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3d Gaming, the Options

johnjoedb Avatar
5y, 7m agoPosted 5 years, 7 months ago
Recently 3d has been advertised on television sets and computer monitors over buzz words such as hd, 120HZ... are also a selling factor of many Monitors: but what those this really mean?

Note 1: 3d gaming is possible with an ati card or nvedia card...
Note 2: This is written expressively for Microsoft operating system will try to include some Information about Linux in the future
Note 3: Would like to thank the following people: PhearFactor, Benjimoron
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5y, 7m agoPosted 5 years, 7 months ago
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Before starting we can note that the reason Man see in 3d is because we have two eyes observing the same thing
Most animals don't because each eye is observing different spaces which gives them a wider viewing angle

(Any help rewriting this intro would be great just wanted to give an intuitive basis as to how 3d might work)

History of 3d:
3d has been around since the beginning of the century and the 3d used on todays televisions has been around since the 80's
Stereoscopic 3d
Shutter Glasses 3d
It is not a new form of media such as publicity encourages us to believe

How 3d Works
3d is normally done through the generation of two images each slightly off put (what does this mean for gaming and films)
-Films (until recently filming was done with normal cameras the offput is entered manually using depth's; 3d cameras have two adjacent cameras so the offput is automatic providing a lot better affect)
-Games (the calculation of space and distance is realized by the graphic card the offput is therefore easily calculated) two methods exist:
-3d Two images are generated from a particular off put (like looking through two eyes at the same thing)
-2d + depth: less processing required for the image is generated once with a depth z assigned to object

Requirements
A descent graphic card for gaming recommend
Graphic card Benchmark
The better the graphic card the better the result
A descent processor for video software dual core..
120Hz refers to the refresh rate of the screen

Different types of 3d
At the moment three mainstream types of 3d exist:
-Stereoscopic 3d each offset is attributed a colour (red cyan) and is then filtered back through each eye. The main issue is leakage of colours but the result is great and produces a descent depth. People with a weak eye are not recommended to use this
-Polarised, is one of the best options cheaper than shutter glasses and less annoying to the eye (no flicker), used in cinemas
-Shutter glasses, most expensive supported by sonny and Nvidea

Different set ups possible
-Red cyan: any monitor can be used cheapest solution just need red cyan glasses
Red-Cyan 3d glasses
For playing games:
3d vision Discovery
iZ3D stereoscopic
For Films:
3dTV software
-Polarized, needs a compatible screen and needs polarized glasses, Thanks to Benjimoron
Polarized Glasses
Compatible screens
Note 1:Not compatible with sli or crossfire (two or more graphic cards)
Note 2: does not support dx10 or higher
-Shutter glasses
Edimensionel stereo 3d
edimensional Review
not the best but cheap (any monitor can be used, only supports a small range of games)
or nVidia GeForce 3D Vision Kit
Nvedia GeForce 3d Review
Compatible screens:
3d 120hz LCD
Set could possibly work on a crt screen
CRT screen

Over Ways To Improve your Experience
-Vibration Feed Back
Buttkicker (Uses powerful sub woofers to feel fully immersed in the game) Thanks to PhearFactor
Official Site
Video
-Surround Display (use several Displays while gaming) Thanks to Benjimoron
Nvedia
Ati
-Lights
Refereed to as ambx it adds lighting based on the overall display (example if playing crisis in the jungle the lighting will be green)
Mad catz announces AMBx
-Lights/fans/vibration pads
Review Of Phillips AMbx

Software
3dTV software
Will play a 3d film in any selected format (red/cyan) (polarized) (shutter glasses) please note only specific 3d films are compatible
iZ3D software
One of the best alternatives to nvidea allows Ati cards to play in 3d (red/cyan) 60hz (polarized) 60hz (shutter glasses) 120hz
Nvidea 3d
Only Supports Vista and Seven

Future of 3d
Crisis marked the gaming scene back in 2007 with Warhead and Crisis 2 is going to do much better:
It integrates 2d with z axis into the game, specifically optimized for crisis
This is less intrusive on the processing requirement and may be the step that all future gaming companies take
This would advertise the cheap Stereoscopic method and hopefully lead to a huge development in the next couple of year

