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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
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#1
this was on the news ages ago, its the company that make that game are coming down hard!!

Orange are supposidly one of those who are to send letters then ban people who download illegally!
#2
I have heard about IP sending out warning letters but not a fine? They can easilty track down torrents and will inform you that they know and usually is a warning letter.
#3
Buy the game and say you were using the d/l as a backup.
#4
that's awful for you, the game's rubbish as well! stick to sites for small downloads like DS ROMs
#5
Yh, this was on watchdog. I'd do what Kemo said :thumbsup:
#6
kemo
Buy the game and say you were using the d/l as a backup.


If he managed to borrow a friends game with a receipt prior to the dw date then would this actually work? :?
#7
Why £600 its a very odd amount innit whats a game bout £15 for a classic like that then solicitors fees £100 id contest it!! lol
#8
Simply answer is just don't use torrents, use a SSL encrypted Usenet server. Better still, pay for your games lol.

Sorry it happened to you, that's really unfortunate. Millions of people must download games illegally but I reckon only a few thousand have received these sorts of letters. Steep bill too! Wouldn't know what to do to combat it personally.
1 Like #9
which is exactly why you should use ssl encrypted newsgroups-torrent users are gonna get hammered by the industry very soon because they are an easy target-torrents are also riddled with fakes and viruses-in the current climate anyone who uses them may as well just put a gun to their heads.

I sympathise with you but I advise you to pay m8-the increased fines handed out to those who have ignored this letter or refused to pay are frightening!
#10
foxymissroxy
Why £600 its a very odd amount innit whats a game bout £15 for a classic like that then solicitors fees £100 id contest it!! lol


the game being 15 quid isnt the point-if you are on torrents you are allowing others to download from you so therefore are distributing too.
#11
stay away from torrents!!!!! jebus
Everytime the isp that i work for cuts someone off...its for filesharing while using torrents.
We then have to pass the customers details onto a solicitor if the copyright holders request it
#12
write back to them and say u will counter sue over racist abuse.
#13
barky
the game being 15 quid isnt the point-if you are on torrents you are allowing others to download from you so therefore are distributing too.


Valid point...its not the downloading that there getting you for...its for the uploading..the sharing of said file.
#14
They have fined someone before, but that was £16,000 for the same game, deveolped by Topware Interactive:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1046607/Up-25-000-British-illegal-downloaders-sued-300-games-developers-turn-courts.html

On July 22 the court ordered that she must pay damages of £6,086.56 and costs of £10,000 to Topware Interactive which owns the computer game Dream Pinball 3D.
#15
Bottom line this is stealing and you get what you deserve.
#16
hmmm providing the reciept for the game might get you off but look at your torrent program and see how many times you have completed an upload ?? if it's 3 etc offer to pay 3 times rrp plus costs and explain you have the original and the torrent was a backup copy..and that you were unaware that you was uploading the program but have found out that i was etc and i offer to repay etc etc ...also check the reciept covers the period of the torrent .. unless you make an offer you wont know the answer ...theres no point in wiping the machine as it wil show machine wiped as of ??/??/2009


hard one ...keep us all posted best of luck

059 nothing better to say then dont bother it's help that we were asked for not stupid comments ... have you never eaten pickn mix taken an apple of the tree etc .... used a parking ticket someone gave you or train ticket its all theft ...
banned#17
Can anyone recommend a good SSL encrypted Usenet server?
#18
leecroot
thanks. i was thinking off saying that. also on the torrent site it states that they dont post copyrighted software. was thinking of pleading ingnorance..


for your own good m8 I seriously advise you to pay-if you plead ignorance they will just drag you to court and fine you thousands of pounds-its very unfortunate what has happned but you best just take your medicine-these people will show you no mercy at all-if you plead ignorance they will immediately jump to the next step and get you into court-advise about claiming its a backup for a legit game will just not work-you had the file on your pc and were sharing it with others-if you try to get smart with the copyright owners they will seriously bury you-they are on a zero tolerance policy now.

take some good advice and dont even think about trying to wriggle out of this-if they get you in court you will be done for enabling others to download and you do not want that believe me!

Im not having a go at you-I am genuinely sorry for whats happened to you but if you try to get clever with these people they will just jump straight to stage two-no more letters,no more warnings,just game over. paying this 600 is the only chance you have to end this without getting crucified.
#19
Paddy Charlie
Can anyone recommend a good SSL encrypted Usenet server?


Yep. Used a lot of usenet servers and these guys are definitley the best for speed and value. http://www.news.astraweb.com/
#20
This might be a stoopid question but......... would they be able to tell what computer u used? I have two lappy's could I hide one and give them the other one to check? If it were to happen to me that is not that I do it:oops: just wondered
#21
hannah19790
This might be a stoopid question but......... would they be able to tell what computer u used? I have two lappy's could I hide one and give them the other one to check? If it were to happen to me that is not that I do it:oops: just wondered


I think it because the op is responsible for the acount hun! like you can be done for letting somebody borrowing your car knowing they have no insurance
#22
foxymissroxy
I think it because the op is responsible for the acount hun! like you can be done for letting somebody borrowing your car knowing they have no insurance


Account with who? I don't think I have an account:?
#23
hannah19790
Account with who? I don't think I have an account:?


lol blondie your internet provider account!!
#24
foxymissroxy
lol blondie your internet provider account!!


