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#1
its so sad
1 Like #2
a life for a life doesnt solve anything no matter how horrific the story is, we SHOULD be a civilised nation and are past all the barbaric punishments! lets not take a step backwards when we should be taking steps forward
#3
Need to bring back capital punishment and put parents/guardians like that in stocks for a week until the public have exacted just revenge. A quick and painless death is too good for the likes of them.
#4
scotland88
a life for a life doesnt solve anything no matter how horrific the story is, we SHOULD be a civilised nation and are past all the barbaric punishments! lets not take a step backwards when we should be taking steps forward


+1
#5
i cant type anything...not again seems unfitting..they should HANG.!!!!!!!!sickening though...it wont be the last ..which is horrific!!poor little baby ....
also the recent other baby murder case..i have been on so many forums that name and shame the murderers and read that as impossible as seems..it gets worse..i didnt think it could!!!!!
banned#6
I actually feel sick. They arnt worth the death penalty - thats an easy get out, send them both to prison for life where they will get tortured by all the other people in there.And have to face the shame of their parent and everyone else knowing what they did to the little baby
#7
scotland88
a life for a life doesnt solve anything no matter how horrific the story is, we SHOULD be a civilised nation and are past all the barbaric punishments! lets not take a step backwards when we should be taking steps forward

I disagree, I think if we took a big step back and really hurt the perpetrators in cases like this, it could act as a deterrent to others. Also, if such punishments were widely advertised (more reality TV!) then the public would see justice being done and could be more likely to report instances when they think abuse may be taking place.
You can't beat a good hanging!
#8
I cried when I heard this story. I am not a violent person but I think that people who would do this to a child should be tortured. first for a lengthy period of time. Straight forward death sentence is to humane for them.
banned#9
weetonscum
I disagree, I think if we took a big step back and really hurt the perpetrators in cases like this, it could act as a deterrent to others. Also, if such punishments were widely advertised (more reality TV!) then the public would see justice being done and could be more likely to report instances when they think abuse may be taking place.
You can't beat a good hanging!


tell that to the families of those that where hanged and later found innocent
#10
Death penalty is an easy way out.

Prison for life (actual life) - 23 hours in a cell is real punishment.

The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent
#11
You can't beat a good hanging!


Unitl you hang the wrong person.

I've not read the story though & I must admit having read a few simlar (I guess) stories recently it would probably change my mind if it came to a vote :(
#12
so so sick. wish i hadnt read that as its so disturbing....
#13
weetonscum
I disagree, I think if we took a big step back and really hurt the perpetrators in cases like this, it could act as a deterrent to others. Also, if such punishments were widely advertised (more reality TV!) then the public would see justice being done and could be more likely to report instances when they think abuse may be taking place.
You can't beat a good hanging!


The death penalty has been proven not to be a deterrent in the US so what makes you think the UK would be any different?
#14
rosie2008
I cried when I heard this story. I am not a violent person but I think that people who would do this to a child should be tortured. first for a lengthy period of time. Straight forward death sentence is to humane for them.


i know :-( and its horrid...fractures to ALL her limbs... and 107 injuries.... how could they...God blesses them with a gorgeous little life to cherish and look after and they are just pure evil.... i have a son of 26 months so it makes me feel even more upset hearing this
#15
sassie
tell that to the families of those that where hanged and later found innocent

It may seem barbaric, but I still maintain that for every person put to death there could be any number of potential murders/torturers dissuaded from carrying out their actions. Therefore an innocent person would not have died in vain.
banned#16
They should put them in prison. We all know they will not have an easy life in there so hopefully other prisoners would make there life a living hell
banned#17
weetonscum
It may seem barbaric, but I still maintain that for every person put to death there could be any number of potential murders/torturers dissuaded from carrying out their actions. Therefore an innocent person would not have died in vain.


dissuaded, are you mad, these people aint right in the head, dissuasion doesnt come into it

and which member of your family would you wish to lose in the hope of dissuading one?
#18
weetonscum
It may seem barbaric, but I still maintain that for every person put to death there could be any number of potential murders/torturers dissuaded from carrying out their actions. Therefore an innocent person would not have died in vain.


your all talk now but jst think what would happen when its your kid that gets killed my the courts for a crime they didnt commit!
Violence of any sort is wrong.
#19
weetonscum
It may seem barbaric, but I still maintain that for every person put to death there could be any number of potential murders/torturers dissuaded from carrying out their actions. Therefore an innocent person would not have died in vain.


Are you actually serious? No really?
1 Like #20
They dont deserve the death penalty, simply because it would be too easy a get-out for them...


