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1. Should people be tested to make sure they know the policies of the parties they're voting for? 2. Should people only be able to vote if they're thinking of what's best for the country rather than what's best for themselves?

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1. Should people be tested to make sure they know the policies of the parties they're voting for? It seems to me that people vote for a party over the years without knowing what their latest polic… Read More
Benjimoron Avatar
7y, 1m agoPosted 7 years, 1 month ago
1. Should people be tested to make sure they know the policies of the parties they're voting for?

It seems to me that people vote for a party over the years without knowing what their latest policies are, ie someone who has voted Tory all their life voting Tory this election without being up to date, so to speak.


2. Should people only be able to vote if they're thinking of what's best for the country rather than what's best for themselves?

It also seems to me that people vote for what would be best for themselves, when it's far more important to be voting for what's best for the country. ie an elderly person might vote for a party as they're promising a bigger pension but they should be voting for a different party which would the something better for the country as a whole, whatever that might be.



Also, does anyone know why there are strong seats for each party? Surely if the country is voting 70% for one party then virtually every seat should go to that party based on averages (which you would expect with such a large volume of people). Or is it that people are just voting the same as they've always voted so some seats will virtually never change (inertia?).

Please start your post with a good old YES or NO if you have an opinion.
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7y, 1m agoPosted 7 years, 1 month ago
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#1
1. YES, sort of! I think alot of people vote that way because they've always voted that way and aren't up to speed. I think you should have to prove in some way that you know what policies you're actually voting for.

2. YES, definately. It's human nature to vote for what's best for yourself rather than for your country. A vote should be for what's best for the country, not just yourself.
#2
No No.

This is a democracy and it is a right not a priv' to vote. You cannot maintain a superior democracy if you introduce subjective tests to determine whether someone is smart enough to vote.
#3
1. No...Yes that people should be aware, especially with the current blurring of modern politic, but tested as such...no.
2. No, as people should be also voting on what will benefit themselves and their family and friends, although they should be looking and considering the welfare of the country as well.
banned#4
Even the politicians dont know their own policies, dont expect the voters to be expert

best for the country would mean most politicians commiting suicide, which i;d vote for, but dont get the chance to
#5
gerrygedder
No No.

This is a democracy and it is a right not a priv' to vote. You cannot maintain a superior democracy if you introduce subjective tests to determine whether someone is smart enough to vote.


Exactly and how do you propose these tests will work? surely they will rely on people telling the truth which obviously defeats the object as people would just lie in order for them to be able to vote which as gerrygedder says is a right not a priviledge.
#6
wow

one long ass title
#7
no and no. as much as it pains me to see stupid people voting for stupid reasons thats their entitlement and you cannot take that away from them.
same with the second point who's to say whats best for the country or themselves?

once you start going down the route your advocating we may as well hand the keys over to the facist bnp and let them do what they want.
#8
So generally people think it's ok for people to vote when they don't even know the policies that they're voting for and it's ok for people to vote when they're only thinking of themselves rather than what's best for the country (which is what the job they're being elected for is to do, to make the country work well rather than what's best for the people who voted for the party at the cost of the general well being of the country.)???
#9
Benjimoron
So generally people think it's ok for people to vote when they don't even know the policies that they're voting for and it's ok for people to vote when they're only thinking of themselves rather than what's best for the country (which is what the job they're being elected for is to do)???


yes and I'll defend that right for them to do so.
#10
numptyj
wow

one long ass title


I don't do thinks by 'alves.
banned#11
bad times
#12
ants97
yes and I'll defend that right for them to do so.


But if people are voting for what's best for themselves then we're never going to have a very well run country. It makes voting a bit pointless if parties can get votes by promising certain things to certain groups of people just to get into power, and in turn policies come into effect that aren't in the general country's interest.
#13
i'm a 1st time voter never thought i'd vote ever in my life but today i've finally decided who to vote for! I'm voting on mostly on the basis on what would be good for me and my OH and i think it'll be good for the area i live in as well and i've told my OH and close friends to vote the same way as me and they've agreed also that its the best decision
btw dont think anyone should be tested, i dont know every party's policies, but they send me letters almost everyday about the main policies and i agree with the ones of the party im voting for :)
#14
Benjimoron
But if people are voting for what's best for themselves then we're never going to have a very well run country. It makes voting a bit pointless if parties can get votes by promising certain things to certain groups of people just to get into power, and in turn policies come into effect that aren't in the general country's interest.


