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#1
I don't think many people in the South would have voted for them as long as they had Brown in charge.
banned#2
the2ocan;8617921
I don't think many people in the South would have voted for them as long as they had Brown in charge.

why?:?
#3
well i cant wait to see the posh boys fall out
there is going to be some right bitch figthing
and the whole country will suffer
lol
better red then dead
#4
RFC;8618109
why?:?

I know people who would have happily have voted for Tony Blair who were against Gordon Brown because his 'image' was not as presentable in their eyes.
imo, there are a lot of people like that. People who would never listen to the arguments because they were put off by the presentation.
I think that lost labour a lot of votes immediately. If not to other parties, at least enough to stop them from going out to vote.
I personally dont agree with this but think it is something that the Labour party should be aware of when selecting a future 'leader'. I think there is room for a wide variety of viewpoints in a party but a leader needs to appeal to a broad church and ideally have a degree of charisma.
#5
I dont really believe that the next election whenever that will be, will end up in a hung parliament. However it would be wise to give the subject some real thought, just in case the recent result is the start of a new trend.
#6
RFC
why?:?


Because he's not a leader. He was fine as Chancellor and when it comes to the economy he know's his stuff, but when it comes to public speaking and general social skills he's extremely poor.
#7
the2ocan;8618359
Because he's not a leader. He was fine as Chancellor and when it comes to the economy he know's his stuff, but when it comes to public speaking and general social skills he's extremely poor.

Sadly, I am in full agreement with you.
Labour need to bear in mind that its not just a candiadate that appeals to the unions that they need to elect. If they ever want to be in government again they must select someone who can muster wider appeal.
#8
It's sad isn't it that we are so obsessed with what people look like and how much 'appeal' they have rather than their ability to do a job.
banned#9
the2ocan;8618359
Because he's not a leader. He was fine as Chancellor and when it comes to the economy he know's his stuff, but when it comes to public speaking and general social skills he's extremely poor.

personally i would rather have a pm who was good with the economy of the country ,rather than some toff that wouldnt look out of place in comet or pcworld selling crap.
banned#10
rose_cat_jr;8618423
It's sad isn't it that we are so obsessed with what people look like and how much 'appeal' they have rather than their ability to do a job.

agree with that!
#11
RFC;8618425
personally i would rather have a pm who was good with the economy of the country ,rather than some toff that wouldnt look out of place in comet or pcworld selling crap.

RFC;8618430
agree with that!

I do actually agree with both of you. But I think that in the media age image IS important.
#12
The cameron machine can spin all he likes, but its his fellow mps (& cleggs) that will make the real decisions. There are big rifts already and thats not good for anyone.
#13
Just prior to the election, I was watching an episode of Bremner Bird and Fortune. There was a sketch comparing Gordon Brown and Boris Johnson. Making the point that both of them seemed a little creased at times.
One of the reasons that I think Boris gets away with it so easily is because he laughs things off and is prepared to laugh at himself. Gordon never quite had that ability, or didnt portray it. As such he came across as remote.
#14
Wotwot123;8618487
It's not his fault every paper was slating him.

Fully agree with that as well. I think it says a huge ammount that he managed to make it such a close contest in the end. I dont believe that this was a huge shift to the tories at all
banned#15
Because he's not a leader. He was fine as Chancellor and when it comes to the economy he know's his stuff, but when it comes to public speaking and general social skills he's extremely poor.



He borrowed on our behalf 1.5 trillion pounds. Does anyone really not understand just how much that is?

He has knackered us, we will be repaying this for the next 20 years,

As a Chancellor he was useless. He promised no boom and bust, prudence etc and failed to deliver.
banned#16
robertkay
well i cant wait to see the posh boys fall out
there is going to be some right bitch figthing
and the whole country will suffer
lol
better red then dead


This is just the bitter little thinking I can't really understand - we're in a state as a country, so I want the people in charge to succeed whatever party they belong to.

And people who voted Lib Dem have got some Lib Dem policies and members of the cabinet, so some may well be happy with it.
banned#17
FilthAndFurry;8618523
This is just the bitter little thinking I can't really understand - we're in a state as a country, so I want the people in charge to succeed whatever party they belong to.