What we need here in the UK is some Gulags, not comfy prisons where criminals get all the luxuries that most honest abiding citizens cant even buy. If you get convicted of a heinous crime then you should have no rights other than citizenship. 3 square meals a day run by the cheapest tender contract possible, no TV, no DVD, no consoles, no magazines, nada....exercise, punishment for the crime you have committed. And any costs should be billed to the criminals family.

Ideally have a Gulag over here, if not then offer the prisoners as cheap labour to other countries for them to use. Keep them imprisoned for the rest of their natural life. :thumbsup:

Edit : We should take a leaf out of this guys book and learn from him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
#21
And any costs should be billed to the criminals family.


I completely agree. Why should tax payers have to pay for them? It would also put off people getting into the system to get 3 square meals and a bed.

If students have to leave with debt after years of working to become better citizens then surely criminals should be charged to be incarcerated.
#22
It may seem barbaric, but I still maintain that for every person put to death there could be any number of potential murders/torturers dissuaded from carrying out their actions. Therefore an innocent person would not have died in vain.


Yes thats why the USA seems to have no violent crime anymore - damn good job the death penalty has done
[helper]#23
Saw on the news today that each one is blaming the other for what happened. Hope to god they dont get off with it because ive read about that happening before because they cant prove who did it.
#24
magicbeans
i know :-( and its horrid...fractures to ALL her limbs... and 107 injuries.... how could they...God blesses them with a gorgeous little life to cherish and look after and they are just pure evil.... i have a son of 26 months so it makes me feel even more upset hearing this



I agree with you there MB. I think it is more upsetting when you have a little one round about the same age as you imagine if it was them going through that torture. It`s just an unbearable thought. I have to admit that I sometimes cant even watch the news if there is a story like this on.
banned#25
LJM
Saw on the news today that each one is blaming the other for what happened. Hope to god they dont get off with it because ive read about that happening before because they cant prove who did it.


They should charge them both in that case as you would have to realise if your partner was doing something like that and not doing anything about it would be just as bad.
#26
Death is too good for them. Make them suffer.
#27
I feel so so so sorry for the little one, how much pain she must have gone through:-(
I hope they get prolonged punishment to make them regret what they did for the rest of their lives.:x
#28
An appalling story but the death penalty really does not work. It's an utterly barbaric system shown in the US to discriminate against those who are not able to afford their own legal representation and those from 'ethnic minorities'. Hundreds of people have been released from death row on reciept of evidence that proves their innocence - imagine if it had come too late.

As for the argument on cost, it actually costs more to sentence someone to death - have a look at some of the facts here http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/factsheets/DeathPenaltyFactsNovember2008.pdf

I would be more in favour of longer sentences for certain crimes. Did anyone see the Louis Theroux doc at the prison in America where a lot of the prisoners had been sentenced to 100 years+ without parole?
#29
weetonscum
It may seem barbaric, but I still maintain that for every person put to death there could be any number of potential murders/torturers dissuaded from carrying out their actions. Therefore an innocent person would not have died in vain.


the states in America WITHOUT the death penalty actually have consistently lower murder rates than those states with the death penalty. Kind of dis-proves this myth...

source http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=82
#30
There has only ever been one place in the world where the death penalty has been introduced in the past thirty years and that is New York, The immediate effect was that the murder rate halved, Today there are many many people walking the streets who would have been murdered if not for the death penalty, Anyone who protests against the death penalty is actually helping to cause the deaths of innocent people
1 Like #31
StevenA2000_uk
They dont deserve the death penalty, simply because it would be too easy a get-out for them...


What we need here in the UK is some Gulags, not comfy prisons where criminals get all the luxuries that most honest abiding citizens cant even buy. If you get convicted of a heinous crime then you should have no rights other than citizenship. 3 square meals a day run by the cheapest tender contract possible, no TV, no DVD, no consoles, no magazines, nada....exercise, punishment for the crime you have committed. And any costs should be billed to the criminals family.

Ideally have a Gulag over here, if not then offer the prisoners as cheap labour to other countries for them to use. Keep them imprisoned for the rest of their natural life. :thumbsup:

Edit : We should take a leaf out of this guys book and learn from him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

+1

tonyg1962
There has only ever been one place in the world where the death penalty has been introduced in the past thirty years and that is New York, The immediate effect was that the murder rate halved, Today there are many many people walking the streets who would have been murdered if not for the death penalty, Anyone who protests against the death penalty is actually helping to cause the deaths of innocent people


wow i didnt know this:?:thinking:
#32
tonyg1962
There has only ever been one place in the world where the death penalty has been introduced in the past thirty years and that is New York, The immediate effect was that the murder rate halved, Today there are many many people walking the streets who would have been murdered if not for the death penalty, Anyone who protests against the death penalty is actually helping to cause the deaths of innocent people



Do you read the Daily Mail? it's a bit of a stretch that - protesting against the death penalty = helping to cause the deaths of innocent people?!

