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I am getting my son an Xbox for Christmas but I have told him that he cannot have any games older than 15 rated. He is 13 at the moment. He is obviously complaining saying that all his friends have …
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2y, 3m agoPosted 2 years, 3 months ago
I am getting my son an Xbox for Christmas but I have told him that he cannot have any games older than 15 rated. He is 13 at the moment. He is obviously complaining saying that all his friends have 18 games, which I know to be true as he had 6 friends sleep over for his birthday and they all brought xbox games with one friend bringing his console. We live in a fairly affluent area, even though we are not, and some of his friends have parents in jobs with a fair amount of responsibility. One is a deputy headteacher of a very large school and she shows her son to play 18 rated games. I cannot understand why they would allow this. Am I being over protective?

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mclovin9091
As vonclaw says. My son is 10 and hes seen plenty of 18 rated films. Never seen the issue with it myself with the exception of nudity or sex scenes.

The only issue we have had with him seening/playing older games, was when he was about 3 the wife had been playing GTA (one of them). I was back home for the weekend and went upstairs to find him stamping on his teddy and thought nothing of it till i was watching the wife playing it the following weekend and seen her character stamping on this guys head. Then it clicked, I did laugh about it but i dont think she played GTA in front of him again :)

This is a very special kind of idiocy right here. Has no issue with 18 rated films for his ten year old (presumably condoning the violence etc) but has an issue with nudity?!

"I don't mind my son straight up killing a guy as long as he doesn't see any boobies whilst doing it!"

Edited By: g8spur on Dec 20, 2014 22:14
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I cannot understand why they would allow this

It's easier to get a games console/game to occupy and look after your child than it is to do your job as a responsible parent.
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strikerman
I have told him that he cannot have any games older than 15 rated. He is 13 at the moment.

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strikerman
I am getting my son an Xbox for Christmas but I have told him that he cannot have any games older than 15 rated. He is 13 at the moment... I cannot understand why they would allow this. Am I being over protective?

Err... I am confused.

Either you think it is OK to break the law by allowing a minor access to age-rated content that is deemed unsuitable, or it is not OK.
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@ OP I admire and respect that you are taking responsibility and question the ethics of others (especially some who should have more sense).

It's going to be a hard situation as you've already stated your son can access these 18 rated games via his friends but I do honestly believe your ethics are for the right reason and discipline is a good thing. Just explain to your son in words that he'll understand the lawful reasons why you are standing your ground

Big respect...........doffs cap

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I cannot understand why they would allow this

It's easier to get a games console/game to occupy and look after your child than it is to do your job as a responsible parent.
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strikerman
I am getting my son an Xbox for Christmas but I have told him that he cannot have any games older than 15 rated. He is 13 at the moment... I cannot understand why they would allow this. Am I being over protective?

Err... I am confused.

Either you think it is OK to break the law by allowing a minor access to age-rated content that is deemed unsuitable, or it is not OK.
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strikerman
I have told him that he cannot have any games older than 15 rated. He is 13 at the moment.

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#4
[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/battlefield-3-18-16-pegi-rating-uk-1168657?p=13970825 ]

(fanpages; 2 years, 9 months ago)
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Either way it is still not a legally enforceable age restriction.

The current (voluntary) PEGI [Pan European Game Information] rating system only advises on the age range appropriate to view the content of video games.

Any retailer informing you that it against the law to supply to somebody below the age displayed is wrong. They may have their own policy not to supply to minors, but there is nothing in law to suggest they should adopt this approach.

Classifications on games titles (& video-based content) from the British Board of Film Classification [BBFC] are legally enforceable.

Under the Video Recordings Act, most games are exempt from the need to be classified in this manner, though.


Also see:
"Gaming, Kids, Violence & Addiction: Should We Tighten Age Restrictions?" (Dealspwn.com)

(Referencing my "Misc" thread, initially started four years ago, at HotUKDeals.com)

"Online video game censorship is good for children but overall bad for adults - discuss..."

The PEGI system classifications were due to become part of UK law in September 2011 but the Government backed-down from the decision to carry this through Parliament.
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30 July 2012:
[ http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pegi-games-ratings-come-into-effect-today/0100368 ]

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For the sake of completeness/clarity:

[ http://www.pegi.info ]

PEGI (Pan European Game Information) ratings appear on the front & back of video/computer game packaging indicating the suitability of the game content in terms of protection of minors.

The certifications ensure that entertainment content (such as films, videos, DVDs/Blu-ray Discs, & computer/video games) are clearly labelled by age according to the content they contain.
Age ratings provide guidance to consumers (particularly parents) to help them decide whether or not to buy a particular product.

