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2nd Defeat - And to all those moaning about The House of Lords

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Edit - Yep. Back to the Commons because blanket approach without safeguards is not acceptable. Quite rightly so. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39136739 The House of Lords rejected a bill… Read More
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banned3m, 3w agoPosted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Edit - Yep. Back to the Commons because blanket approach without safeguards is not acceptable. Quite rightly so.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39136739

The House of Lords rejected a bill passed by The House of Commons that left current EU residents in limbo after Brexit.

Basically The Lords are saying to The Commons that any laws should not restrict those EU nationals that have already settled & they shouldnt simply be open to eviction from the UK after we leave the EU.

And so every current EU national resident in the UK should rest easy & so they should.

Yet again The Lords have done the right thing.
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banned3m, 3w agoPosted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
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The whole point they were leaving the EU residents out of it was to ensure we could get a reciprocal deal for our UK citizens in Europe. The lords in their great wisdom thought we should let the EU use our citizens as a bargaining chip.
I agree that the EU residents should be allowed to stay here but I also think the UK citizens in Europe should have exactly the same rights.
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Just because the Lords have done something 'right' and 'fair'
does not make it 'right' and 'fair' that they are completely unaccountable !
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I wonder if the EU will reciprocate and permit British citizens to remain in its nations after Brexit?

I believe that EU citizens (already working and living here) should be allowed to stay if they please, but the same needs to apply to Brits living in the crumbling EU.
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Amazing they should wake from their 5 star slumber and raise issues about rights of migrants ( without any reciprocal deal on the table for ex pats) but keep silent about benefits cuts and disability cuts , Care homes closing , the state of the NHS,the Hillsborough disgrace etc .
This is direct interference of an elected government , directed by the electorate and is a total disgrace . Unelected individuals , cronies of politicians and hypocritical ex MPs fleecing the public coffers of £300 a day (and expenses) . Time for a referendum to abolish this public funded gravy train .

Edited By: plodging on Mar 02, 2017 09:43

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#1
'The Lords' lulululululu.

As if that is even a real thing, how embarrassing
1 Like #2
Agreed
#3
Well done not every lord is like Lord ramzi Bolton you see
4 Likes #4
Amazing what decisions people can make when they are asleep :)
1 Like #5
Those that have settled should be able to remain. Those that haven't settled (and are unlikely to settle) or go on to commit crime should be deported.
6 Likes #6
Just because the Lords have done something 'right' and 'fair'
does not make it 'right' and 'fair' that they are completely unaccountable !
1 Like #7
House of Lords the best day care centre in London
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The whole point they were leaving the EU residents out of it was to ensure we could get a reciprocal deal for our UK citizens in Europe. The lords in their great wisdom thought we should let the EU use our citizens as a bargaining chip.
I agree that the EU residents should be allowed to stay here but I also think the UK citizens in Europe should have exactly the same rights.
4 Likes #9
They need to set a date, Those already settled should be able too, No question but there should be a cut of date, Perhaps anyone arriving a day after the bill is passed should be given a special temporary visa until new immigration laws have been clarified. Just set a date simples. Hopefully the dictatorship would allow the same for UK citizens in the EU.

As Stuart suggested any EU national that isn't a UK citizen that should commit certain crimes should be deported. But after the date set.


Edited By: shauneco on Mar 02, 2017 08:10
banned 2 Likes #10
thewongwing101
Just because the Lords have done something 'right' and 'fair'
does not make it 'right' and 'fair' that they are completely unaccountable !

Yep

Lets all have a House of Lords that are elected.

Basically a 2nd chamber that consists of Labs & Cons voting the same as the Commons?

What a great idea & what a waste of money. Everyone voting the way of the Government regardless of right or wrong.

