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banned8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
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banned8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
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#1
Lol Tiscali in talks, its not like they dont throttle their service enough already,

Just another excuse to rip off consumers.
banned#2
All the more reason to use encrypted SSL connections from usenet. I would imagine this article applies to torrents? (ie ISPs can tell what the traffic is from them?)
#3
They will make any excuse, I mean they want you to pay for broadband connections then either throttle speeds or wont let you download over 1 gig or something.

Stupid
#4
So 95% of the UK population will be banned will they, leading to ISP closures and job losses?

I don't think so.....

LOL
banned#5
lumoruk
I encrypt mine but surely they will just do it by traffic flow? or can you say you have 4 kids playing on xbox 360 all day :)


I would imagine they will use volume as an indicator for people to target and investigate their usage. Currently, I would have nothing to fear - even though I am paying for an unlimitted usenetserver account - I cant think the last time I used it! I could probably get away with the capped BeThere account too! (But things will change I'm sure! :pirate: )
#6
So what is the best SSL program to download from usenet's?
#7
wolftan
So what is the best SSL program to download from usenet's?


Just going to ask the same question!
#8
It is possible to legally download lots of stuff via torrents (linux distros etc) so they would actually have to verify that the stuff being downloaded was copyright etc before taking action...
#9
Six million a year? bull thats just my home town in a week i think the numbers are wrong
#10
I'll be against this until there is a way to bypass record labels and get money direct to the musicians who work so hard. I'm not paying Warner or Apple 40% for someone's music.
banned#11
wolftan
So what is the best SSL program to download from usenet's?


Its something the usenet service provide.

As I said, I use usenetserver.com and provide this free. Others charge you. It basically means that on one apart from your machine or usenetserver could actually *know* what the content you are downloading actually is.
banned#12
raptorcigs
Six million a year? bull thats just my home town in a week i think the numbers are wrong


I think that was just me when once upon a time I used to be very naughty! :p
#13
yep those numbers seem low.
#14
guv
Its something the usenet service provide.

As I said, I use usenetserver.com and provide this free. Others charge you. It basically means that on one apart from your machine or usenetserver could actually *know* what the content you are downloading actually is.


Is this a good way to get files, I currently use emule and find it very good.
#15
I'm probably wrong, but I thought that you're safe from Big Brother if you enable encryption on utorrent??
#16
i got my hands slapped by orange because somehow, in 2 months October/November my computer acquired 66gb of files, i blame pop ups, anyway they are throttling my broadband between 6pm and midnight...

which i believe is highly unfair, they should take the rough with the smooth like the rest of us, I pay for up to 8meg broadband and at best of times i'm lucky if i get up to 3meg
#17
good lad, i was using torrents then, but i now find newzbins or what ever they are called to be alot better, i've probably already dl'd 40gb so far this month
banned#18
fwibble;1570707
i got my hands slapped by orange because somehow, in 2 months October/November my computer acquired 66gb of files, i blame pop ups, anyway they are throttling my broadband between 6pm and midnight...

which i believe is highly unfair, they should take the rough with the smooth like the rest of us, I pay for up to 8meg broadband and at best of times i'm lucky if i get up to 3meg

Why not switch the browser pop-up stopper on?
#19
dave smith
I'll be against this until there is a way to bypass record labels and get money direct to the musicians who work so hard. I'm not paying Warner or Apple 40% for someone's music.


So the musicians get nothing at all? I download the odd track, but actually purchase CD's...just a bit old fashioned I guess.
#20
I hardly download music, mainly TV shows.

Why would the government crack down on peoples Internet usage, what is this bloody China? If these businesses are losing money then simply change sales tactics not attack potential customers. By downloading this stuff people have proved they want these products, now they (the companies) just need to find a new way to get it to them.

This just seems like a scare story to rattle people. If it was true I would be very pissed off that a service I pay for is monitored on behalf of multinational corporations regardless of my rights to privacy.
#21
No Comment.
#22
I invited a musician to comment on this thread but apparently he's busy in court today.

On a serious note would all you people who are shouting foul walk into the likes of HMV and shoplift a CD or DVD ?

