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Azureus Avatar
7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
Went to the GP with a cold that had lasted for weeks and she asked asked if I was an excessive drinker. I said no. She said how much do you drink and I said 2 -3 glasses of wine most nights. She said while that does not technically make you an alcoholic it does make you an excessive drinker. Now these are not the huge wine glasses we are having - we get 6 glasses out of a bottle and according to BUPA's website that is only 18 units and not the 2 and half times the recommended weekly limit she told me. I am really worried now - anyone with actual medical knowledge advise me what to say to her when I go back for blood tests as my wife says I should complain to practice manager.
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#1
AA :thumbsup:
#2
rehydrated
AA :thumbsup:


You read the bit where I said I am really worried?
#3
2-3 glasses EACH day - yes, sounds a bit too much to me.

why would you complain? it's your health you are playing with...
#4
how can you complain to the practice manager when all they are trying to do is to help you lead a healthy lifestyle? :?
#5
Ask her what her definition of 'excessive' is.
Then ask her where her reference for that is, ie government advice etc (or is it just her opinion?)
Ask her for her opinion of how your 'excessive' drinking will impact on your health.
Ask her if she is aware that the French and the Italians drink slightly more than that per head and suffer less stress, less coronary disease and fewer strokes than we do and how does she explain that?
Maybe she means moderate!
#6
Dont worry, happened to someone i know really recently, exactly the same thing!

Its a government alcohol drive, the GP asks how much you 'normally' drink and 'most' people always lie and say less, so the GP guesses that its prob a little more than you would admit so they give out a couple of books about counting units and all that stuff.

A guide in the book says if you:

lie about your alcohol intake, or have to take time off work due to alcohol you may have a problem and should seek further advice etc.

Dont worry too much.
#7
StevenA2000_uk
how can you complain to the practice manager when all they are trying to do is to help you lead a healthy lifestyle? :?


agree
#8
At first I wondered what the heck you were complaining about as it appears to only be advice but I guess if your Doctor adds "excessive drinking" to your Medical records then it could have all sorts of connotations.

Perhaps you should just go back in and discuss it with the Doctor to clarify, there may have been crossed wires somewhere ??
#9
Sure she is encouraging a more healthy lifestyle but this smacks of excessive scaremongering. Look at the websites listing recommended units and you'll find that this is not only not excessive for several it would be viewed as within recommended guidelines.
#10
hottoshop
At first I wondered what the heck you were complaining about as it appears to only be advice but I guess if your Doctor adds "excessive drinking" to your Medical records then it could have all sorts of connotations.

Perhaps you should just go back in and discuss it with the Doctor to clarify, there may have been crossed wires somewhere ??


Exactly - that is what worries me. The rest of my medical encounters being viewed in the light of "excessive drinker".
#11
Azureus
You read the bit where I said I am really worried?


I appologise Az, a bit of warped humour there...IMHO, I would say anyone who does anything everyday has some form of addiction, problem. Is it ok to drink 3 glasses of wine a night, yes, of course it is, and depending on what Scientist you listen to, maybe even good for you...But to do it everyday? Here I think is where the "problem" lies....
But then again. You only have today, the here, the now, so enjoy your life, do what makes you happy, and if that be sipping a few glasses of wine at night, don't let anyone tell you that it is no good for you, regardless of who they are.
Look at it this way, if you stopped, you might live to be 100. Then again, if you never stopped, you might live to be 100.
This is coming from someone who used to drink everyday, and now doesn't :thumbsup:
banned#12
hottoshop
At first I wondered what the heck you were complaining about as it appears to only be advice but I guess if your Doctor adds "excessive drinking" to your Medical records then it could have all sorts of connotations.

Perhaps you should just go back in and discuss it with the Doctor to clarify, there may have been crossed wires somewhere ??


Yeah I went and saw my doctor and said I think I might have been exposed to Asbestos, first thing he writes on my record :x "[COLOR="Red"]Asbestos exposure[/COLOR]". Well that's ****ed up my life insurance premiums for life!
#13
Azureus
You read the bit where I said I am really worried?


What strength wine do you typically drink?
#14
StevenA2000_uk
how can you complain to the practice manager when all they are trying to do is to help you lead a healthy lifestyle? :?


+1!!

cannyscot
Ask her what her definition of 'excessive' is.
Then ask her where her reference for that is, ie government advice etc (or is it just her opinion?)
Ask her for her opinion of how your 'excessive' drinking will impact on your health.
Ask her if she is aware that the French and the Italians drink slightly more than that per head and suffer less stress, less coronary disease and fewer strokes than we do and how does she explain that?
Maybe she means moderate!


she is probably basing it on GMC advice!! and they do have healthier lifestyles they spend more time outdoors excersising and eat less saturated fats and processed food than people in the uk THATS why they have less heart disease and live longer

and excessive drinking isnt good especially if you have medical conditions!
#15
The recommended limit according to who? GP's personal recommendation, recommendation of old research, new research, whut? If the GP was just wrong, was it a malicious mistake, a well intentioned fib, or just a miscalculation?