Classic.
banned 1 Like #11
shauneco
They need to set a date, Those already settled should be able too,

That is exactly the point The House of Lords were highlighting & its why the law/bill was rejected.
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YouDontWantToKnow
thewongwing101
Just because the Lords have done something 'right' and 'fair'
does not make it 'right' and 'fair' that they are completely unaccountable !
Yep
Lets all have a House of Lords that are elected.
Basically a 2nd chamber that consists of Labs & Cons voting the same as the Commons?
What a great idea & what a waste of money. Everyone voting the way of the Government regardless of right or wrong.
Classic.
Either you believe in democracy or you don't.
I for one think it is just wrong for the people making these decisions to be their because of 'an accident of birth'
they are a Bishop or because they have been 'appointed' by another politician

Edited By: thewongwing101 on Mar 02, 2017 18:27: an accident
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YouDontWantToKnow
shauneco
They need to set a date, Those already settled should be able too,
That is exactly the point The House of Lords were highlighting & its why the law/bill was rejected.

That is logical, They certainly need to clarify and clarify it fast before we get a mad final rush from the Romanians etc. ;). The date should be set within weeks as apposed to months, Perhaps it should have been done months ago. Temporary visas would have been a good idea but I suspect the EU would argue that's against human rights or fine us etc...
#14
It is somewhat ironic that it is the Lib Dem peers causing the grief for the government
when they are/were the ones wanting to reform the house X)
#15
I think if you look at the wording you will find that it is simply a " Proposal " and that is what HOL is voting on!
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thewongwing101
YouDontWantToKnow
thewongwing101
Just because the Lords have done something 'right' and 'fair'
does not make it 'right' and 'fair' that they are completely unaccountable !
Yep
Lets all have a House of Lords that are elected.
Basically a 2nd chamber that consists of Labs & Cons voting the same as the Commons?
What a great idea & what a waste of money. Everyone voting the way of the Government regardless of right or wrong.
Classic.
Either you believe in democracy or you don't.
I for one think it is just wrong for the people making these decisions to be their because of 'right of birth'
they are a Bishop or because they have been 'appointed' by another politician

Let me put it this way.

The House of Lords just saved this country yet again. They cannot pass laws but they can reject them.

& thank God they rejected this stupid ill thought out piece of legislation that implied all EU citizens could be removed regardless of how many decades they have lived in the country.

BUT you believe in democracy SO you must believe in the exorcism of EU nationals from this country.
#17
Surely this is something that will need to be negotiated with the other EU countries?
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I wonder if the EU will reciprocate and permit British citizens to remain in its nations after Brexit?

I believe that EU citizens (already working and living here) should be allowed to stay if they please, but the same needs to apply to Brits living in the crumbling EU.
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Amazing they should wake from their 5 star slumber and raise issues about rights of migrants ( without any reciprocal deal on the table for ex pats) but keep silent about benefits cuts and disability cuts , Care homes closing , the state of the NHS,the Hillsborough disgrace etc .
This is direct interference of an elected government , directed by the electorate and is a total disgrace . Unelected individuals , cronies of politicians and hypocritical ex MPs fleecing the public coffers of £300 a day (and expenses) . Time for a referendum to abolish this public funded gravy train .

Edited By: plodging on Mar 02, 2017 09:43
#20
So the EU negotiators decree that the 1.2m UK nationals are no longer welcome in the EU countries and have to return. Can we cope with an influx of 1.2m 'refugees'.
#21
plodging
Amazing they should wake from their 5 star slumber and raise issues about rights of migrants ( without any reciprocal deal on the table for ex pats) but keep silent about benefits cuts and disability cuts , Care homes closing , the state of the NHS,the Hillsborough disgrace etc .
This is direct interference of an elected government , directed by the electorate and is a total disgrace . Unelected individuals , cronies of politicians and hypocritical ex MPs fleecing the public coffers of £300 a day (and expenses) . Time for a referendum to abolish this public funded gravy train .

Surely we don't need another referendum. Either the government sees fit to abolish the current House of Lords and replace it with an elected upper house or it believes that for all its faults it is a valuable chamber of Parliament. A public vote on a national scale isn't needed and I doubt the British public would have the apetite for one.