Someone explain to me the difference because I can't see it, sorry.
#23
lumoruk
HMV have bought those discs taking them, damages their business. Downloads are just 1's and 0's that coincidentally put together in a certain pattern make sounds and/or pictures that we like to hear and see :whistling:


And you could also say that the ripper of a CD track has created a unique item, therefore they also own the copyright on that item as it is an original creation......

Not justifying it, just putting forth a viewpoint ;-)
#24
every person with a pc i bet dl some illegal stuff.
#25
lumoruk;1570724
I downloaded 40GB in a month :)

I do that in a day
#26
hottoshop
I invited a musician to comment on this thread but apparently he's busy in court today.

On a serious note would all you people who are shouting foul walk into the likes of HMV and shoplift a CD or DVD ?

Someone explain to me the difference because I can't see it, sorry.


I've never been a big CD buyer so can't comment on that but as far as downloading movies, i've bought more DVD's and Cinema tickets in the last couple of years than I ever have before; mainly because downloads don't have the best audio.

The only thing that I personally use that has suffered is DVD rentals as I don't see the point in paying £4 for a DVD when you can pick it up for not much more on the net or even free if you download.

Whenever someone says you wouldn't shoplift a DVD it always reminds me of that anti-piracy spoof in the IT crowd. :)
#27
funny how cable companys in papers and tv adverts say upgrade to faster speeds so you can dl movies and music upto 20 x quicker.
#28
lumoruk
HMV have bought those discs taking them, damages their business. Downloads are just 1's and 0's that coincidentally put together in a certain pattern make sounds and/or pictures that we like to hear and see :whistling:


Shengis
And you could also say that the ripper of a CD track has created a unique item, therefore they also own the copyright on that item as it is an original creation......

Not justifying it, just putting forth a viewpoint ;-)


I can see the argument but can't understand the logic ?

Someone at some stage has produced that piece of work, whether it be a songwriter, singer, actor, director. People like to get paid for their work so if people are getting it for nothing then whoever produced that work is not getting paid for it.

Surely that can't be right ?

Are people really saying that if it was them that wrote or performed a song they would be happy for others to have it for free ? How would they survive, that's their living.

I just don't get it. :thinking: :thinking:
#29
Ungreat


Whenever someone says you wouldn't shoplift a DVD it always reminds me of that anti-piracy spoof in the IT crowd. :)


LOL, very funny ! Enjoyed that, thanks :thumbsup:
#30
hottoshop
Are people really saying that if it was them that wrote or performed a song they would be happy for others to have it for free ? How would they survive, that's their living.

I just don't get it. :thinking: :thinking:


I don't either but then I only download TV shows and the odd film. In the last year (music wise) i've downloaded...

Queen - Don't stop me now (can't be bothered to dig out my CD)
Adam and the Ants (best of) - Again, can't be bothered to dig out my 7"s

As for movies, I did get Sweeney Todd and Beowulf but after watching them i'm DEFINITELY going to buy them on DVD. Would have bought ST anyway but without P2P I would have missed out on Beowulf as 'it's not my sort of thing' (hated Scanner Darkly, only found out after I bought it on DVD :roll:).

Where do DJ's stand in all this with remixes that they sell? You can bet they don't pay the original artists so therefore they're all pirates too. Remember the case in the 80's M.A.R.R.S. - Pump up the volume? But it still goes on.
#31
Shengis
I don't either but then I only download TV shows and the odd film. In the last year (music wise) i've downloaded...

Queen - Don't stop me now (can't be bothered to dig out my CD)
Adam and the Ants (best of) - Again, can't be bothered to dig out my 7"s

As for movies, I did get Sweeney Todd and Beowulf but after watching them i'm DEFINITELY going to buy them on DVD. Would have bought ST anyway but without P2P I would have missed out on Beowulf as 'it's not my sort of thing' (hated Scanner Darkly, only found out after I bought it on DVD :roll:).

Where do DJ's stand in all this with remixes that they sell? You can bet they don't pay the original artists so therefore they're all pirates too. Remember the case in the 80's M.A.R.R.S. - Pump up the volume? But it still goes on.


Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not trying to moralise. I just don't understand the logic of shouting foul when to me it's obviously illegal.

We've all pirated stuff at some time I'm sure. I know I used to with the old cassette tapes but I'd always known it was illegal.
People now just seem to think they have a right to do it ?