Photos
http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab344/johnjoedb/5kmk-1.jpg
3d vision discovery
http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab344/johnjoedb/PolarisedGlasses.jpg
Polarized Glasses
http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab344/johnjoedb/NvidiaGeforce3Dshutterglasses.jpg
Shutter glasses

Useful Links (for further interest)
Association of 3d gammers
How 3d Television Works
Holograms technology can now be used with colors and produces a great effect
Hologram Technology
One of the main uses could be for architects, a simple solution is four screens which rotate at hight speed displaying part of the image from different angles
3d without the glasses
Circular Polarized 3d could be the future of gaming (no limitation of were you need to be position according to the screen
Ciculare Polarization Thanks to Benjimoron

Happy Gaming, John



Edited By: johnjoedb on Apr 29, 2011 22:40: .
#2
Hope it helps please leave feedback

Help would be appreciated in terms of tags and any info i could add

Thank you john

This is still a work in progress please don't buy anything based on this just verify it using Google or ask a question here and i will try to get back as soon as possible




Edited By: johnjoedb on Apr 27, 2011 22:52: .
banned 9 Likes #3
#4
Paddy Charlie

Brilliant.
2 Likes #5
"We're Gamming, We're Gamming, I Hope You Like Gamming Too"
#6
Cheers for the feedback lol, changed it
#7
i think 3d is a complete waste of time personally

not ur thread though btw

Edited By: joeprosho on Apr 27, 2011 16:36
#8
I think the main wast of time is the hype its been given there are loads of solutions that no one knows about... don't know if that makes sense depends what you like...

Anyhow what i find cool about 3d is that gaming is more fun plus limits my time to an 1hour or 2 to much strain on the eyes lol, a great way of controlling the time i spend at it..
banned#9
prefer 2d to be fair.
#10
Haven't read it all, will do though, something that interests me.

"3d has been around since the beginning of the century"

Which century are we talking?
#11
"Polarized, needs a high refresh rate superior to 100hz but only needs polarised glasses"

Polarized usually uses 60Hz. There is no need for high refresh rate, unlike shutter glasses which require above 100Hz to be any good.
#12
"Polarized Glasses
Set up needs a crt screen"

Not sure if this refers to the polarized, but you do polarized with lcd screens (and projectors), not seen them on CRT.

You also get clockwise and anticlockwise polarization, rather than just horizontal and vertical like your picture shows, but that's being picky lol!!!

Edited By: Benjimoron on Apr 27, 2011 18:56
#13
guess it depends on what you mean like statues are 3d images, paintings with several layers are 3d like in the 16th century were several layers were used to add depth and shades i was particularity referring to beginning 20th century so 1900 when red cyan 3d started....

Ps holograms were invented in the 50's

From what i have read polarized glasses need 100hz or more to deliver a playable solution at least thats what the software available specifies but again not sure based on a few years of googling and thinking about it none of this is really researched in depth just trying to answer a few question which come up regularly

Haven't heard of anti clockwise thing will have to add to this at some stage quite a lot needs to be cleaned up and specifies its just the research about 3d gaming keeps bringing me back to Nvedia and not the cheaper alternatives.....

Thanks for the comments
1 Like #14
Im gonna skip 3d and hold out for 4d, though my mate says 36d is pretty good to watch.
#15
If I was going to spend a load on my PC for gaming, then it would be some sort of triple monitor set-up rather than 3D. Maybe a buttkicker. Some better speakers and such. 3D would probably make me even worse of a gammer than I already am.

PC Gamming is the place to lul though, fo' sure.
#16
haha splatspatsplat 4d? all you need to do is play a game like black ops and you have 4d the 4th dimension is basically the dimension of time seeing the 4th dimension would mean you can see any point in time i would say cod black ops has a bit of 4d in it lol...