Edited By: RossD89 on Mar 02, 2017 09:52
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I don't mind them interfering as long as it's reciprocal. If the EU, when it comes to the negotiations, then decide British citizens have no rights to stay in other countries, what leverage do we have?
hopefully the government will throw it back at the lords,
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RossD89
plodging
Amazing they should wake from their 5 star slumber and raise issues about rights of migrants ( without any reciprocal deal on the table for ex pats) but keep silent about benefits cuts and disability cuts , Care homes closing , the state of the NHS,the Hillsborough disgrace etc .
This is direct interference of an elected government , directed by the electorate and is a total disgrace . Unelected individuals , cronies of politicians and hypocritical ex MPs fleecing the public coffers of £300 a day (and expenses) . Time for a referendum to abolish this public funded gravy train .
Surely we don't need another referendum. Either the government sees fit to abolish the current House of Lords and replace it with an elected upper house or it believes that for all its faults it is a valuable chamber of Parliament. A public vote on a national scale isn't needed and I doubt the British public would have the apetite for one.
The government will never abolish it as a lot of MPs benefit from it in the future .. It's their gold plated pension scheme.

Edited By: plodging on Mar 02, 2017 09:56
#24
shadey12
I don't mind them interfering as long as it's reciprocal. If the EU, when it comes to the negotiations, then decide British citizens have no rights to stay in other countries, what leverage do we have?
hopefully the government will throw it back at the lords,
So true , everyone wants to see this issue sorted . It was mentioned as an issue to the EU by the UK , before negotiations began ,and was rejected out of hand by the EU.
#25
Get em out, that's what Brexits about! Flip this Lords decisions and get those over here, back to there homelands.
#26
Dumbstruck
So the EU negotiators decree that the 1.2m UK nationals are no longer welcome in the EU countries and have to return. Can we cope with an influx of 1.2m 'refugees'.
Yeah cos 4 times that many would be leaving . The point is nobody wants this scenario , it's inhuman , but the lords have no place in dictating issues of this nature .

Edited By: plodging on Mar 02, 2017 10:04
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groenleader
Get em out, that's what Brexits about! Flip this Lords decisions and get those over here, back to there homelands.

Strange... This is what my ballot paper said:

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/448598.jpg

It certainly didn't say "Leave the European Union and kick out all those dirty foreigners"
1 Like #28
danielbentham
The whole point they were leaving the EU residents out of it was to ensure we could get a reciprocal deal for our UK citizens in Europe. The lords in their great wisdom thought we should let the EU use our citizens as a bargaining chip.
I agree that the EU residents should be allowed to stay here but I also think the UK citizens in Europe should have exactly the same rights.
+1

as per Lord Strathclyde's comments/video on the same link
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shadey12
I don't mind them interfering as long as it's reciprocal. If the EU, when it comes to the negotiations, then decide British citizens have no rights to stay in other countries, what leverage do we have?
hopefully the government will throw it back at the lords,
Exactly, if this stupid decision is upheld then we have no bargaining power for a reciprocal agreement for UK nationals living abroad. Instead the EU would be able to force concessions from us in other areas, something the government is quite rightly trying to avoid.
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RossD89
groenleader
Get em out, that's what Brexits about! Flip this Lords decisions and get those over here, back to there homelands.

Strange... This is what my ballot paper said:

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/448598.jpg

It certainly didn't say "Leave the European Union and kick out all those dirty foreigners"


the reason EU citizens are here and British citizens are in Europe is because we are in the EU, therefore if we leave the EU these things need negotiating, not deciding by the lords before we start negotiating.
you don't go to buy a £1000 car and put a £1000 pound on the table, then ask for a discount.
#31
shadey12
RossD89
groenleader
Get em out, that's what Brexits about! Flip this Lords decisions and get those over here, back to there homelands.
Strange... This is what my ballot paper said:http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/448598.jpg
It certainly didn't say "Leave the European Union and kick out all those dirty foreigners"
the reason EU citizens are here and British citizens are in Europe is because we are in the EU, therefore if we leave the EU these things need negotiating, not deciding by the lords before we start negotiating.
you don't go to buy a £1000 car and put a £1000 pound on the table, then ask for a discount.

Not sure how that's relevant to my comment...
#32
RossD89
shadey12
RossD89
groenleader
Get em out, that's what Brexits about! Flip this Lords decisions and get those over here, back to there homelands.
Strange... This is what my ballot paper said:http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/448598.jpg
It certainly didn't say "Leave the European Union and kick out all those dirty foreigners"
the reason EU citizens are here and British citizens are in Europe is because we are in the EU, therefore if we leave the EU these things need negotiating, not deciding by the lords before we start negotiating.
you don't go to buy a £1000 car and put a £1000 pound on the table, then ask for a discount.