you can't start interfering in the reasons people have for voting whatever they see fit. It's a basic democratic right even if it ends up running the country into the ground.
#15
ilovelilac
i'm a 1st time voter never thought i'd vote ever in my life but today i've finally decided who to vote for! I'm voting on mostly on the basis on what would be good for me and my OH and i think it'll be good for the area i live in as well and i've told my OH and close friends to vote the same way as me and they've agreed also that its the best decision
btw dont think anyone should be tested, i dont know every party's policies, but they send me letters almost everyday about the main policies and i agree with the ones of the party im voting for :)


I'm not saying you should be tested on all parties policies. I'm just saying the ones whom you're voting for. (You should know what you're voting for right??)
#16
Yes and yes. If people on this forum are a snap of the general poulation (I hope not), then yes a no-one seems to have read ANY manifestos, have totally misunderstood policies or just read the spin in trash papers.

Secondly the past 10 years I have noticed has spawned a selfish, me, me ,me BNPL attitude. Rack up the debt, don't worry about it and screw what happens later.

People seem to think we can have everything and just pay for it later, monumental debt, yet no spending cuts, no benefit cuts, no tax rises, no interest rate rises, continuing house price rises. Totally oblivious we are racking up huge amounts of debt, potentially screwing the prospects for our children, it's selfishness to the extreme.

That's why as a staunch Labour supporter, I actually think we need a term of Tory, as they will start making these tough choices which people won't like, but will be good for the overall future, promising everything with debt is not the answer, but cash buys votes.
#17
ants97
you can't start interfering in the reasons people have for voting whatever they see fit. It's a basic democratic right even if it ends up running the country into the ground.


But I've seen some of the people on the Jeremy Kyle show, they'd vote for something which would favour themselves, not the country (if they could be bothered to vote). Is it right that selfish people should be able to run the country into the ground?

Personally I think that only people who really understand how to run a country etc should be able to decide how to run the country, letting people on the Jeremy Kyle show decide was a bad idea!!
#18
tinkerbell28
Yes and yes. If people on this forum are a snap of the general poulation (I hope not), then yes a no-one seems to have read ANY manifestos, have totally misunderstood policies or just read the spin in trash papers.

Secondly the past 10 years I have noticed has spawned a selfish, me, me ,me BNPL attitude. Rack up the debt, don't worry about it and screw what happens later.

People seem to think we can have everything and just pay for it later, monumental debt, yet no spending cuts, no benefit cuts, no tax rises, no interest rate rises, continuing house price rises. Totally oblivious we are racking up huge amounts of debt, potentially screwing the prospects for our children, it's selfishness to the extreme.

That's why as a staunch Labour supporter, I actually think we need a term of Tory, as they will start making these tough choices which people won't like, but will be good for the overall future, promising everything with debt is not the answer, but cash buys votes.



I'm glad someone sees where I'm coming from!
#19
Benjimoron
But I've seen some of the people on the Jeremy Kyle show, they'd vote for something which would favour themselves, not the country (if they could be bothered to vote). Is it right that selfish people should be able to run the country into the ground?

Personally I think that only people who really understand how to run a country etc should be able to decide how to run the country, letting people on the Jeremy Kyle show decide was a bad idea!!


I can see were your coming from as I wouldn't trust some of the idiots on here not to do themseles harm with bag of candy floss but you can't take away their right to vote how they see fit for whatever reasons.
#20
ants97
yes and I'll defend that right for them to do so.


Me too
#21
ants97
I can see were your coming from as I wouldn't trust some of the idiots on here not to do themseles harm with bag of candy floss but you can't take away their right to vote how they see fit for whatever reasons.


Fair points.

Personally I think the country would end up much the same whoever was in power (within reason!!!), it's just a bunch of polititions vying for power x-factor style. I'm suprised Simon Cowell hasn't got involved somehow.
#22
I think only people I pick should be able to vote..........this is going to go down well.
#23
No and No.