I'm against the death penalty as I can see how flawed the systems that operate around the world are. I *could* say that those that agree with the death penalty are helping to cause the deaths of innocent people (those wrongly put to death) but I'm not that ignorant or sensationalist. Each to their own.
1 Like #33
Did you also know that a murderer in prison cannot be denied life extending cancer drugs even though a 28 year old mother of two can,Pensioners can freeze to death in winter but a murderer has to be fed three healthy meals a day and be allowed entertainment and allowed to live in a comfortable environment, Deviating from any of these is considered cruel and unusual punishment,If you are a pensioner and struggling to get by then if you kill someone in Britain you will statistically live longer,
#34
MarnieMc
Do you read the Daily Mail? it's a bit of a stretch that - protesting against the death penalty = helping to cause the deaths of innocent people?!

I'm against the death penalty as I can see how flawed the systems that operate around the world are. I *could* say that those that agree with the death penalty are helping to cause the deaths of innocent people (those wrongly put to death) but I'm not that ignorant or sensationalist. Each to their own.


Everything a person does involves weighing up risks, By taking away the risk of getting killed themselves you have made it for someone to commit murder
banned 1 Like #35
tonyg1962
There has only ever been one place in the world where the death penalty has been introduced in the past thirty years and that is New York, The immediate effect was that the murder rate halved, Today there are many many people walking the streets who would have been murdered if not for the death penalty, Anyone who protests against the death penalty is actually helping to cause the deaths of innocent people


Funny as it was also stopped in 2004 and murder rates have continued to fall, the time it started to drop all other crime did too due to extra policing.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm


When was it introduced in new york as i couldn't find it anywhere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City

These studies argued that the dramatic reduction in crime was strongly correlated with the increases in the number of police officers that started under Mayor Dinkins and continued through the Giuliani and later Bloomberg administration.
banned#36
tonyg1962
Everything a person does involves weighing up risks, By taking away the risk of getting killed themselves you have made it for someone to commit murder


Almost all criminals believe they won't get caught, therefore punishment doesn't come into it.

Regarding this case, neither have even been found guilty but people want to hang them!
1 Like #37
MURDER = DEATH, Result No serial killers!
ROBBERY (armed) = Chop off a hand Repeat offence chop off other hand, Result No more ARMED robberies.
THEFT = 2 Warnings 3rd time chop off one hand 4th time the other hand, Result No Repeat offending.
RAPE = Chop off their Bits, Result No more raping.
PEDOPHILES (ABUSERS) = Slow Painful Death.
PEDOPHILES (PORN) = Blind em.

OVERALL RESULT WE SAVE TAX PAYERS MONEY FOR MORE IMPORTANT **** THAN THE SCUM OF SOCIETY.
ALL YOU DO GOODERS STAND IN YOUR CORNER AND SHUT UP.

My logic is undeniable.
Resistance is futile!
#38
tonyg1962
Everything a person does involves weighing up risks, By taking away the risk of getting killed themselves you have made it for someone to commit murder


um right - but anti-death penalty campaigners are not against custodial sentences. A person convicted of a crime would still be sentenced to jail and not free to commit murder as you state.

The UK legal system has plenty of miscarriages of justice. Imagine if Angela Cannings had been sentenced to death for the 'murder' of her child? Not in my name thanks.
#39
bargain surfer
MURDER = DEATH, Result No serial killers!
ROBBERY (armed) = Chop off a hand Repeat offence chop off other hand, Result No more ARMED robberies.
THEFT = 2 Warnings 3rd time chop off one hand 4th time the other hand, Result No Repeat offending.
RAPE = Chop off their Bits, Result No more raping.
PEDOPHILES (ABUSERS) = Slow Painful Death.
PEDOPHILES (PORN) = Blind em.

OVERALL RESULT WE SAVE TAX PAYERS MONEY FOR MORE IMPORTANT **** THAN THE SCUM OF SOCIETY.
ALL YOU DO GOODERS STAND IN YOUR CORNER AND SHUT UP.

My logic is undeniable.
Resistance is futile!

Its all good, but disability benefit would skyrocket.
Who will feed these blind, no handed people?
#40
Slowly open their throats up. =)

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