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6y, 11m agoPosted 6 years, 11 months ago
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#1
There is the CRB - but that is not much to do with the police...
#2
It's all due to change very soon too we'll all be signed up to a new database
#3
CRB, also normally the employer does it, or in some cases in the application they ask for it even if your not successfull!
#5
There,s two forms of the CRB, the normal CRB and an enhanced CRB. Usually to work with kids you have to get the enhanced version.
#6
I would suggest getting someone else to fill it in.
#7
you cant do the crb enhanced or otherwise yourself, it has to be done by an organisation like a school, and they pay for it. Our school renews every 3 years.
#8
iNSOMANiAC;7141936
I would suggest getting someone else to fill it in.

Alright nige?
#9
Don't you think its sad that we are presumed to be child molesters these days so we have to do a CRB check.
banned#10
Ub40..
#11
bod emrys
Worth getting done now, as of July 2010 you'll have to register with the Independent Safeguarding Authority (more paperwork).
If you've already had a CRB check before this date you won't be required to register with the isa staright away unless you move jobs.

More info here


Not only more paperwork, reportedly gonna be more cost too!
#12
i think if you need it for your job etc then they should pay, ive worked in a few care homes and you need a crb and pova check and i think there about £50 and ive had to pay for it myself which i dont think is fair, if its compulsary then it should be the company who pay. also i think if you move jobs then you have to get another even if you only had one done the same year, well thats what happened with me 2years ago.
banned#13
Who on earth would want you anywhere near their kids!!!!!!
banned#14
mikebike
Don't you think its sad that we are presumed to be child molesters these days so we have to do a CRB check.


Are you a child molester?

Why would you object to filling in a simple form that helps to ensure the safety of children?
#15
i think its a good thing, but what about all the child molesterers who havent been caught and can still have a crb check so nothing will show up and then they can still get a job and work with children anyway.
#16
raptorcigs
I THINK THIS CHECK IS A GOOD THING


I am not saying its bad rappy it just assumes we are all child molestors if we don't have the check. But if that's the way things are going these days well we have to embrace it I just think its sad.
#17
dimebars
Are you a child molester?

Why would you object to filling in a simple form that helps to ensure the safety of children?


Of course not and I resent your accusation. I have High level security clearence that is far higher than CRB. The point that I am trying to make is that we are presumed to be child molesters if we do not have the check. Its endemic in this society that we all run around scared of each other
#18
mikebike
I am not saying its bad rappy it just assumes we are all child molestors if we don't have the check. But if that's the way things are going these days well we have to embrace it I just think its sad.


I have had CRB checks done for oh... since '97 so... over 12 yrs now, nearly 13.

I warn my kids if they're naughty I'll know about it because everyone close to me has to be CRB checked too so soon as each of them are 16 they have to be checked too, so it's handy as a threat for me......lol

I don't mind having them done really as why shouldn't we be checked up on to reassure others? Personally they can chip me like a dog if they want and have all the info they care for on my whereabouts and my activities... I couldn't give a monkeys :) xx
#19
ClarityofMind
I have had CRB checks done for oh... since '97 so... over 12 yrs now, nearly 13.

I warn my kids if they're naughty I'll know about it because everyone close to me has to be CRB checked too so soon as each of them are 16 they have to be checked too, so it's handy as a threat for me......lol

I don't mind having them done really as why shouldn't we be checked up on to reassure others? Personally they can chip me like a dog if they want and have all the info they care for on my whereabouts and my activities... I couldn't give a monkeys :) xx


Hi COM,

I agree with all you say I just feel sad that we all have to be scared of each other. Thats the point I was trying to make:?
#20
As of July you will need the ISA check too, this not only shows up any convictions but also any events of you being accused of something even if charges weren't brought against you, or you were found to be innocent, this information can then be used to decide if you should be working with children or vunerable adults. I feel that this is a step too far as you are giving some administrator the power of judge and jury, even when you have never been formally convicted of anything.
#21
mikebike
Hi COM,

I agree with all you say I just feel sad that we all have to be scared of each other. Thats the point I was trying to make:?


So many people in the world though hun don't have the same morals as you xxx

We have to protect others from that xx
#22
sparxuk
As of July you will need the ISA check too, this not only shows up any convictions but also any events of you being accused of something even if charges weren't brought against you, or you were found to be innocent, this information can then be used to decide if you should be working with children or vunerable adults. I feel that this is a step too far as you are giving some administrator the power of judge and jury, even when you have never been formally convicted of anything.