There's a lot of questions and uncertainties here, but, ignoring the medical stuff, the fact that your wife's been rattled enough by the notion of having to cut down a little does imply alcohol dependance to me. Typical sign of any addiction is to have an irrational response when there's a threat of something being taken away, and filing an official complaint at a GP over something so trivial certainly strikes me as irrational.
#16
http://www.silvermusic.tv/images/neil_big_glass.jpg

Hi, this is my glass for 2-3 a night :-D
#17
rehydrated
I appologise Az, a bit of warped humour there...IMHO, I would say anyone who does anything everyday has some form of addiction, problem. Is it ok to drink 3 glasses of wine a night, yes, of course it is, and depending on what Scientist you listen to, maybe even good for you...But to do it everyday? Here I think is where the "problem" lies....
But then again. You only have today, the here, the now, so enjoy your life, do what makes you happy, and if that be sipping a few glasses of wine at night, don't let anyone tell you that it is no good for you, regardless of who they are.
Look at it this way, if you stopped, you might live to be 100. Then again, if you never stopped, you might live to be 100.
This is coming from someone who used to drink everyday, and now doesn't :thumbsup:


Apology accepted. I am normally up for sick humour myself.

But by your definition while I am not addicted to wine ("most nights" and frequently have several days or a week off) I am addicted to watching TV, using a computer, driving and a few other things ;-)

I am quite happy to ignore the GP as rabid scaremongering but I am worried about the effect that little phrase in medical records will have.
#18
dxx
The recommended limit according to who? GP's personal recommendation, recommendation of old research, new research, whut? If the GP was just wrong, was it a malicious mistake, a well intentioned fib, or just a miscalculation?

There's a lot of questions and uncertainties here, but, ignoring the medical stuff, the fact that your wife's been rattled enough by the notion of having to cut down a little does imply alcohol dependance to me. Typical sign of any addiction is to have an irrational response when there's a threat of something being taken away, and filing an official complaint at a GP over something so trivial certainly strikes me as irrational.


Try getting medical insurance with that phrase in your records then we can discuss whether it is trivial or irrational.
#19
It would be excessive to me.
#20
There is no "proper" definition of an alcoholic.

Generally it is a term used to describe someone who's drinking impacts their life.

For one person they could drink 1 unit a week and it causes them harm, another person could drink 5 units a day, and they function correctly.



That said, I would take the medical advice given from a professional, over that of information of people with nothing better to do than chat about inane things in "The Misc" on a deals website. :)
#21
Jonny_K
What strength wine do you typically drink?


11 or 12%
#22
Azureus
Exactly - that is what worries me. The rest of my medical encounters being viewed in the light of "excessive drinker".


Yes and the more I think about it the more I would be sitting down and talking to the Doctor to clarify the whole situation.

I might be wrong but I think you are entitled to view your Medical Records nowadays ??

Personally though I would start off on a friendly footing and take it from there, it's obviously worrying you and TBH you are NOT going to get your definitive answer on here are you. ;-)

Good luck OP and don't worry, I'm sure you will be able to sort it out. :)
#23
#24
hottoshop
Yes and the more I think about it the more I would be sitting down and talking to the Doctor to clarify the whole situation.

I might be wrong but I think you are entitled to view your Medical Records nowadays ??

Personally though I would start off on a friendly footing and take it from there, it's obviously worrying you and TBH you are NOT going to get your definitive answer on here are you. ;-)

Good luck OP and don't worry, I'm sure you will be able to sort it out. :)


Thanks, but it is a good place to vent and it is entertaining.
#25
[quote=foxymissroxy;4064451]+1!!



she is probably basing it on GMC advice!!quote]

The GMC regulates doctors not patients. It's the NHS that provides patients with advice.

Alcohol Advice

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NHS advice on drinking recommends that men should not regularly drink more than 3–4 units of alcohol a day and women should not regularly drink more than 2–3 units a day. ‘Regularly’ means drinking every day or most days of the week. You should also take a break for 48 hours after a heavy session to let your body recover.
:thumbsup:
#26
Ok, I see where you're coming from...I think the Doc. is correct in possibly making you aware of your drinking habits, but I wouldn't say a few glasses of wine, a few times a week, can be called or classed as "excessive drinking". Ask your Doctor if they have made a note of it IN your Medical records. If in any doubt, ask to see the notes, as I believe we all have the right to do that now...
I don't think that they will have made a note of it, or made it official. But you are within your rights to ask, and to check, and to mention maybe a government sponsored website that clarifys or backs up your argument that how much you drink is not excessive.
#27
Azureus
11 or 12%


According to the NHS website a glass (125ml) of 11% wine contains 1.4 units, a glass of 12% wine contains 1.5 units so you're looking at around 4.2 to 4.5 units if you have three glasses which is just outside the recommended 3-4 units a day but I think to say excessive is a little harsh, as you said yourself you don't always have three glasses a night.
#28
OP is male I believe ?
#29
Azureus
Try getting medical insurance with that phrase in your records then we can discuss whether it is trivial or irrational.