And people who voted Lib Dem have got some Lib Dem policies and members of the cabinet, so some may well be happy with it.

lib dems,lol i will forever see them as tory puppets,never as a party of their own!
banned#18
i voted labour but we have got clegg and cameron so they have my backing because obviously i want them to sort the country as well as they can so there is no point ranting about them

although with a government named ConDem not sure where its gonna get us lol

people wanting them to fail or fall out, its like supporting england but then because the manager gets changed to someone you dont like you start wanting them to lose. silly really. in the end if they fail its us that suffer, we will probably suffer if they dont fail but hey maybe not as much
banned#19
RFC
lib dems,lol i will forever see them as tory puppets,never as a party of their own!


They got the first chance in recent history to directly affect policy - they've taken it and already they've put some of their manifesto pledges on tax in place.

We also have stable government (at the moment) which is good for the markets.

Labour were knackered - 13 years in power does that. They now have to regroup and find a new leader to provide good opposition.
#20
Wotwot123
It's not his fault every paper was slating him.


:whistling:

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#21
Mallinersha;8618664
:whistling:

So why do you think your guy did so badly then considering he started with such a good lead?
#22
WoolyM
So why do you think your guy did so badly then considering he started with such a good lead?


My guy?
#23
Mallinersha;8618686
My guy?

Always took you to be a tory supporter
#24
WoolyM
Always took you to be a tory supporter


No, I used to be Labour until Brown/Mandelson made the country bankrupt and took away more of my human rights.


I support no one, they're all in it for themselves.


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banned#25
RFC;8618425
personally i would rather have a pm who was good with the economy of the country ,rather than some toff that wouldnt look out of place in comet or pcworld selling crap.

Irony, much :-D
#26
csiman;8618722
Irony, much :-D

yes, it was actually the bathroom department at selfridges
banned#27
toshapetriji;8618511
He borrowed on our behalf 1.5 trillion pounds. Does anyone really not understand just how much that is?

He has knackered us, we will be repaying this for the next 20 years,

As a Chancellor he was useless. He promised no boom and bust, prudence etc and failed to deliver.

Spot on! Same old story in that labour shaft the country into massive debt and the tories come in and spend 10 years+ trying to sort out the mess. I fear the mess maybe too large for anyone to sort out this time though
#28
csiman;8618739
Spot on! Same old story in that labour shaft the country into massive debt and the tories come in and spend 10 years+ trying to sort out the mess. I fear the mess maybe too large for anyone to sort out this time though

isnt it in fact one of your new team that refered to the bankers as 'scargill in pinstripes' in the way they are ransoming the country.
#29
toshapetriji
He borrowed on our behalf 1.5 trillion pounds. Does anyone really not understand just how much that is?

He has knackered us, we will be repaying this for the next 20 years,

As a Chancellor he was useless. He promised no boom and bust, prudence etc and failed to deliver.


See this is the one thing I don't get, people moaning that ConDem may cut this, that or the other.

What choice do they have? The NHS, defence, education, welfare has had money thrown at it and now look at our debt! It's all on hock, the country can't afford to keep funding all this stuff on the never never.

mummytomeadow
i voted labour but we have got clegg and cameron so they have my backing because obviously i want them to sort the country as well as they can so there is no point ranting about them

although with a government named ConDem not sure where its gonna get us lol

people wanting them to fail or fall out, its like supporting england but then because the manager gets changed to someone you dont like you start wanting them to lose. silly really. in the end if they fail its us that suffer, we will probably suffer if they dont fail but hey maybe not as much


Exactly I really hope this govt stays strong for a while sorts the debt out or starts to, give Labour a chance to re-group, I don't want the coalition to fail, not because I voted Tory, but because I want the country sorted.
banned#30
WoolyM;8618757
isnt it in fact one of your new team that refered to the bankers as 'scargill in pinstripes' in the way they are ransoming the country.

correct me if I am wrong, but we didnt give the banks free money. It was loans in return for shares in them. Even darling stated we could well make a big profit from the loans.

