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banned8y, 2m agoPosted 8 years, 2 months ago
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banned8y, 2m agoPosted 8 years, 2 months ago
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#1
strong words.
#2
Yeah there was one thread where a guy had a blocked Iphone and was told to sell it abroad on ebay and another where lying about having something delivered was discussed, Makes you wonder who is trustworthy,
#3
amen.
#4
anyone using a voucher which isnt valid should be hung,drawn and quartered-in fact,killings too good for them.

:whistling:
#5
I am not condoning it but isn't it a bit like claiming expenses. How many stick absolutely to the rules there
Sign of the times and reflection of society. They have been telling us for months that burglaries have gone up and today they have said that number of fraudulent claims have increased. That was my first thought.
#6
I think a crook is a crook and i certainly wouldnt think of dealing with someone on here who happily discusses crooked behaviour,
#7
anyone want some £7 notes, only a few left............
#8
imranmaz
Its easy to make fun but at the end of the day how is it different to you conning a shopkeeper out of a few quid by doing that changing money up trick?


no,honestly,I do see where you are coming from-thief is a very strong word to use though methinks.

everyone has their own idea of what passes as legitimate-I was shot down in flames on another forum for referring to ticket touts as thieves because it seems that many people believe that if the tickets were legitimately bought then to sell them at 6 times face value is "just business"

some people may say that for as long as the police use speeding fines as revenue gathering instruments and a cheap way to increase their conviction rates that trying to avoid such fines is legitimate.

thing is,there seems to be no "absolute morality" with many of these things-everyone has a line they will not cross-I think the argument goes far deeper than just branding someone a thief-think its more a moral than a legal discussion.
#9
I'd argue that 80% of speeding fines are highway robbery anyway - the police and councils involved imposing an extra tax on motorists - the majority of which are being fined for honest lapses in concentration, mistakes which humans make.

To brand them thieves for wanting to stand up for themselves for what may well be genuine cases is a little harsh to say the least.
#10
imranmaz
Erm, i dont... at the end of the day if you are scamming expenses then talk to your manager to get a payrise.. if you cant then get a better job.. if you cant then go and study to get a degree...

people should realise what it would feel like if someone did the same to them.


I said I wasnt condoning it. But I do think a parallel can be drawn between that and claiming expenses that could be iffy. Lots of more affluent people do that whereas coupons may be something used by those lower on the income scale
#11
imranmaz
The way i see it is dont do something that you would be ashamed of if the whole world knew... it serves me as a great moral compass...


and I do agree with you m8 but what,for instance about website misprices? if you see a deal posted here,everyone knows its a misprice but many will order anyways to see what happens,so therefore,by your logic that is theft then?

surely no difference between that and using a voucher in a supermarket wrongly?
#12
Wts Organs... Cheap.
banned#13
Luckily I buy all my software and films. I'd never think of illegaly downloading them! :whistling:

That would just be plain wrong!:p
#14
Agree, things aren't always black and white, there are shades of grey!

barky
and I do agree with you m8 but what,for instance about website misprices? if you see a deal posted here,everyone knows its a misprice but many will order anyways to see what happens,so therefore,by your logic that is theft then?

surely no difference between that and using a voucher in a supermarket wrongly?
#15
imranmaz;4944993
if they have a genuine case then that's fine. the thread i was talking about wasnt about that... they were trying to get out of a ticket. that is fraud.
also that lapse of concentration could have cost someone their life.


Which thread are you referring to? Not sure if it's the one I'm thinking of

John
#16
But I do agree. The stealing of topsoil is a definite hanging offence. But only after having their toenails pulled out first
#17
many people bend the rules in their favour when they can x x
#18
imranmaz
if they have a genuine case then that's fine. the thread i was talking about wasnt about that... they were trying to get out of a ticket. that is fraud.

when i said thief i was referring to the topsoil and vouchers (vouchers may be classed as fraud too)


Ah, ok, I wasn't aware of the thread (as you said, theres a few)

Misusing vouchers would be obtaining goods by fraudulent means, however, if a store issues a voucher - new customers, exsisting etc. I'd argue they have a duty to themselves to issue individual codes - allocated to the individual customer - instead of generic ones, if the discounts are meant for individuals - make the system protective of this type of abuse. If you leave a loophole, people will jump through it - its not right, but it will happen :)
#19
imranmaz;4945097
i dunno there was a guy that posted a thread asking for good letters to get him off a speeding fine.


That's the one I was thinking of but that was down to incorrect signage rather than a lapse in concentration, if the signage is indeed incorrect then the person is quite right to flag it up and not pay the penalty. I don't see challenging a NIP as being a 'thief' especially given the increasingly dubious pratices in use to get these convictions.

John
#20
imranmaz
wow mayne do stand up... srsly

:p
#21
imranmaz;4945167
what does incorrect signage mean?

The correct signs indicating the speed were not in place - the recent speeding thread I have in mind was where the person had been caught for doing over 30mph in a 30mph limit where it had recently changed from a 40mph limit. The person claimed that the signage was not correct however everyone just jumped on the bandwagon and flamed the guy instead for daring to try and question the NIP so the thread didn't really get anywhere.

The laws on the various signs required to indicate speed are very strict and if they've not been followed then the limit is unenforceable. Clearly there's little point in having a speed limit if it isn't clear what that speed actually is.