The rating on a game confirms that it is suitable for players over a certain age. It is not intended to indicate the difficulty level or the skills required to play.

Certifications

Currently, five certification ratings are in use:

* PEGI 3
The content of games given this rating is considered suitable for all age groups. Some violence in a comical context (typically Bugs Bunny or Tom & Jerry cartoon-like forms of violence) is acceptable.
The child should not be able to associate the character on the screen with real life characters, they should be totally fantasy.
The game should not contain any sounds or pictures that are likely to scare or frighten young children.
No bad language should be heard.

* PEGI 7
Any game that would normally be rated at 3 but contains some possibly frightening scenes or sounds may be considered suitable in this category.

* PEGI 12
Videogames that show violence of a slightly more graphic nature towards fantasy character and/or non graphic violence towards human-looking characters or recognisable animals, as well as videogames that show nudity of a slightly more graphic nature would fall in this age category.
Any bad language in this category must be mild and fall short of sexual expletives.

* PEGI 16
This rating is applied once the depiction of violence (or sexual activity) reaches a stage that looks the same as would be expected in real life.
More extreme bad language, the concept of the use of tobacco and drugs and the depiction of criminal activities can be content of games that are rated 16.

* PEGI 18
The adult classification is applied when the level of violence reaches a stage where it becomes a depiction of gross violence and/or includes elements of specific types of violence.
Gross violence is the most difficult to define since it can be very subjective in many cases, but in general terms it can be classed as the depictions of violence that would make the viewer feel a sense of revulsion.

Descriptors

Additional images (or "descriptors") are shown on the back of game packaging to indicate the main reasons why a particular age rating has been applied.

There are presently eight descriptors:

* Bad Language (Game contains bad language)
* Discrimination (Game contains depictions of, or material which may encourage, discrimination)
* Drugs (Game refers to or depicts the use of drugs)
* Fear (Game may be frightening or scary for young children)
* Gambling (Games that encourage or teach gambling)
* Sex (Game depicts nudity and/or sexual behaviour or sexual references)
* Violence (Game contains depictions of violence)
* Online gameplay (Game can be played online)

Extended Consumer Advice

Often there is also specific information to explain why a game received the rating classification.

These may take the form of the following examples:

"Contains: extreme violence, criminal techniques, glamorisation of crime, strong language"
"Contains: comic violence"
"Contains: nudity, strong language, unrealistic violence"

PEGI OK

With the rise of websites/online services offering (casual/downloadable) games to their consumers, the "PEGI OK" label was devised to advise that strict criteria has been applied & that there is nothing in the game that would lead to a rating above the standard "PEGI 3" (3+) category.

Effectively seeing this rating indicates that the game is suitable for players of all age groups, because it does not contain any potentially unsuitable game content.

That is, in order to qualify for a "PEGI OK" label, a game must not contain any of the following elements:

* violence (sexual activity or sexual innuendo)
* nudity
* bad language
* gambling
* promotion or use of drugs
* promotion of alcohol or tobacco
* scary scenes

If a game does contain any of these elements, the "PEGI OK" label would not be seen & one of the standard PEGI rating system labels ("3", "7", "12", "16", or "18") would be used instead.


Edited By: fanpages on Dec 21, 2014 11:32: Added information about PEGI ratings
#5
If your son will have his xbox connected to the internet for online gaming then he will hear far worse language than anything on an 18 rated game.
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@ OP I admire and respect that you are taking responsibility and question the ethics of others (especially some who should have more sense).

It's going to be a hard situation as you've already stated your son can access these 18 rated games via his friends but I do honestly believe your ethics are for the right reason and discipline is a good thing. Just explain to your son in words that he'll understand the lawful reasons why you are standing your ground

Big respect...........doffs cap
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I really think it depends on the maturity level of your son - how well does he understand that games aren't real, that what you can do in games aren't neccesarily what you can do in real life.etc.

At the end of the day, you as his parent(s) are in the best position to decide whats suitable and what isn't regardless of age ratings.
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philphil61
@ OP I admire and respect that you are taking responsibility and question the ethics of others (especially some who should have more sense).

It's going to be a hard situation as you've already stated your son can access these 18 rated games via his friends but I do honestly believe your ethics are for the right reason and discipline is a good thing. Just explain to your son in words that he'll understand the lawful reasons why you are standing your ground

Big respect...........doffs cap

Have you missed the bit where he says he will allow his 13yo son to access 15 rated games?
banned 2 Likes #9
It's inevitable that kids under 18 will get hold off and play 18 rated games.
I think you should avoid buying any for your kid though.
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deeky
philphil61
@ OP I admire and respect that you are taking responsibility and question the ethics of others (especially some who should have more sense).