3d gaming is good but depends what you like

PhearFactor a buttkicker??? sounds funny there was something by logiteck that included lights fans and rumble pads guess it all about getting the experience anyhow nothing beats golden eye on n64 with a few mates to get the proper experience of war lol
#17
You never seen the buttkicker? Dude! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=863qEkuqcUs

X)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ady5fjbbMgI haha

Edited By: PhearFactor on Apr 27, 2011 23:06
#18
ha cheers for the link will check it out tomorrow (have no sound atm)

Ha watched the second clip and could not help but think about earthquakes... that would give people a true experience

Edited By: johnjoedb on Apr 27, 2011 23:21: .
#19
johnjoedb
guess it depends on what you mean like statues are 3d images, paintings with several layers are 3d like in the 16th century were several layers were used to add depth and shades i was particularity referring to beginning 20th century so 1900 when red cyan 3d started....

Ps holograms were invented in the 50's

From what i have read polarized glasses need 100hz or more to deliver a playable solution at least thats what the software available specifies but again not sure based on a few years of googling and thinking about it none of this is really researched in depth just trying to answer a few question which come up regularly

Haven't heard of anti clockwise thing will have to add to this at some stage quite a lot needs to be cleaned up and specifies its just the research about 3d gaming keeps bringing me back to Nvedia and not the cheaper alternatives.....

Thanks for the comments


Polarized doesn't need any particular refresh rate, as the light is seperated to each eye but polarizing it in a different direction. The shutter glasses rely on shutting off each eye for half the time thus with 60Hz each eye would get 30Hz, which isn't enough. Therefore you need at least 100Hz to make it any good.

Both methods have their good and bad points.

As Phear said, 3 screens to give periphrial vision, maybe headtracking or better sound equipment arguable add more to a game. 3d can be fun but I'd say it can make you worse at games at times.
#20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_polarization

I don't know in depth about this stuff, this may be linked to vertical and horizontal polarization.
#21
Yep you seem right, from what iv researched you don't need 120Hz but it creates a better depth but it most be something else then cause all site recommend the 3d displays for polarized 3d http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/3d-polarized-projector,2589-5.html
1 Like #22
I doubt 120Hz would make a difference on polarized displays, your eye can only recognise around 70Hz so having extra would be pointless (note that it's needed with the Nvidia solution as the glasses half the effective refresh rate to 60Hz).

Also, the only 2 main polarized monitors I can think of are the Zalman and the IZ3D range, both are 60Hz I believe, as are any projectors that use the system. I've never seen a 120Hz one.
#23
Must admit that your right, corrected it also sli or crossfire are not supported by iz3d polarized (not sure about shutter glasses) also no support for dx10 or higher and not sure if it work on vista or higher... this 3d seen seems a bit of a disappointment at the moment... 3d discovery seems like the best option to have a bit of fun but serious gamers..
#24
Interesting guide and information. Thanks
#25
Cheers for that still trying to understand some of the stuff myself lol
but as iv now added to the info crisis 2 is natively supporting stereoscopic 3d
so hopefully will lead to a higher awareness of the technology
#26
johnjoedb
Must admit that your right, corrected it also sli or crossfire are not supported by iz3d polarized (not sure about shutter glasses) also no support for dx10 or higher and not sure if it work on vista or higher... this 3d seen seems a bit of a disappointment at the moment... 3d discovery seems like the best option to have a bit of fun but serious gamers..


It's a massive minefield of different techs and different manufacturers unfortunately. You've really got to know how you want the system to end up when you start buying bits. It's no good buying an ati card then wanting to use the shutter glasses as I don't believe they work together. So you'd have to buy an Nvidia card.

I'll try to add some more stuff if I get time. Thanks for taking the time to write this stuff though. I love 3d and eyefinity, virtual reality etc.
#27
Yep feels like that, think i set a few off but hopefully with your help and some over people will be able to finish this little guide to 3d atm really need to look into the shutter glass with iz3d software see what it works with (think only xp and dx9), which is no good for most people...

Anyway according to iZ3D wants ati and nvedia see 3d as a good market then the scene will develop quite rapidly think crisis 2 which should be out soon will be a majeur step towards this

On another note 3ds and ps3 could also be great or bad read recently that if game consoles didn't exist then so much more money would be invested in pcs and the pc gaming scene would be way more advanced and cheaper (but suppose its the same with everything

ps: Happy royal wedding day... or whatever its called

Edited By: johnjoedb on Apr 29, 2011 22:55

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