Not sure how that's relevant to my comment...


what do you think leaving the EU means?
#33
shadey12
RossD89
shadey12
RossD89
groenleader
Get em out, that's what Brexits about! Flip this Lords decisions and get those over here, back to there homelands.
Strange... This is what my ballot paper said:http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/448598.jpg
It certainly didn't say "Leave the European Union and kick out all those dirty foreigners"
the reason EU citizens are here and British citizens are in Europe is because we are in the EU, therefore if we leave the EU these things need negotiating, not deciding by the lords before we start negotiating.
you don't go to buy a £1000 car and put a £1000 pound on the table, then ask for a discount.
Not sure how that's relevant to my comment...
what do you think leaving the EU means?
To me, leaving the EU means no longer electing MEPs which, considering the largest UK party representation in the EU Parliament is UKIP, is an extremely good thing.

Others, though, might have been swung by the empty promises made by various Leave 'backers' into thinking that a Leave vote meant a lot more. (Obviously not the £350m a week for the NHS promise because that's too big a lie to be swallowed by even the dumbest of Leave voters)
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Altogether now..................
Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
:3

Edited By: Humphman on Mar 02, 2017 11:56
banned 2 Likes #35
Humphman

Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.:3

Yep. We just made people slaves, raped countries of assets & sat back with a big navy
1 Like #36
YouDontWantToKnow
thewongwing101
Just because the Lords have done something 'right' and 'fair'
does not make it 'right' and 'fair' that they are completely unaccountable !
Yep
Lets all have a House of Lords that are elected.
Basically a 2nd chamber that consists of Labs & Cons voting the same as the Commons?
What a great idea & what a waste of money. Everyone voting the way of the Government regardless of right or wrong.
Classic.
Of course there's no money wasted with the current system is there.
#facepalm

Edited By: 50pEachwayJay on Mar 02, 2017 12:14
#37
There will be a reciprocal deal. Perhaps the EU should have gone first but they are 27 countries, we are one so it's more straightforward for us to decide policy.
The Lord's don't interfere often but I imagine there was such impetus to do this because it's the decent thing to do.
#38
RossD89
groenleader
Get em out, that's what Brexits about! Flip this Lords decisions and get those over here, back to there homelands.
Strange... This is what my ballot paper said:http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/448598.jpg
It certainly didn't say "Leave the European Union and kick out all those dirty foreigners"

Its wot it implied obvs (_;)
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RonChew
shadey12
RossD89
shadey12
RossD89
groenleader
Get em out, that's what Brexits about! Flip this Lords decisions and get those over here, back to there homelands.
Strange... This is what my ballot paper said:http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/448598.jpg
It certainly didn't say "Leave the European Union and kick out all those dirty foreigners"
the reason EU citizens are here and British citizens are in Europe is because we are in the EU, therefore if we leave the EU these things need negotiating, not deciding by the lords before we start negotiating.
you don't go to buy a £1000 car and put a £1000 pound on the table, then ask for a discount.
Not sure how that's relevant to my comment...
what do you think leaving the EU means?
To me, leaving the EU means no longer electing MEPs which, considering the largest UK party representation in the EU Parliament is UKIP, is an extremely good thing.
Others, though, might have been swung by the empty promises made by various Leave 'backers' into thinking that a Leave vote meant a lot more. (Obviously not the £350m a week for the NHS promise because that's too big a lie to be swallowed by even the dumbest of Leave voters)

I agree they should have said we would have £250 million a week that can be spent in the UK rather than blown on EU funded white elephants such as the 1.1billion euro Ciudad Real Central airport in Spain that was sold off to China for £7,000.
#40
Rom
There will be a reciprocal deal. Perhaps the EU should have gone first but they are 27 countries, we are one so it's more straightforward for us to decide policy.
The Lord's don't interfere often but I imagine there was such impetus to do this because it's the decent thing to do.
The EU turned down the offer of " the decent thing to do " a while back , hence this situation .

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