Part of the problem with CRB checks as they stand now is they only disclose criminal activity that has already been decided within a court of law and do not flag up where there are possible worrying indicators... the new laws are trying to compensate somewhat for that.
#23
ClarityofMind
So many people in the world though hun don't have the same morals as you xxx

We have to protect others from that xx


I know its so sad :cry: I get to visit Bail Hostels that house child molesters in my line of work and they do give of a certain aura that is quite uncomfortable its very strange:?
#24
mikebike
I know its so sad :cry: I get to visit Bail Hostels that house child molesters in my line of work and they do give of a certain aura that is quite uncomfortable its very strange:?


The hostels do? Or the people? The people don't seem any different to anyone else in my experience.. that's why it's so dangerous xx
#25
raptorcigs
AGAIN WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR CHILD TO BE WITH AN UNCHECKED STRANGER?


So everyone is guilty until proven innocent? I'm quite happy with the current Crb check which if enhanced will show any intelligence the police hold which is relevent.
#26
ClarityofMind
The hostels do? Or the people? The people don't seem any different to anyone else in my experience.. that's why it's so dangerous xx


Its not clear I think I do visit many hostels with various types of offenders but the hostels with the pedophiles in are and do feel strange and I am not sure why:? I should not judge but as a parent prehaps that's why it feels wrong
#27
ClarityofMind
Part of the problem with CRB checks as they stand now is they only disclose criminal activity that has already been decided within a court of law and do not flag up where there are possible worrying indicators... the new laws are trying to compensate somewhat for that.


Not true, an enhanced check also gives the police the option to disclose any intelligence they hold on an individual if they feel it relevant. The new check takes that responsibilty away from the police and places it in the hands of a civil servant
#28
sparxuk
So everyone is guilty until proven innocent? I'm quite happy with the current Crb check which if enhanced will show any intelligence the police hold which is relevent.


In the case where the relationship is between a vulnerable adult or a child, and an adult then the adult is obviously in a more powerful position, therefore it is important to ensure they will not use their position to fulfil their own needs or desires and consistently act in the best interests of the child/young person/vulnerable adult.
#29
sparxuk
Not true, an enhanced check also gives the police the option to disclose any intelligence they hold on an individual if they feel it relevant. The new check takes that responsibilty away from the police and places it in the hands of a civil servant


Wont get into the whys and wherefores but a civil servant is no less trustworthy than a police officer.

My enhanced disclosure is an almost completely blank two sided piece of paper. I presume its a standard form they use. Black headings and white space beneath where anything important would be recorded if there was anything pertinent I guess.

Also, there is the issue with voluntary workers ( such as Father Christmas, cubs/scouts leaders etc ) who have access to children and yet did not need a disclosure for many years. They will be covered with the new legislation also.
#30
mikebike
Its not clear I think I do visit many hostels with various types of offenders but the hostels with the pedophiles in are and do feel strange and I am not sure why:? I should not judge but as a parent prehaps that's why it feels wrong


I am wondering on what you are picking up on that "feels" wrong xxx

In my experiences these places are a bit like a cross between mens public toilets ( they smell!! ) and yet have the innocuousness of seeming like someones old aunties home... not tremendously well cared for but still homely enough xx
#31
ClarityofMind
In the case where the relationship is between a vulnerable adult or a child, and an adult then the adult is obviously in a more powerful position, therefore it is important to ensure they will not use their position to fulfil their own needs or desires and consistently act in the best interests of the child/young person/vulnerable adult.


I totally agree with that, but i also feel it is wrong to judge someone in any way other than in a court of law, that is a fundimental part of our society.
#32
sparxuk
As of July you will need the ISA check too, this not only shows up any convictions but also any events of you being accused of something even if charges weren't brought against you, or you were found to be innocent, this information can then be used to decide if you should be working with children or vunerable adults. I feel that this is a step too far as you are giving some administrator the power of judge and jury, even when you have never been formally convicted of anything.


sometimes theres no smoke without fire and alot of people have slipped through the system i for one totally agree with it i have been working with children for years now and i work for the local council so my fees are met by them which is good as it is quite expensive but worth it to show you are trustworthy and eligible.
#33
sparxuk
I totally agree with that, but i also feel it is wrong to judge someone in any way other than in a court of law, that is a fundimental part of our society.


Absolutely, I totally agree, it is a foundation of our society that everyone is innocent until proven guilty... but when it comes to the law it is often " an ass" and is played by all sides to obtain whatever result they wish for. Money talks and bull walks as they say xx

I know it's worrying... but the powers that be have to be seen to be making changes to ensure that cases such as Victoria Climbie and " Baby P" do not happen again so they introduce procedures such as the CAF and update child protection procedures. The new laws aren't unilaterally welcomed with open arms by the people from inside either. However, if it serves to protect a child from being in danger whether it be psychological, physical or due to neglect... then it must be worth it, mustn't it?
#34
I agree its very difficult to get the balance, it will be interesting to see what difference this actually makes
#35
sparxuk
I agree its very difficult to get the balance, it will be interesting to see what difference this actually makes


yes indeed :thumbsup:

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