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banned#1
Crikey! Thats a shock!
banned#2
sooner or later, someone famous will get one, that will change some minds then

it's just the 21st century's version of taping songs off the radio
banned#3
dcx_badass
I think it's going to erupt soon, filesharing was found legal in Spain the other day.


I wonder if the BBC will get closed down for their part in filesharing!

To be fair, I've always wondered how usenet gets away with it!
banned#4
usenet, either as it is hosted by the isp, so they would be more liable, so they cover it up!, also no-one else can see who is downloading except the usenet provider

or the usenet provider is in a country which doesnt comply
banned#5
massmail666
also ssl encryption mate :thumbsup:, not 100% uncrackable but im sure there's some laws to stop anti-piracy/ur isp from decrypting them etc. (data protection maybe? oh the irony :))


That's not the issue though. Its easy enough to know whats held on the servers on a usenet host.

Remember, Demon got done for not removing a usenet post that a user found insulting. I'm at a loss why Microsoft etc etc etc havent issued a summons to demand the removal of anything thats theirs for example.
banned#6
dcx_badass
And to find out what you've got they have to go through the UK courts to get permission to go through the swiss courts to get RS to release it anyway.


If its not encrypted, ISPs are capable of detecting what it is you are downloading.
#7
The record labels/movie companies/legal firms are only getting the downloaded details from torrents... rapidshare should be "safe".... for now...
#8
I'd love to hear a lawyers view on this, on these letters from a company hired by MPAA/RIAA and emails being, (legally?) forwarded from ISPs to their customers.

a) what right do the ISPs have to forward such UNREQUESTED FOREIGN MATERIAL???

b) How powerful evidence is that has been produced by an agency from foreign soil on what is a potentially minor crime

c) What happened to innocent before proven guilty?!?!?

The above poster makes a point, Software and other companies could easily be suing all sorts of Datacentres for hosting files breaking their copyrights/intellectual properties etc.

The tories? Expect a stealth tax tbh, ie pay £300 or get disconnected.
#9
Couldn't the ISP's/Usenet servers help by not maintaining (long term) logs, maybe only 24 hours. I should imagine without file sharing, internet traffic would drop by 75%, the bottom will drop out of the market for large file storage, media server type devices, wireless n etc! :)
#10
BlackCloud;8135731
Couldn't the ISP's/Usenet servers help by not maintaining (long term) logs, maybe only 24 hours. I should imagine without file sharing, internet traffic would drop by 75%, the bottom will drop out of the market for large file storage, media server type devices, wireless n etc! :)


P2P has basically led the ongoing expansion in broadband internet access.

Without it you'd maybe have a second dot.com boom/bust scenario and thousands would lose their job, or would they, the current dsl/cable systems are the only affordable ones in place and we;d continue using it just not to same bandwidth demands.
This industry with too much growth would probably just plateau, but no doomsday would come imo.
banned#11
dcx_badass
I know they are, talk talk don't care, they told them to get lost and said its not their job. And my current ISP is only for students and I've done 20GB in a day and they've not said anything, I honestly couldn't care less.


See this is exactly the attitude that they need to change.

Maybe it's my upbringing or the industry I'm involved in, but I just think that if you consume something that someone or many people have made then you kind of owe them some money.

And as you can tell from most of my posts, I'm a major-league jerk in so many ways.

But I just think enjoying anything without paying for it, or compensating the person who made it is kinda uncool.
banned#12
dcx_badass
I don't, I buy loads of stuff, it just has to be decent and I'll buy it.


So you download 20 gigs and then buy it afterwards?:?

Sounds convoluted. If you see a film and it's rubbish, complain and get your money back. Or get an unlimited card for a cinema and then pay a flat rate.

Not sure about music - Spotify is free. Heck,for £10 a month you can listen to unlimited music, take it on your mobile:?

So I'm kinda confused as to what the point is.
banned#13
dcx_badass
If it's good then yes I'll buy it.


But if it isn't, you've still consumed someone's work without compensating them for it:?

Which is kinda the point.

I just think if you're tech-savvy enough to sort out downloading from newsgroups, then you could probably find places that legally stream albums, often in advance of their release.
banned#14
dcx_badass
I don't use newsgroups. And if I'm legally streaming it, why does it make a difference how I listen to it. And I'm not consuming anything. If you consume a piece of bread, then after the bread has gone, if I listen to some music nothing has gone, it's all still there.


Yes, you are.

If you're legally streaming it from Spotify then you're agreeing to 'consume' ads or pay for the privilege.

If you're streaming Contra from the Vampire Weekend site then you're listening to it in a method that the band and label are cool with.

The simple fact is that if everyone downloaded music, films and tv from torrents or newsgroups, then where's the incentive to invest?

