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banned7y, 8m agoPosted 7 years, 8 months ago
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banned7y, 8m agoPosted 7 years, 8 months ago
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#1
privatisation just makes services less dependable..

e.g. the train system
#2
why are they so crap?
#3
**** = awesome?
#4
i like the royal mail personally never had a problem with them. Doubt privitisation will be any different. If it was privatised I can guarentee a year later everyone would be wanting the 'good old days back'.

Grass is always greener...
#5
yeah coz privatisation is gonna help

shareholders after profits= cutbacks


they need to bring somebody in to run it properly, which is being looked at at the moment
#6
bykergrove
not at all, the train system + underground is a monopoly.

royalmail has DHL, citylink ect as competition.

underground sucks ass though too.. bring on hoverboards!


and the "owners" of "royal" mail will care so long as they're receiving their profits?

They'll run it into the ground x x
banned#7
bykergrove
problem with that is there are other competitors that can pick up the slack.

royalmail is well inefficient anyway so a kick up their *** would improve performance not reduce it.


It would also mean you would pay significantly more to send things to places outside of cities. Gotta help pay the shareholders somehow!
#8
bykergrove
problem with that is there are other competitors that can pick up the slack.

royalmail is well inefficient anyway so a kick up their *** would improve performance not reduce it.


so what.... how would privitisationm help anything?

obviously a capitalist
banned#9
privatisation wouldnt help

they need better mangement and better control over their staff (not that its there fault but you onlt need a few dodgy cogs in the machine)
[mod]#10
lol i get no post for a week then it sounds like they put a brick through my door! lol
#11
bykergrove
There are things that can be done to make sure they wont. the government could impose restrictions on asset stripping or even lease the postboxes/offices out instead of fully selling up.

point is the royal mail behaves like a monopoly in a market that it isnt. its rubbish and only running becasue the government owns it


this has been debated many times and the goverment werre planning to part privatise it a while ago.....not heard anything about it for agews tho

the public says no, and royal mail staff had a huge protest about it
#12
Maxitaxi
privatisation wouldnt help

they need better mangement and better control over their staff (not that its there fault but you onlt need a few dodgy cogs in the machine)


these are the usual traits of a monopoly
#13
"Privatisation" is just a Thatcherite spin word for de-nationalisation.

It is about the government making money from selling services that it should be putting money into to improve for the British people.

Privatisation won't help squat.

What did it ever do for the coal mining industry?
#14
bykergrove
thanks... as i said before they act like a monopoly in a market that they are not a true one.

I would bet my savings on them not changing their business model since other postal services were allowed to operate.


tbh i dont mind privatisation but there are some fundamental to be resolved:
a) post boxes. A new system will need to be made, this also applies for post offices (think 10 post offices on a street?!)
b) price issues. Lets face it - if rm was to be privatised, i seriously think that prices will rise, especially letters (due to less economies of scale even with competition) in exchange for a more efficient service. Whether the payoff is better... well i couldnt calculate that
#15
I get stuff all the from way Hong Kong, only to be delivered to the wrong number, by Mr Pat and his cat! :cry:

Everyone sing along now : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ-CQEF5Or4:p
#16
Im just getting annoyed with the price going up for postage every so often for cutbacks in service.
i mean i can understand when there was a massive increase in fuel price, but that has come down and they still jike the prices. RM doesnt need privitisation, it needs competition.
#17
Worked in management within royal mail a few years back, trust me NONE of the competitors can come close to setting up an end to end letter delivery network and keep anything close to the current royal mail prices, the stamped mail operation of royal mail is a complete loss making business, its done purely as a gesture to the public by the government, RM makes its money elsewhere certainly not through stamps where it loses millions per year, and as for getting a weeks worth of mail in one day, i doubt it, i saw postmen sacked on the spot for not clearing their delivery frame every morn :thumbsup:
#18
Jetpac
Im just getting annoyed with the price going up for postage every so often for cutbacks in service.
i mean i can understand when there was a massive increase in fuel price, but that has come down and they still jike the prices. RM doesnt need privitisation, it needs competition.


The government needs to start putting money into the services that benefit the people, rather than paying expenses for x-rated movies and second homes!
#19
Jetpac
Im just getting annoyed with the price going up for postage every so often for cutbacks in service.
i mean i can understand when there was a massive increase in fuel price, but that has come down and they still jike the prices. RM doesnt need privitisation, it needs competition.


privatisation can bring that
I dont think a hybrid of competition with one of the companies handled by the government will work.
I mean, would it be fair?
#20
Fair??

