to your fellow members at all times.

I dont really see how this is effectively covering all abusive comments flying around on HUKD (expecially recently)...Surely there should be a 'bullying' area, or an 'otherwise offensive' area as "Racism, Religion, Sexuality" are not the only ways to abuse someone online. Any attacks on members or even non-members should result in punishment (obviously dependant on the severity).

In brief....just wondered why bullying (or the like) and personal abuse is apparently (according to the CoC) tolerated on HUKD?
The closest at the moment is 'please be polite' which sounds advisory at the most....

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well said x x
Your avatar is abusive, nearly makes me have an eppy and i've not even got the condition.
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OK so read through it again and I guess this is incorporated into 'trolling' but IMHO I think it should have its own area....its more serious than HUKD seems to make out...
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Good point, however to judge bullying is not always a clear cut answer.. so in terms of rules it will be hard to pinpoint the specific..? What would one write as a rule tho so that it is sound and without any second doubts?

So thus in terms of to be banned or not, mod's have final say anyway, they are judge and jury..? So.. kinda means rules are just guidelines.. anything 'antisocial' will not be tolerated?
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Good point, however to judge bullying is not always a clear cut answer.. so in terms of rules it will be hard to pinpoint the specific..? What would one write as a rule tho so that it is sound and without any second doubts?
the level of bullying would be decided by the mods...mods have clear discretion over many other aspects of the site...so why not here?

Would need to be worded something along the lines of
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'Any personal attacks on other members/non-members will be taken to be bullying and will not be accepted. Acts of such will be dealt with at the discretion of Admin and Moderators without prior warning to the offenders and may result in a ban.'
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So thus in terms of to be banned or not, mod's have final say anyway, they are judge and jury..? So.. kinda means rules are just guidelines.. anything 'antisocial' will not be tolerated?
Yup they do but thats how it goes isnt it...someone has to moderate the threads?

I am meaning that with no mention of such in the Code of Conduct HUKD is more or less authorising it on the site....Although the rules can be seen as guidelines Im sure the aim of them is that if they are followed then the site is the best it can be. Authorising such abuse is blatantly not good for the site and should be at least discouraged.
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Agree and understand your point.

However, lol....one could say that bullying is already covered under the "inciting negative response" rule. Simply as bullying is a pattern of negative behaviour against another person. Once that pattern emerges and is identified, then it can be defined as inciting a negative response and actioned appropriately.

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How can you bully someone on here? We all have an 'off' button!!!
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Agree and understand your point.

However, lol....one could say that bullying is already covered under the "inciting negative response" rule. Simply as bullying is a pattern of negative behaviour against another person. Once that pattern emerges and is identified, then it can be defined as inciting a negative response and actioned appropriately.

yeah as I said above I do see how some points of the other areas of the CoC could be taken to cover the issue of bullying....but I thought/think it would be more suitable to have an area clearly outlining a zero tolerance to bullying on this site...unless ofcorse there is tolerance

Recently its clear to everyone that many members (in different ways and at different times and aimed at different members before anyone gets offended) have been pushing the boundaries and often crossing the line with regard to bullying and I think it should be addressed by HUKD
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How can you bully someone on here? We all have an 'off' button!!!
Avoidance of the topic does not mean it simply isnt there..

I.e. rejecting the reality that the earth is spherical (loose term) doesnt mean it isnt actually spherical...
(technically speaking the earth isnt actually spherical..but we shant go into that off topicness)..

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I was speaking as the bullied. Anything I didn't like I would avoid & not even grace it with taking offence.
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yeah as I said above I do see how some points of the other areas of the CoC could be taken to cover the issue of bullying....but I thought/think it would be more suitable to have an area clearly outlining a zero tolerance to bullying on this site...unless ofcorse there is tolerance

Recently its clear to everyone that many members (in different ways and at different times and aimed at different members before anyone gets offended) have been pushing the boundaries and often crossing the line with regard to bullying and I think it should be addressed by HUKD
Okay. Whats your definition of "bullying" on the forum?....for example, several people having a strong differing opinion from 1 single person could be perceived as bullying, yet its only a difference of opinion.

How would you define it, given that everybody is limited to articulting themselves via typing words in a box.....?
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I think bullying is forcing someone to do something against their will. How can you do that on here? It is not the same as expressing an opinion even if it is defamatory.
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Even saying something completely unoffensive and factual about a religion gets you infractions on this forum. For example certain groups of people may not drink alcohol so it's no surprise to find alcohol cheaply in the areas those groups live - (which is factual, and good for saving cash to those not from those groups). Trying to be diplomatic about that and not name any groups as I wouldn't want an infraction! (But I will probably get one for that comment anyway).

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