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57 per cent of single mothers have never lived with a male partner

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banned5y, 10m agoPosted 5 years, 10 months ago
Just read this on a blog and found it astonishing. Plenty of single mothers do a great job, but the presence of a father can't be overstated in my opinion.

Hopefully the Tories can try and reverse this trend.
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banned5y, 10m agoPosted 5 years, 10 months ago
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Hopefully the Tories can try and reverse this trend.


How?
2 Likes #2
Just read this on a blog and found it astonishing.
..Must be true if it was posted on a blog, eh?

the presence of a father can't be overstated in my opinion.
..Fair enough

Hopefully the Tories can try and reverse this trend.
.. Doubt it.

/thread.
banned#3
StevenA2000_uk
Just read this on a blog and found it astonishing.

..Must be true if it was posted on a blog, eh?


I was going to raise my suspicions of this in my original post, but I chose not to. It was on a Sky News blog who I recognise have ideological reasons for lying. It seems to have come from a think-tank's report.

As for what the government could do -

they could remove incentives for women who get pregnant. That could be the financial rewards, the housing rewards etc.

they could give tax breaks to families.

It's not easy and it's something that seems to be ingrained in society now, but surely we need to recognise that it's not a good thing that so many kids are raised in this environment.
banned#4
Very sad news :(
#5
FilthAndFurry
StevenA2000_uk
Just read this on a blog and found it astonishing.
..Must be true if it was posted on a blog, eh?
I was going to raise my suspicions of this in my original post, but I chose not to. It was on a Sky News blog who I recognise have ideological reasons for lying. It seems to have come from a think-tank's report.As for what the government could do - they could remove incentives for women who get pregnant. That could be the financial rewards, the housing rewards etc.they could give tax breaks to families.It's not easy and it's something that seems to be ingrained in society now, but surely we need to recognise that it's not a good thing that so many kids are raised in this environment.

"57 per cent of single mothers have never lived with a male partner" was the OP title.

Can you explain how the above reply statements you made relate to this and how the governments action would directly reduce this? For example, you said "remove incentives for women who get pregnant"; how would this acton by the goverment reduce the percentage of single mothers who have never lived with a partner?
2 Likes #6
How can the Tories reverse this????????
Thats just a biggoted response What are they gonna do? make it illegal to be a single mother, Force them to live with the father of their children??? before the right wing trolls start NOT all single parents claim benefits, most have jobs and do an excellent job in raising their children
5 Likes #7
DLM
Very sad news :(
i agree it's sad if the mother has never lived with a partner but i was married as you know and i'm far happier now being a single mum than i ever was with him

Edited By: missp27 on Jan 08, 2011 11:34
#8
DLM
Very sad news :(

Honestly DLM....tut tut...:p
banned 1 Like #9
Too many fussy women out there.
banned#10
StevenA2000_uk
DLM
Very sad news :(
Honestly DLM....tut tut...:p

What? oO

I do feel sorry for children who have no father in their lives :(

Edited By: DLM on Jan 08, 2011 11:35
1 Like #11
DLM
Too many fussy women out there.

I like you DLM....my kinda chick....:D
banned#12
fskinner
How can the Tories reverse this????????
Thats just a biggoted response What are they gonna do? make it illegal to be a single mother, Force them to live with the father of their children??? before the right wing trolls start NOT all single parents claim benefits, most have jobs and do an excellent job in raising their children


I didn't say all single parents claim benefits, because that would be as silly as saying 'most have jobs'.

And I recognise that many single mothers do excellent jobs, sacrificing a lot to raise their kids.

But that doesn't change the fact that if this statistic is in any way accurate, a lot of kids are being raised in households that don't have a paternal figure.

That is not a good thing (and I say that understanding not all fathers are ideal role models, it isn't a guarantee of a good upbringing etc.).
1 Like #13
thanks for that statisitc.....feel i can sleep better tonight.
banned 1 Like #14
StevenA2000_uk
DLM
Too many fussy women out there.
I like you DLM....my kinda chick....:D

Pming you nudes now :p
banned#15
StevenA2000_uk
FilthAndFurry
StevenA2000_uk
Just read this on a blog and found it astonishing.
..Must be true if it was posted on a blog, eh?
I was going to raise my suspicions of this in my original post, but I chose not to. It was on a Sky News blog who I recognise have ideological reasons for lying. It seems to have come from a think-tank's report.As for what the government could do - they could remove incentives for women who get pregnant. That could be the financial rewards, the housing rewards etc.they could give tax breaks to families.It's not easy and it's something that seems to be ingrained in society now, but surely we need to recognise that it's not a good thing that so many kids are raised in this environment.


"57 per cent of single mothers have never lived with a male partner" was the OP title.

Can you explain how the above reply statements you made relate to this and how the governments action would directly reduce this? For example, you said "remove incentives for women who get pregnant"; how would this acton by the goverment reduce the percentage of single mothers who have never lived with a partner?