John
#22
have just read your post and must say I'm gutted with being called a theif,as far as I was aware tescos policy was that you could use any coupons (as others stated on my original thread) without buying the product the coupon was intended for.
I totally screwed up,hands held up on this one,I didnt realise the vouchers were copies in fact it never even crossed my mind they could be copies,its my own fault for trying to save a few £ and make things a little easier on myself its just totally backfired.
Thanks for your words of wisdom,i feel awful about the whole situation and just wish I hadnt relented and given my son one to use
1 Like #23
Mardyass
have just read your post and must say I'm gutted with being called a theif,as far as I was aware tescos policy was that you could use any coupons (as others stated on my original thread) without buying the product the coupon was intended for.
I totally screwed up,hands held up on this one,I didnt realise the vouchers were copies in fact it never even crossed my mind they could be copies,its my own fault for trying to save a few £ and make things a little easier on myself its just totally backfired.
Thanks for your words of wisdom,i feel awful about the whole situation and just wish I hadnt relented and given my son one to use


Dont take it too hard on yourself as i think you are more the victim of a scammer and was foolhardy rather than dishonest,:thumbsup:
#24
wickedteen;4944904
anyone want some £7 notes, only a few left............

would u swap them for some of my £6 coins ?
#25
tonyg1962
Yeah there was one thread where a guy had a blocked Iphone and was told to sell it abroad on ebay


IIRC, that may have been me.
Im pretty sure it had something to do with it being lost and blocked, but resurfaced again? :thinking:
If it was stolen, I wouldn't have advised anything! (I'm pretty sure no-one would admit to to having a stolen phone anyway!)
The only reason for advising to sell abroad as this is the only way it will work again (not for illegal reasons) I've no idea if a network provider can just unblock a phone anyway.......
#26
Should also include tax avoidance as another fraud........
Well thats a good section of the country implicated
#27
imranmaz
mardyass i'm not trying to preach here but it may have been the policy but i guess it was there for genuine mistakes on the customers part.. to avoid embarrassment in a public place that you would go to often. but to expliot that grace is where i would stop... you mentioned in your thread that you purposfully bought the voucher on ebay for your son to misuse in tescos.

I guess things like this is why tescos is removing this policy, and it may end up causing people that made genuine mistakes to get banned from tescos also.
I didnt purposely buy them for my son to use,I bought them for myself to use which I did with 2 of them and then gave me lad one when he asked for one,it doesnt matter who preaches now as the foolish mistake of using "copied" coupons has been done and i cant turn back the time now
#28
guv
Luckily I buy all my software and films. I'd never think of illegaly downloading them! :whistling:

That would just be plain wrong!:p

Still need an invite Imranmaz? :lol:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/353125/anyone-have-a-spare-iptorrent-invit/
#29
imranmaz
[SIZE="4"]BTW people i'm not saying i'm a saint i do heaps of things wrong too[/SIZE]


And I'm not bashing you either. But lots of grey areas. You might have tripped on a clod of earth and gone to sweep it up but someone acuses you of stealing topsoil :-D
#30
imranmaz
[SIZE="4"]BTW people i'm not saying i'm a saint i do heaps of things wrong too[/SIZE]


Lol yeah everyones gonna be watching you now ,
#31
imranmaz
you messed up the link a little... and no i got one thanks... that linux distro i was looking for had just enough seeds for me :thumbsup:


EPIC search though!


Tried to hyperlink the text.......didn't work! lol

I have nothing against you...don't worry :)
#32
mbgringo
I'd argue that 80% of speeding fines are highway robbery anyway - the police and councils involved imposing an extra tax on motorists - the majority of which are being fined for honest lapses in concentration, mistakes which humans make.


+1.

A policeman pulled me over the otherday because I was doing 40mph in a 30mph zone. He was going to give me a ticket but I told him that I would appeal and win and he said that that's true so he didn't bother issuing it.

I then asked him why is he wasting his time 'catching speeder' when he could be hunting down murderers etc. It shut him up.

Just before I pulled away in my Beemer, while he was still talking to me I put "N.W.A - F the police" on. He was like WTF?!?! I started laughing and gave him the 'evils'. He then looked like he had pooed his pants. I then drove faster than I was driving before.

BALLIN'.
#33
Ssshhh. He might fall asleep.......
#34
well done intens lol
#35
The JFK
+1.

A policeman pulled me over the otherday because I was doing 40mph in a 30mph zone. He was going to give me a ticket but I told him that I would appeal and win and he said that that's true so he didn't bother issuing it.

I then asked him why is he wasting his time 'catching speeder' when he could be hunting down murderers etc. It shut him up.

Just before I pulled away in my Beemer, while he was still talking to me I put "N.W.A - F the police" on. He was like WTF?!?! I started laughing and gave him the 'evils'. He then looked like he had pooed his pants. I then drove faster than I was driving before.

BALLIN'.


reported for spamming a very good discussion :)
#36
wickedteen
anyone want some £7 notes, only a few left............


Ill offer a trade for 2 £3.50 coins
#37
am i right in saying u are crying thief but u use torrent sites?
forgive me if im mistaken :D
no hate just wondering
#38
shosie
Ill offer a trade for 2 £3.50 coins


sorry guys only accepting £3.25 coins at the moment
#40

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