It's business.

If you can't find a way to make it work... don't put your money into it.
#21
ClarityofMind
The government needs to start putting money into the services that benefit the people, rather than paying expenses for x-rated movies and second homes!


thats obviously true, no doubt about it :thumbsup:
We all can agree that the gov is putting money in RM to benefit people right?
But is it getting any results?
I mean if the gov puts 10 mil in RM, is it really benefiting the people by 10 mil?
RM's deteriorating service surely tests this fact and if it remains that way, then there will definately be more people in favour of privatisation.
If you realised, some letters are now handle by UKmail, so some UK businesses (who used RM before) are no longer benefiting from this 10 mil. So its wasted somewhere (all things being equal)
Even worse when we consider parcels. Anyone still use RM? Its all about Parcel2go or something and so these folks are not benefiting the 10 mil.
Signs like this shows that the output of benefits have decreased since, say, 5 years ago.
So is it still worth putting 10 mil in RM this year? Not forgetting to mention that RM decided to hire less responsible people (or so I hear as a rumour) to cut costs for this as well as a fall in the "letters" market.

Spoke too much now lolol :p
#22
kungfu
Worked in management within royal mail a few years back, trust me NONE of the competitors can come close to setting up an end to end letter delivery network and keep anything close to the current royal mail prices, the stamped mail operation of royal mail is a complete loss making business, its done purely as a gesture to the public by the government, RM makes its money elsewhere certainly not through stamps where it loses millions per year, and as for getting a weeks worth of mail in one day, i doubt it, i saw postmen sacked on the spot for not clearing their delivery frame every morn :thumbsup:


good post x x
#23
ClarityofMind
Fair??

It's business.

If you can't find a way to make it work... don't put your money into it.


exactly, so there wouldnt be competition anyway even if you wanted to...
#24
Artonox
exactly, so there wouldnt be competition anyway even if you wanted to...


I didn't encourage the idea of competition....

I think that government owned companies should be run well out of PRIDE in our nation, and because the government pays it's workers well.

Be nice wouldn't it?

If teacher's were happy to go to work, and nurses felt like they received a good wage and postal workers greeted you with a smile...

Oh wait our one does anyway :)
#25
Artonox

If you realised, some letters are now handle by UKmail, so some UK businesses (who used RM before) are no longer benefiting from this 10 mil. So its wasted somewhere (all things being equal)


No, them letters are not 'handled' by UK mail etc, it works like this.... companies such as UK mail , tnt etc, bid for contracts on huge business mail accounts like tesco etc, they collect the mail from tesco, sort it into 'regions' (pretty easy thing to do) then guess where they deliver it? Nope not to the customer as it would cost too much.... they drop the mail off at a royal mail sorting centre for finer detailed sorting then delivery, the government allows this at a ridiculous price making it yet another loss maker for RM :w00t:
#26
ClarityofMind
I didn't encourage the idea of competition....

I think that government owned companies should be run well out of PRIDE in our nation, and because the government pays it's workers well.


This depends on the integriy of the workers. RM hires some foreigners now. And plus, whether they will work "out of their pride" is a bit subjective. I doubt people will work for "pride" over their comfort they bought some money for the family
#27
bykergrove
this chain has lost me...?

the royal mail only operates as it does because it gets fed by the government with our money...

ok we may pay less for certain services but there is a hidden cost when our tax money goes into it too.

btw i think RM is crap but the underground n trains are the WORSTTTTTTTTTTTTT something really needs to be done about it...cause the whole thing is a failure


I think what we want to establish is the fact that we want to put RM with come competition, but keep RM publicly operated.
Im just justifying that it is v.likely that it aint gonna happen
#28
I live in London.. I know the underground is **** lol no argument there! Oh wait... it's privately owned!
#29
Artonox
This depends on the integriy of the workers. RM hires some foreigners now. And plus, whether they will work "out of their pride" is a bit subjective. I doubt people will work for "pride" over their comfort they bought some money for the family


I didnt say pride alone silly!! I said AND are paid well!