That doesn't mean I think it's ok for clueless selfish people to put a cross in any box they think will line their own pocket.
I think political intelligence should be part of a general education system, so that children leave school with at least a basic knowledge of how our political system works and the political spectrum in the UK. I don't think the first time people encounter these ideas should be when they are getting ready to vote, and the information they receive is tainted by some one or others 'spin'.
As for what is best for the individual or what is best for the country, isn't that the basic tenet of party politics; each party stands for what they believe is in the best interests of the country...
#24
No and No. This is a democracy, you can vote for whatever reasons you want.
#25
Benjimoron
I'm not saying you should be tested on all parties policies. I'm just saying the ones whom you're voting for. (You should know what you're voting for right??)


OH wants to go uni in a couple of years and im at uni so im voting for free tuitions :-D
amongst other things of course :whistling:
#26
tinkerbell28;8527062
Yes and yes. If people on this forum are a snap of the general poulation (I hope not), then yes a no-one seems to have read ANY manifestos, have totally misunderstood policies or just read the spin in trash papers.
Secondly the past 10 years I have noticed has spawned a selfish, me, me ,me BNPL attitude. Rack up the debt, don't worry about it and screw what happens later.
People seem to think we can have everything and just pay for it later, monumental debt, yet no spending cuts, no benefit cuts, no tax rises, no interest rate rises, continuing house price rises. Totally oblivious we are racking up huge amounts of debt, potentially screwing the prospects for our children, it's selfishness to the extreme.
That's why as a staunch Labour supporter, I actually think we need a term of Tory, as they will start making these tough choices which people won't like, but will be good for the overall future, promising everything with debt is not the answer, but cash buys votes.

No, No.
When you think of whom the tories are proposing as their chancellor I have to disagree with you. It seems that he has got every call wrong over the last couple of years. Thats why the tories have kept him so quiet during the election campaign.
You have to remember that more wealthy people in particular can hop from one country to another as they are not so job dependent. They may be able to choose to take time out travelling or stay at their overseas property or with overseas friends. Most regular working people do not have these options and rely on regular wages or salaries to keep themselves going whether they think of themselves as working class or not.
To deny someone sustenance because of an economic principle is laughable and needs to be thought through.
#27
WoolyM
No, No.
When you think of whom the tories are proposing as their chancellor I have to disagree with you. It seems that he has got every call wrong over the last couple of years. Thats why the tories have kept him so quiet during the election campaign.
.



I am so pleased that others have noticed that, I thought that it was just me.

Voting Tory means getting George Osborne as Chancellor, perish the thought.:x

He will ruin this country, mark my words.
#28
NO, the right to vote is everyone's regardless of their mental capabilities or views.
#29
I would *prefer* if people knew what they were voting for rather than 'the man on the telly who did really well with his talking and such'. But it's a right to vote and you have a right to choose who they vote for.
A prime example is my girlfriend who voted in the European Election last year and voted for the Green Party because they had a tree as a logo and wanted to save the environment. When I asked her what their policies were she said she didn't know but assumed as they were called the Green Party it meant they wanted to save trees. (I told her that they wished to legalise rape etc. as a joke, but it could have been the case, lol.)
#30
Benjimoron;8526639

2. YES, definitely. It's human nature to vote for what's best for yourself rather than for your country. A vote should be for what's best for the country, not just yourself.


I don't believe it is human nature to do whats best for yourself. There are numerous occasions and jobs where people put others before themselves. I believe we are by nature social beings. We naturally relate to others and work best when cooperating. It is the dog eat dog system we live in that forces us to abandon this most of the time. At times like Christmas when we are given the space people relish the idea of good will to others and giving.
Even given the hard life most people have they in the majority of cases retain this social aspect in relation to their own families and close friends. Parents sacrifice much in bringing up children and family and friends help each other out without expectation of personal profit.
Every disaster throws up examples of people taking risks and sacrificing themselves for others.
So don't be so quick to spout that old argument of the right wing.
#31
I was just thinking about the following and thought I'd see what everyone's opinions were:
Should people who vote for the government in power be the ones who take the fall if something goes wrong?
I know that's not too clear, but let me give you an example.

Person A and B work for a local shop owner.
Person A votes Labour.
Person B votes Conservative.

Labour win the General Election and stay in power, they then bring in a rise in NI contributions etc.

This leads to their employer having to make A or B redundant. Should A be made redundant as it was he/she who voted in the Government?

This is TOTALLY hypothetical and I know it would be near impossible to actually regulate this but just wanted to get your thoughts on the matter?

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