You may say that there will always be people who want to buy stuff and that's true.

But the adults of tomorrow are the kids of today who have been brought up to think that you don't have to pay someone for consuming their work. So that balance of payers/downloaders will inevitably slide.
#15
FilthAndFurry
So you download 20 gigs and then buy it afterwards?:?

Sounds convoluted. If you see a film and it's rubbish, complain and get your money back. Or get an unlimited card for a cinema and then pay a flat rate.

Not sure about music - Spotify is free. Heck,for £10 a month you can listen to unlimited music, take it on your mobile:?

So I'm kinda confused as to what the point is.


Stranger things have happened.

I don't really download music as it's TV that fills most of my bandwidth. Since I started downloading, the number of TV box sets I own has increased many fold as i've gotten used to watching when I want.

As an example I downloaded an episode of criminal minds and enjoyed it so went out an purchased all four available series.
banned#16
Ungreat

As an example I downloaded an episode of criminal minds and enjoyed it so went out an purchased all four available series.


And that's a great argument for content providers putting more stuff online for free.

I watched Peep Show on 4oD and bought the whole boxset so I totally get your point.

I also agree that in the 'Napster days' the downloaders had a point. The business model was flawed, the companies were charging too much and not moving with the times.

But I think they've actually done a good job - I'll give you an example - Ellie Goulding's new album.

Loads of hype, so they release a song for free on iTunes, the whole album can be streamed from Spotify and it was even free on SkySongs.
#17
The situation is improving, but there's still a long way to go (with regards to legal sources of digital music).

If a legal, complete library of music can be tapped for say £10 per month, with UNLIMITED downloads of ALL music, then I'm in.

They'd still be making more money than they currently do... With CDs still available for those who want etc. iTunes might suffer a little though. Their arguement is that "piracy" results in millions of lost revenue (in fact, it's millions of revenue they wouldn't get anyway) so why not get a monthly rate for the same activities, thus making money, keeping us legal and everything is fab and groovy?
#18
DragonChris
The situation is improving, but there's still a long way to go (with regards to legal sources of digital music).

If a legal, complete library of music can be tapped for say £10 per month, with UNLIMITED downloads of ALL music, then I'm in.

They'd still be making more money than they currently do... With CDs still available for those who want etc. iTunes might suffer a little though. Their arguement is that "piracy" results in millions of lost revenue (in fact, it's millions of revenue they wouldn't get anyway) so why not get a monthly rate for the same activities, thus making money, keeping us legal and everything is fab and groovy?


But that will never work as you will pay for one month and download a lot of what is avalible but the will stop paying after that. Plus think of how you would distribute the money between and record labels and if you download 10,000 songs so you be paying 0.1p per song which is nothing so these solution is unworkable. At the moment if I want to buy the los campesino album is would cost £5 to download which is a very resonable price for a brand new album and stream it free on spotify.
banned#19
dananana
But that will never work as you will pay for one month and download a lot of what is avalible but the will stop paying after that. Plus think of how you would distribute the money between and record labels and if you download 10,000 songs so you be paying 0.1p per song which is nothing so these solution is unworkable. At the moment if I want to buy the los campesino album is would cost £5 to download which is a very resonable price for a brand new album and stream it free on spotify.


This is the thing - albums used to be expensive compared to what they are now. £7 for a brand new album is great value.

Anyone can plead that they 'wouldn't have bought it so the companies aren't losing out'. But there are plenty of ways to 'try before you buy', be it streaming the album, listening to tracks on itunes, listening to tracks on myspace or the bands website or just plain old airplay.
#20
wow, people still use Myspace?
Welcome to 1998
banned#21
Attributing file sharing to the demise of the entertainment industries is like blaming man for global warming!
#22
I think its stupid, its the people who upload the things and provide the links are the people who should get punished.

Anyway time to learn how to set up a proxy
#23
dananana
But that will never work as you will pay for one month and download a lot of what is avalible but the will stop paying after that. Plus think of how you would distribute the money between and record labels and if you download 10,000 songs so you be paying 0.1p per song which is nothing so these solution is unworkable. At the moment if I want to buy the los campesino album is would cost £5 to download which is a very resonable price for a brand new album and stream it free on spotify.


The point is there is still revenue generated. At the moment, 10,000 songs gets NOTHING.

I'd rather have £10 x 10,000,000+ than nothing...


I spend more on going to see a band live than I would on buying their discography anyway - if they would all get off their behinds and come over here, they'd make a mint.


However, live gig costs have gone up too, so there's another way of generating income...
#24
dont matter the house of lawds have agreed piracy needs to be cut

legislation will be coming very soon

a load of crap coz its all been written for the record industry who have been ripping us off for years and are missing all those huge margins................... not the average joe bloggs which they should be representing

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