And a "foreigner" is just as likely to have moral integrity as a British Citizen in my book x x
#30
bykergrove
and then RM sits on it for a good few days... throws some of the mail away and then turn up late and give you the bits and bobs left over...gee thanks!


as i said..mail is NOT held in the office when its due delivery and is a sackable offence, the day your mail is delivered, it came into that depot the night before :thumbsup:
#31
"I have always made it clear that my approach to the modernisation of the underground would be based on three principles. First, there must be no privatisation; secondly, safety must not be compromised; and thirdly, the contracts must offer value for money."(Stephen Byers, House Of Commons - Statement on London Underground, 7 February 2002)

Gotta love it.
#32
ClarityofMind
I didnt say pride alone silly!! I said AND are paid well!

And a "foreigner" is just as likely to have moral integrity as a British Citizen in my book x x


ic...
even if they were paid well, if they output the same workload (and good quality) for the money then its money well spent. I don't think we are getting it. This the result of monopoly, similar to the underground.
#33
kungfu
No, them letters are not 'handled' by UK mail etc, it works like this.... companies such as UK mail , tnt etc, bid for contracts on huge business mail accounts like tesco etc, they collect the mail from tesco, sort it into 'regions' (pretty easy thing to do) then guess where they deliver it? Nope not to the customer as it would cost too much.... they drop the mail off at a royal mail sorting centre for finer detailed sorting then delivery, the government allows this at a ridiculous price making it yet another loss maker for RM :w00t:


hmm ic...
so basically the "collecting and sorting" is done by a private company and the "sending" is done by RM?

So do Tesco has a choice of letting either RM or UKMail do the "collecting and sorting"?
#34
bykergrove
so this guy sent me a disc last week and it never turned up. someone else sent another disc first class recorded yesterday, [COLOR="Red"]its still at the post office that he gave it into.
[/COLOR]

buy whaaaaaaay?


(I bet i dont get it till tuesday)


Who told you that?
#35
bykergrove
it says on the tracking thingy


Recorded deliveries are not updated until they are delivered, often not even then.
#36
Services that make living within our society a better place to be and improve our quality of life, shouldn't be run in terms of the profits they make. They should be there for the benefit of the people.

Royal mail will have to compete with the ever increasingly used email and digital communication systems. We don't want to lose it completely do we? It shouldn't be de-nationalised.

Our NHS, our education system, our postal service, such things are the family silver. What our forefathers fought for. The right to be British. You sell them off, you never get them back.
#37
I'm pretty sure Royal Mail is private already, am I right?

EDIT: A quick google search tells me the Government own it, but don't run it. RM is still part of a PLC.
[mod]#38
kungfu
Worked in management within royal mail a few years back, trust me NONE of the competitors can come close to setting up an end to end letter delivery network and keep anything close to the current royal mail prices, the stamped mail operation of royal mail is a complete loss making business, its done purely as a gesture to the public by the government, RM makes its money elsewhere certainly not through stamps where it loses millions per year, and as for getting a weeks worth of mail in one day, i doubt it, i saw postmen sacked on the spot for not clearing their delivery frame every morn :thumbsup:


i have had to wait a week a few times actually:? and yes i have complained and funny enough the next day i get all my mail
#39
bykergrove
it was meant to be delivered today. there was no involvement of tnt or whoever... only RM.

hence the thread title /\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\//\/\/\/\/


It was not meant to be delivered today, you will not be able to show anyone anywhere where you had this promise.

You have no idea where the item is still at the Post Office where it was posted from unless someone in that office has said so.
#40
iCodd
I'm pretty sure Royal Mail is private already, am I right?


Royal Mail is the national postal service of the United Kingdom. Royal Mail Holdings plc owns Royal Mail Group Limited, which in turn operates the brands Royal Mail (UK letters), Parcelforce Worldwide (UK parcels) and General Logistics Systems. Post Office Ltd., which provides counter services, is a wholly owned subsidiary.

Royal Mail Holdings is a public limited company in which the Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform owns 50,004 ordinary shares plus 1 special share, and the Treasury Solicitor holds 1 ordinary share.[1]

Historically, the General Post Office was a government department which included the Royal Mail delivery business, represented in government by the Postmaster General, a Cabinet-level post. It became the Post Office, a state-owned corporation, in 1969.[2] Most of the duties were passed to Consignia plc in November 2001,[3] and the old Post Office was dissolved in 2007.[3] Consignia changed to Consignia Holdings plc, then Royal Mail Holdings plc, the current name.[4]

Royal Mail was not privatised in the 1980s and 1990s, but remains a limited company owned by the UK government.- Wikipaedia

short answer.... no dear lol

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