It's going to be a hard situation as you've already stated your son can access these 18 rated games via his friends but I do honestly believe your ethics are for the right reason and discipline is a good thing. Just explain to your son in words that he'll understand the lawful reasons why you are standing your ground

Big respect...........doffs cap

Have you missed the bit where he says he will allow his 13yo son to access 15 rated games?

Yes intentionally - for me there's a greater difference between a 13yr old playing a 15 rated and a 13yr old playing an 18 rated
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strikerman
...Am I being over protective?.

You are obviously attempting to be a 'good' parent by raising the question, & offering some form of compromise.

Whether that actually demonstrates your ability to retain a position, or succumb to the "but everybody else is doing it" counter is for you to decide.

How about this offer?...

Sit with your thirteen year old when the PEGI-rated "18" game title is being played.

Note the content.

There is likely to be violence including, but not limited to the graphic depiction of motiveless death/injury/gore/maiming & so on, possibly to "defenceless people", swearing/vulgar language [& not necessarily limited to the other online players!], possible drug taking/glamorisation references, strong sexual content, gambling, &/or discrimination of others.

See if your child spots all these & ask for their opinion on them.

Then ask yourself (again) if you consider your child is mature enough to continue playing.

(PS. We are talking about a "Call of Duty" or "Grand Theft Auto" title here, I expect)
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philphil61


Yes intentionally - for me there's a greater difference between a 13yr old playing a 15 rated and a 13yr old playing an 18 rated

But you said "Just explain to your son in words that he'll understand the lawful reasons why you are standing your ground".

Well, he can't really, can he, if he is going to then allow him to play 15 rated games?
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philphil61
deeky
philphil61
@ OP I admire and respect that you are taking responsibility and question the ethics of others (especially some who should have more sense).

It's going to be a hard situation as you've already stated your son can access these 18 rated games via his friends but I do honestly believe your ethics are for the right reason and discipline is a good thing. Just explain to your son in words that he'll understand the lawful reasons why you are standing your ground

Big respect...........doffs cap

Have you missed the bit where he says he will allow his 13yo son to access 15 rated games?

Yes intentionally - for me there's a greater difference between a 13yr old playing a 15 rated and a 13yr old playing an 18 rated
OK so it seems that your concern is not SPECIFICALLY that someone under a certain age can get hold of and play a game not appropriate to their age.
It's more about 18 rated games specifically?

Edited By: Villa on Dec 20, 2014 22:01
#14
As vonclaw says. My son is 10 and hes seen plenty of 18 rated films. Never seen the issue with it myself with the exception of nudity or sex scenes.

The only issue we have had with him seening/playing older games, was when he was about 3 the wife had been playing GTA (one of them). I was back home for the weekend and went upstairs to find him stamping on his teddy and thought nothing of it till i was watching the wife playing it the following weekend and seen her character stamping on this guys head. Then it clicked, I did laugh about it but i dont think she played GTA in front of him again :)

Edited By: mclovin9091 on Dec 20, 2014 22:02
#15
Villa
It's inevitable that kids under 18 will get hold off and play 18 rated games.
I think you should avoid buying any for your kid though.

Just out of interest; which statement(s) is/are deemed illegal (as of 30 July 2012)?

a) Buying age-restricted content for the intent of supplying to a minor,
b) Selling age-restricted content to a minor (or to somebody you suspect will supply to a minor),
c) Allowing a minor access to age-restricted content by not securing it safely,
d) Any combination of the above options.

Who will be prosecuted? The parent, the retailer, the minor, all three?....

Edited By: fanpages on Dec 21, 2014 10:23: Answer at comment #60 (below)
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mclovin9091
As vonclaw says. My son is 10 and hes seen plenty of 18 rated films. Never seen the issue with it myself with the exception of nudity or sex scenes.

The only issue we have had with him seening/playing older games, was when he was about 3 the wife had been playing GTA (one of them). I was back home for the weekend and went upstairs to find him stamping on his teddy and thought nothing of it till i was watching the wife playing it the following weekend and seen her character stamping on this guys head. Then it clicked, I did laugh about it but i dont think she played GTA in front of him again :)
Oh dear; I have a number of issues with this.
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fanpages
Villa
It's inevitable that kids under 18 will get hold off and play 18 rated games.
I think you should avoid buying any for your kid though.