Not really something that'd affect me, since I had no problem with it when I decided to quit drinking. Not sure how it affects you either, at this point. Do you travel often or plan to leave the country?
#30
If you are drinking half a bottle of 11% wine a day then you are having about 4 units of alcohol a day. The units should be on the bottle. ( Or multiply % by vol and it's the first fig.) This is OK for the recommended limits of alcohol drinking of no more than four units in any one day but a bit more than the weekly limit, if you drink every day.
Men should drink no more than 21 units of alcohol per week, according to latest advice.
However, the doctor seems to be wrong/has misunderstood, so see her again and have your facts and figures with you.

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069189/

It isn't exactly very excessive drinking.
#31
right, you people do know that 'units' are figures plucked out of the air right?

In the 1980's the uk government signed up to a european scheme to cut down the amount of alcahol drunk, and to assist with this, they made up these units, so that people had some idea of how much to drink.

As somebody has previously said the French and Italians drink alot more than us, and live long and healthy lives. It's your life, do what you want with it.

the fact is driving a car can kill you and others, would everybody like us to stop doing that?
#32
chesso
If you are drinking half a bottle of 11% wine a day then you are having about 4 units of alcohol a day. The units should be on the bottle. ( Or multiply % by vol and it's the first fig.) This is OK for the recommended limits of alcohol drinking of no more than four units in any one day but a bit more than the weekly limit, if you drink every day.
Men should drink no more than 21 units of alcohol per week, according to latest advice.
However, the doctor seems to be wrong/has misunderstood, so see her again and have your facts and figures with you.

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069189/

It isn't exactly very excessive drinking.


Many thanks. I'll print this off and several other NHS related websites that say similar things.
#33
dxx
Not really something that'd affect me, since I had no problem with it when I decided to quit drinking. Not sure how it affects you either, at this point. Do you travel often or plan to leave the country?


Not travel insurance, medical insurance, critical life insurance, life insurance.
#34
I think people on this site listen to the scare mongers far too much.
#35
Kitten13
right, you people do know that 'units' are figures plucked out of the air right?

In the 1980's the uk government signed up to a european scheme to cut down the amount of alcahol drunk, and to assist with this, they made up these units, so that people had some idea of how much to drink.

As somebody has previously said the French and Italians drink alot more than us, and live long and healthy lives. It's your life, do what you want with it.

the fact is driving a car can kill you and others, would everybody like us to stop doing that?


+1 Each person is responsilble for their own health, nobody else. If someone chooses to ignore advice from a medical professional like their own GP then that is entirely up to them, they have that right to do so.

But all the talk of what is the 'safe' limit and within 'x' number of units is like saying if I stay under the 30 MPH speed lmit then I'll be fine and wont crash. Like everything else its about being pragmatic, realistic and honest with yourself.

At the end of the day its your health and what you do with it is up to you. :thumbsup:
banned#36
can I ask, complain about what exactly?
#37
It's now called "binge drinking", it used to be called something else;

Can anyone guess what it is?

The weekend.
#38
I don't see the amount the OP is drinking as a problem. His body will process it without a problems. You have to remember that they are only guidelines as with the salt thing and 5 fruit and veg a day which seems to have appeared in the last 5-6 years. It seems everything we eat/drink is going to give us cancer one week and not the next.

So yes OP you are drinking more than the government guidelines. But think about it, when does the government ever get anything right!
banned#39
I dont think 2 - 3 glasses of wine is alot a day? so if ppl dont drink all week, but then binge on the weekend-thats better?

I wouldnt worry, talk to the doc and tell her that you think its unreasonable to call that excessive drinking on your file, and tell her the whole BUPA website/small glass thing.

I broke my foot a few months back and my doctor told me i had gout! They know nothing....
#40
caraluvskittens
I dont think 2 - 3 glasses of wine is alot a day? so if ppl dont drink all week, but then binge on the weekend-thats better?

I wouldnt worry, talk to the doc and tell her that you think its unreasonable to call that excessive drinking on your file, and tell her the whole BUPA website/small glass thing.

I broke my foot a few months back and my doctor told me i had gout! They know nothing....


gout! now that is marvellous!

Years ago I went to the GP with an eye problem (which turned out to be a corneal ulcer) and she asked me how long I'd been married. I felt it was a strange question but she was the medical expert so I said 2 years. She then said it was stress because we didn't have children and if I just relaxed more the eye problem would go away and my wife would fall pregnant. We had no plans to have kids so I decided not to relax...

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