Me being grumpy and old I suppose, lol :whistling: :w00t:
banned#32
Benjimoron
Is this a good way to get files, I currently use emule and find it very good.


It is the ONLY way to get stuff IMHO. Quick and complete. No need to worry about seeding and getting spyed on. As I said, I rarely use it that much now (already got far too much to watch anyway!), but my last film was about a month or so ago - Beowulf - which was a full DVD with menus and watched in from D/L to Unrar to burn in just over an hour. It obviously helps to have a fast connection - and usenetserver will give you all the bandwidth you can handle.
banned#33
hottoshop

We've all pirated stuff at some time I'm sure. I know I used to with the old cassette tapes but I'd always known it was illegal.
People now just seem to think they have a right to do it ?

Me being grumpy and old I suppose, lol :whistling: :w00t:


nah you're quite right, on the internet because there is so many people doing people don't seem to act like they do anything wrong and that it is in fact a plus "score one for the pirates!" etc

but yeah whilst not illegal it definitely is stealing the music it's hard to argue that it is right.

also the studios should be doing more to adapt their business model which more and more of them are doing like amazon.com allowing for DRM free mp3 downloads etc more and more will do this
#34
Agent_Silver
So the musicians get nothing at all? I download the odd track, but actually purchase CD's...just a bit old fashioned I guess.


RIAA Wants Artist Royalties Cut to 9%; Apple: Cut Them to 4%
http://www.digg.com/music/RIAA_Wants_Artist_Royalties_Cut_to_9_Apple_Cut_Them_to_4

These are the real criminals. I always try and put the money into the artists' hands at a show and support independents who are the ones putting out quality product anyway.
#35
lumoruk
Downloads are just 1's and 0's that coincidentally put together in a certain pattern make sounds and/or pictures that we like to hear and see :whistling:


Yeah, well CDs and DVDs are just a handful of random discrete atoms coincidentally put together in a certain pattern by him upstairs... I'm off to steal a handful :p
#36
guv
It is the ONLY way to get stuff IMHO. Quick and complete. No need to worry about seeding and getting spyed on. As I said, I rarely use it that much now (already got far too much to watch anyway!), but my last film was about a month or so ago - Beowulf - which was a full DVD with menus and watched in from D/L to Unrar to burn in just over an hour. It obviously helps to have a fast connection - and usenetserver will give you all the bandwidth you can handle.


Thanks for that guv. So I can download whatever I want and I don't have to upload anything and no-one can catch me?

p.s. I would quite happily pay £50 a month for unlimited use of all mp3s/films etc out there. That way it'd be legal and the artists would be happy as they'd get a share based on whatever people watched etc.q
#37
Anyone got a simple guide to cheap usenet?

I can survive without music downloads as I think most music is **** now and without the ability to screen movies first i'm fine with pulling back my DVD buying (won't drop £15 on a movie I haven't seen and many aren't Cinema worthy). But I just heard on the news that they are going after TV downloaders as well, I can't be doing without the newest episode of Heroes.

Is Usenet secure as I don't want to spend money on something that won't protect me.
#38
Ungreat
Is Usenet secure as I don't want to spend money on something that won't protect me.


In this case it won't matter whether its secure or not. As ISP's can't sniff your packets (due to privacy) as they pass through they'll have to base their decision on guesswork, which amounts to bandwidth usage OR server connection. So if they see you download a lot from a news server they would most likely 'assume' it was pirated material and shut you down. Just another excuse to get rid of heavy downloaders imho.
#39
Ungreat
Anyone got a simple guide to cheap usenet?

I can survive without music downloads as I think most music is **** now and without the ability to screen movies first i'm fine with pulling back my DVD buying (won't drop £15 on a movie I haven't seen and many aren't Cinema worthy). But I just heard on the news that they are going after TV downloaders as well, I can't be doing without the newest episode of Heroes.

Is Usenet secure as I don't want to spend money on something that won't protect me.


The one that guv was talking about is free I believe??
#40
I just read something really interesting on another blog. Someone pointed out this will make little difference to the amount of piracy but force people to buy from pubs and car boot sales and put money back in the pockets of true criminals.

And I have two 360's and five PC's connected to my internet so I always have high usage.

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