Just out of interest; which statement(s) is/are deemed illegal (as of 30 July 2012)?

a) Buying age-restricted content for the intent of supplying to a minor,
b) Selling age-restricted content to a minor (or to somebody you suspect will supply to a minor),
c) Allowing a minor access to age-restricted content by not securing it safely,
d) Any combination of the above options.

Who will be prosecuted? The parent, the retailer, the minor, all three?....
Err... did you mistake me for a lawyer?
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Remember to get me some porn as well Dad so I don't have to keep borrowing yours, thanks - Strikerman Jnr
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mclovin9091
As vonclaw says. My son is 10 and hes seen plenty of 18 rated films. Never seen the issue with it myself with the exception of nudity or sex scenes.

The only issue we have had with him seening/playing older games, was when he was about 3 the wife had been playing GTA (one of them). I was back home for the weekend and went upstairs to find him stamping on his teddy and thought nothing of it till i was watching the wife playing it the following weekend and seen her character stamping on this guys head. Then it clicked, I did laugh about it but i dont think she played GTA in front of him again :)

"inb4" (incorrect) comparisons to the murders of Jamie Bulger, & Stefan Pakeerah.
#20
Villa
It's inevitable that kids under 18 will get hold off and play 18 rated games.
I think you should avoid buying any for your kid though
fanpages
Just out of interest; which statement(s) is/are deemed illegal (as of 30 July 2012)?

a) Buying age-restricted content for the intent of supplying to a minor,
b) Selling age-restricted content to a minor (or to somebody you suspect will supply to a minor),
c) Allowing a minor access to age-restricted content by not securing it safely,
d) Any combination of the above options.

Who will be prosecuted? The parent, the retailer, the minor, all three?....
Villa
Err... did you mistake me for a lawyer?

No... I was really asking why you used the word "should" rather than "must".
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A million pounds most of those judging aren't even parents.

OP,
My boy is thirteen in Feb and after screening all 15 games before play he is now allowed to play them all.
From memory Halo is a 16 and surprised me it's that high.
He doesn't play 18 games.
You're bang on with your judgement.
Stick with it.
A lot of his friends play 18 rated games and a couple of parents are teachers.
Trust your instinct.

Edited By: willhay555 on Dec 20, 2014 22:14
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mclovin9091
As vonclaw says. My son is 10 and hes seen plenty of 18 rated films. Never seen the issue with it myself with the exception of nudity or sex scenes.

The only issue we have had with him seening/playing older games, was when he was about 3 the wife had been playing GTA (one of them). I was back home for the weekend and went upstairs to find him stamping on his teddy and thought nothing of it till i was watching the wife playing it the following weekend and seen her character stamping on this guys head. Then it clicked, I did laugh about it but i dont think she played GTA in front of him again :)

This is a very special kind of idiocy right here. Has no issue with 18 rated films for his ten year old (presumably condoning the violence etc) but has an issue with nudity?!

"I don't mind my son straight up killing a guy as long as he doesn't see any boobies whilst doing it!"

Edited By: g8spur on Dec 20, 2014 22:14
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willhay555
Amillion pounds most of those judging aren't parents.

If you define "most", I may take that bet :)

willhay555
OP,... Trust your instinct.

Good advice! :)
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fanpages
willhay555
Amillion pounds most of those judging aren't parents.

If you define "most", I may take that bet :)
I want in too!
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Villa
mclovin9091
As vonclaw says. My son is 10 and hes seen plenty of 18 rated films. Never seen the issue with it myself with the exception of nudity or sex scenes.

The only issue we have had with him seening/playing older games, was when he was about 3 the wife had been playing GTA (one of them). I was back home for the weekend and went upstairs to find him stamping on his teddy and thought nothing of it till i was watching the wife playing it the following weekend and seen her character stamping on this guys head. Then it clicked, I did laugh about it but i dont think she played GTA in front of him again :)
Oh dear; I have a number of issues with this.

So? but what do you have issues with? Someone kissing in a film would have it classed as a 12A but yet its a day to day occurance and part of normal life. Swearing in a film would be borderline 15, but again a daily occurance, i dont feel the need to shelter my kid from such occurances, my son knows lots of swear words but by knowing them we have been able to explain to him why he shouldn't use them.
#26
g8spur
This is a very special kind if idiocy right here. Has no issue with 18 rated films for his ten year old (presumably condoning the violence etc) but has an issue with nudity?!

"I don't mind my son straight up killing a guy as long as he doesn't see any boobies whilst doing it!"

Rockstar's output is usually OK.

Now, if Ubisoft or Activision were involved in production/development there would be many issues with the game-play.

Seriously, though...

Copying the language & repeating it in inappropriate places (or to inappropriate people) is probably a large concern to many.