The money GB robbed from everyone's pension funds since 1997 is gone forever, as is half the nations gold reserves which he sold off at a relative all time low ($400, now $1100). I could go on all day about the economic mistakes he has made which has cost the country billions but I would just get met with tl;dr :-D
banned#31
csiman;8618722
Irony, much :-D

ffs lads ,open your eyes it is not just britain that is in soapy bubble,it is worldwide ,blame the bankers if you want a scapegoat but please look at the bigger picture,jeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz................:roll:
#32
RFC
ffs lads ,open your eyes it is not just britain that is in soapy bubble,it is worldwide ,blame the bankers if you want a scapegoat but please look at the bigger picture,jeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz................:roll:


Yeah but to be fair we were in major hock even in the "boom" times.............
banned#33
RFC;8618852
ffs lads ,open your eyes it is not just britain that is in soapy bubble,it is worldwide ,blame the bankers if you want a scapegoat but please look at the bigger picture,jeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz................:roll:

see previous post. You seem to be the one who needs to open your eyes if you seriously believe GB was good for the economy, recession or not!
#34
How about any of the following labour adverts?
"Legal aid to all our greedy pig in the trough Mp's"
"Work in the private sector? can you afford it under us?"
"do you like revolving doors? Well commit a crime our prisons operate many."


Lets be honest as per the 70's labour have been disastrous for the economy and it is going to take 10-15 years of hard work and cuts to sort this mess out. No doubt though Labour will be voted back in once the garden is rosy
banned#35
csiman;8619060
see previous post. You seem to be the one who needs to open your eyes if you seriously believe GB was good for the economy, recession or not!

so easy to blame one person aint it..
well lets see if dc makes any a better job of it..oh and
iam not a labour supporter by any stretch of the imagination,btw
banned#36
so easy to blame one person aint it..
well lets see if dc makes any a better job of it..oh and
iam not a labour supporter by any stretch of the imagination,btw


Well DC is not going to make life any better.

GB borrowed so much money that we have no option but to make severe cuts in order to repay these loans.
Don´t blame this new coalition though, blame the party that got us into this mess.

What peeves me is the amount of people that just don´t realise the mess we are in. They vote from habit without even looking into the facts.

If you borrow money it has to be paid back.
#37
toshapetriji
Well DC is not going to make life any better.

GB borrowed so much money that we have no option but to make severe cuts in order to repay these loans.
Don´t blame this new coalition though, blame the party that got us into this mess.

What peeves me is the amount of people that just don´t realise the mess we are in. They vote from habit without even looking into the facts.

If you borrow money it has to be paid back.


what you mean the conservatives?

Labour having to invest in everything because the tories didnt

gonna be the same story at the next election when labour get back in

more stuff to fix and re-invest in
banned#38

toshapetriji:
Well DC is not going to make life any better.

GB borrowed so much money that we have no option but to make severe cuts in order to repay these loans.
Don´t blame this new coalition though, blame the party that got us into this mess.

What peeves me is the amount of people that just don´t realise the mess we are in. They vote from habit without even looking into the facts.

If you borrow money it has to be paid back.
what you mean the conservatives?

Labour having to invest in everything because the tories didnt

gonna be the same story at the next election when labour get back in

more stuff to fix and re-invest in



Just how do you propose we repay this?
#39
casparwhite
what you mean the conservatives?

Labour having to invest in everything because the tories didnt

gonna be the same story at the next election when labour get back in

more stuff to fix and re-invest in

It's a strange cyclic thing.........tories save the pennies,labour spend it.... ad infinitum!!

Seems odd also that very many countries around the world have simultaneously had bad administrations in power to make an equal mess of their economies also
#40
toshapetriji
Just how do you propose we repay this?


im not a politician not my forte i dont know enough about what goes on behind the scenes or any of the figures etc so i couldnt even make an educated guess


seems there are some people who have forgotten that the tories sold everything off and left no assestts but gold.......yes its worth more now but when it was sold it was a good price.....benefit of hindsight eh

but lets not forget the under investment in everything under the tories

if we all knew what the markets were gonna do wed all be millionaires now wouldnt we

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