:oops: Ah right, yh course - lucky I don't do it then - [SIZE="1"][COLOR="Silver"]have I said thet already:-D[/COLOR][/SIZE]
#25
I'd go with the 'buy an original copy of the game' and tell them it's a backup- at worst the legal issues here are a grey area. If they go any futher just plead ignornace.
#26
the dandy p
I'd go with the 'buy an original copy of the game' and tell them it's a backup- at worst the legal issues here are a grey area. If they go any futher just plead ignornace.


So you often go and buy an original copy of a game and the sit and upload it to strangers on the net? :whistling:
#27
Best advice for future reference is don't use public torrent sites like mininova, isohunt etc - try and get an invite to a private tracker, as these aren't monitored like the public ones.
#28
the person that got sued addmited sharing the file
set your routers wireless to no security
deny all knowledge what a torrent is and let them prove it.
#29
djnaff
the person that got sued addmited sharing the file
set your routers wireless to no security
deny all knowledge what a torrent is and let them prove it.


Sorry..wouldnt work
You are the account holder..you are in control of your own network
#30
how long ago did u download the game?
#33
To me, this seems very similar to the PPC issue that is currently going on. I'm not sure if the account holder (like Registered Keeper) IS responsible for the downloads. They don't know WHO downloaded it.

I'd say they're sending out all these letters on a percentage game, knowing that many will just pay up to avoid going to court, just like the PPC's.

Do get solicitors advice on whether the account holder is liable. If not, do nothing, i'm sure the majority of cases won't even end up in court.
#34
Hi Is this just for DS games that are downloaded on to one of those cards? Sorry to sound vague, my sons friends dad downloads DS games for his son on to a card that is apparently very hard to get hold of but has been sighted on Ebay is you are quick to get them, I never have been. He has every game going where is I have to go out and buy them which is costly. Just wondered if he might be receiving a letter soon.
1 Like #35
Send them a letter back telling them that they are mistaken and you would never knowingly steal anything and that someone must have used entered your ip using a proxy site and that they are welcome to check my PC which recently broke due to a faulty hard drive but is working fine now.

Make sure you send a letter back to them though as ignoring it will make it worse and never use that program again for anything dodgy/ illegal
#36
How about writing back, say you are very sorry and completely unaware of such action being carried out (or even possible!) and you will punish "your 12 year old child" for this and then thank them for bringing it to your attention and ensure them that this practice will no longer contine from your "child".

Send them a cheque for the full RRP for the cost of the game ( say it came out of the childs pocket money )and ask them to accept this as a gesture of good will to close the matter.

You never know, it might just work!
1 Like #37
Wow, there are some extremely mis-informed legal experts on here. Dontasciime's response is one of only a few that are reasonable.

First up, AFAIK, not one contested claim has been proved. All where they won have been non-defended and found for the software company in default. Is that still the case?

It's not up to you prove you DID NOT download/share it us to them to provde you knowingly DID. Think this through, unless you live on your own, with a Fort Knox secure connection, and no visitors ever, I fail to see how they could ever prove it was specifically you albeit it may have been on your connection.

The accusations, assuming they are similar to the infamous Davenport Lyons ones, rest on evidence from internet tracking data from your ISP and specific "software" they use to track and download the offending IP addresses. Until you actually inspect the computer itself, how can they know if any specific person has committed an act of copyright infringement. How can you infrige copyright based simply on an IP address - they are not unique fingerprints and are able to be hijacked and misused without your knowledge. It isn't illegal to have an insecure internet connection.

The Copyright Act says that to be guilty you have to either infringe it yourself or authorise somebody else to infringe it.

There are even cases where prople have counter challenged and won costs from the software firm's representatives for wasted time leading to lost earnings. Think about it, if they mail 500 letters at £600 a go and only 10% of people sh1t themselves and respond that's a quick £30k, more than offsets any who don't respond or counter challenge. Imagine if that 10% number is higher though. There is more money in this than there is in selling the game itself by the looks of it.


All of that said, if you did infringe copyright and do this all the time and to the end of making money from it then you deserve everything you get. If this was a one off then perhaps the sentence isn't representative of the "crime". If it was me, and whether I did this or not, I would respond refuting the allegations and aks them to prove it was specifically ME - that's how the law works.

http://gareth.halfacree.co.uk/2008/12/davenport-lyons-and-porn
http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_room/room/view_article.asp?name=../articles/1217-P2P-Copyright-Infringement.htm
http://www.which.co.uk/news/2008/12/which-challenges-bullying-letters-163975.jsp
#38
I wouldn't reply at all, stephenc has confirmed, that this is an updated version of the Private Parking Company (PPC) scam. http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?autocom=ibwiki&cmd=article&id=56

I would ignore any paperwork unless a summons comes.
1 Like #39
If you hold on a bit, i've e-mailed an "Advisor on Criminal Law" to see what his view is, and i'll get back to you :thumbsup:
#40
Unfortunately he said that this isn't his field and couldn't advise. I'd try and find a forum with solicitors on so that you can get some free advice :)

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