Most kids of 13 years old should already know that killing & drug-taking is not normal behaviour... & nudity is also 'normal' in the right circumstances.
#27
g8spur
mclovin9091
As vonclaw says. My son is 10 and hes seen plenty of 18 rated films. Never seen the issue with it myself with the exception of nudity or sex scenes.

The only issue we have had with him seening/playing older games, was when he was about 3 the wife had been playing GTA (one of them). I was back home for the weekend and went upstairs to find him stamping on his teddy and thought nothing of it till i was watching the wife playing it the following weekend and seen her character stamping on this guys head. Then it clicked, I did laugh about it but i dont think she played GTA in front of him again :)

This is a very special kind of idiocy right here. Has no issue with 18 rated films for his ten year old (presumably condoning the violence etc) but has an issue with nudity?!

"I don't mind my son straight up killing a guy as long as he doesn't see any boobies whilst doing it!"

As i said in my post above by letting him see 18 rated films we are able to explain things better. And why would my son want to kill someone just because its in a film?
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"18 rated games, am I being mean or responsible?" (strikerman; posted 37 minutes ago)

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Why do people do this?
#29
mclovin9091
...And why would my son want to kill someone just because its in a film?

The same way you may fancy a beef sandwich after seeing a pair of boobies.
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fanpages
mclovin9091
...And why would my son want to kill someone just because its in a film?

The same way you may fancy a beef sandwich after seeing a pair of boobies.

It's not the boobies that does that

... That was a euphemism wasn't it

Edited By: kjcoolcat on Dec 20, 2014 22:27
banned 5 Likes #31
To be honest, I remember coming out of a Karate Kid movie and there were loads of kids attempting to do 'karate chops' and high kicks on each other.
1 Like #32
mclovin9091
...And why would my son want to kill someone just because its in a film?
fanpages
The same way you may fancy a beef sandwich after seeing a pair of boobies.
kjcoolcat
It's not the boobies that does that

I know... but I was keeping the content to PEGI "16".
#33
What games are in mind they will give an idea? If it's the cod and battle field series get them for your son
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Kids are kids, we need to protect them as best we can from the day to day misery that life brings
#35
Villa
To be honest, I remember coming out [cough] of a Karate Kid movie and there were loads of kids attempting to do 'karate chops' and high kicks on each other.

There were lots of incidents following the broadcast of the "(Mighty Morphin) Power Rangers" & "Teenage Mutant Ninja|Hero Turtles" too.

To be fair, seeing "Enter the Dragon" influenced my decision to become a martial arts instructor in later years.

Not all influences outside the designated "age appropriate" range are bad influences! :)
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Villa
To be honest, I remember coming out of a Karate Kid movie and there were loads of kids attempting to do 'karate chops' and high kicks on each other.

I went to school at the height of the WWF popularity, and would rarely go a day with out taking a swift clothesline or suplex from the school bully :(
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BuzzDuraband
Villa
To be honest, I remember coming out of a Karate Kid movie and there were loads of kids attempting to do 'karate chops' and high kicks on each other.

I went to school at the height of the WWF popularity, and would rarely go a day with out taking a swift clothesline or suplex from the school bully :(

Can I have permission to laugh at that
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kjcoolcat
BuzzDuraband
Villa
To be honest, I remember coming out of a Karate Kid movie and there were loads of kids attempting to do 'karate chops' and high kicks on each other.

I went to school at the height of the WWF popularity, and would rarely go a day with out taking a swift clothesline or suplex from the school bully :(

Can I have permission to laugh at that

Yes......you bullys are all the same ;)
1 Like #39
deeky
philphil61


Yes intentionally - for me there's a greater difference between a 13yr old playing a 15 rated and a 13yr old playing an 18 rated

But you said "Just explain to your son in words that he'll understand the lawful reasons why you are standing your ground".

Well, he can't really, can he, if he is going to then allow him to play 15 rated games?

It's give and take - it's my opinion - far better than just allowing the OP's son to have freedom to do as he pleases and not teach his son discipline

As I said it's my opinion and the end result is a win for both sides.
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BuzzDuraband
kjcoolcat
BuzzDuraband
Villa
To be honest, I remember coming out of a Karate Kid movie and there were loads of kids attempting to do 'karate chops' and high kicks on each other.

I went to school at the height of the WWF popularity, and would rarely go a day with out taking a swift clothesline or suplex from the school bully :(

Can I have permission to laugh at that

Yes......you bullys are all the same ;)

If it makes you feel better, my brother is 4 yrs older and I've been on the wrong end of a DDT before

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