Because it would target those women who either get pregnant just to get a house/benefits (and these women do actually exist), or it would educate through legislation that a two parent household is the best chance for a kid.
1 Like #16
DLM
StevenA2000_uk
DLM
Too many fussy women out there.
I like you DLM....my kinda chick....:D
Pming you nudes now :p

awesome...perfect start to the weekend! :D
#17
might av known it was you postin FilthAndFurry, should have known better than to reply, you have got to be the most right wing biggoted poster i have ever read. good day
#18
FilthAndFurry
StevenA2000_uk
FilthAndFurry
StevenA2000_uk
Just read this on a blog and found it astonishing.
..Must be true if it was posted on a blog, eh?
I was going to raise my suspicions of this in my original post, but I chose not to. It was on a Sky News blog who I recognise have ideological reasons for lying. It seems to have come from a think-tank's report.As for what the government could do - they could remove incentives for women who get pregnant. That could be the financial rewards, the housing rewards etc.they could give tax breaks to families.It's not easy and it's something that seems to be ingrained in society now, but surely we need to recognise that it's not a good thing that so many kids are raised in this environment.
"57 per cent of single mothers have never lived with a male partner" was the OP title. Can you explain how the above reply statements you made relate to this and how the governments action would directly reduce this? For example, you said "remove incentives for women who get pregnant"; how would this acton by the goverment reduce the percentage of single mothers who have never lived with a partner?
Because it would target those women who either get pregnant just to get a house/benefits (and these women do actually exist), or it would educate through legislation that a two parent household is the best chance for a kid.

bit of an extremist view.....and still doesnt address your OP. You're wavering off your own point and statement yet again FnF.....oh wait, but that IS the intention isnt it? ;-)


Edited By: StevenA2000_uk on Jan 08, 2011 11:40
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FilthAndFurry
StevenA2000_uk
FilthAndFurry
StevenA2000_uk
Just read this on a blog and found it astonishing.
..Must be true if it was posted on a blog, eh?
I was going to raise my suspicions of this in my original post, but I chose not to. It was on a Sky News blog who I recognise have ideological reasons for lying. It seems to have come from a think-tank's report.As for what the government could do - they could remove incentives for women who get pregnant. That could be the financial rewards, the housing rewards etc.they could give tax breaks to families.It's not easy and it's something that seems to be ingrained in society now, but surely we need to recognise that it's not a good thing that so many kids are raised in this environment.


"57 per cent of single mothers have never lived with a male partner" was the OP title.

Can you explain how the above reply statements you made relate to this and how the governments action would directly reduce this? For example, you said "remove incentives for women who get pregnant"; how would this acton by the goverment reduce the percentage of single mothers who have never lived with a partner?


Because it would target those women who either get pregnant just to get a house/benefits (and these women do actually exist), or it would educate through legislation that a two parent household is the best chance for a kid.


ppl have a kid to get a house? wow.....i didnt know that....thats lame.
banned#20
fskinner
might av known it was you postin FilthAndFurry, should have known better than to reply, you have got to be the most right wing biggoted poster i have ever read. good day


It's funny because I usually get accused of being a leftie :D

Being accused by idiots on both sides of the ideological divide is hardly a scarlet letter.
banned 1 Like #21
StevenA2000_uk
FilthAndFurry
StevenA2000_uk
FilthAndFurry
StevenA2000_uk
Just read this on a blog and found it astonishing.
..Must be true if it was posted on a blog, eh?
I was going to raise my suspicions of this in my original post, but I chose not to. It was on a Sky News blog who I recognise have ideological reasons for lying. It seems to have come from a think-tank's report.As for what the government could do - they could remove incentives for women who get pregnant. That could be the financial rewards, the housing rewards etc.they could give tax breaks to families.It's not easy and it's something that seems to be ingrained in society now, but surely we need to recognise that it's not a good thing that so many kids are raised in this environment.
"57 per cent of single mothers have never lived with a male partner" was the OP title. Can you explain how the above reply statements you made relate to this and how the governments action would directly reduce this? For example, you said "remove incentives for women who get pregnant"; how would this acton by the goverment reduce the percentage of single mothers who have never lived with a partner?
Because it would target those women who either get pregnant just to get a house/benefits (and these women do actually exist), or it would educate through legislation that a two parent household is the best chance for a kid.


bit of an extremist view.....


Extremist in what way?

There are women who do get pregnant just to get a council house. It's sad and I feel sorry for these women who have no higher expectations for themselves. The education system needs overhauling to give these people a better shot at life, but we also have to remove the reward for such frivolous attitudes towards parenthood.
banned 2 Likes #22
How many single fathers have never lived with a woman?
1 Like #23
magicbeans
thanks for that statisitc.....feel i can sleep better tonight.


innit
banned#24
DLM
How many single fathers have never lived with a woman?


I don't know. I would say with the way our society sees parenthood it would be considerably lower.

I'd hazard a guess that it would be less than 1% due to the custody laws in this country.
#25
From this ..................
57 per cent of single mothers have never lived with a male partner
FilthAndFurry, posted 28 minutes agoJust read this on a blog and found it astonishing. Plenty of single mothers do a great job, but the presence of a father can't be overstated in my opinion.

Hopefully the Tories can try and reverse this trend.

to this................................
Extremist in what way?

There are women who do get pregnant just to get a council house. It's sad and I feel sorry for these women who have no higher expectations for themselves. The education system needs overhauling to give these people a better shot at life, but we also have to remove the reward for such frivolous attitudes towards parenthood.

"bit of an extremist view.....and still doesnt address your OP. You're wavering off your own point and statement yet again FnF.....oh wait, but that IS the intention isnt it? ;-)"

Point and win to me yet again....... you're far too predictable FnF....
banned 1 Like #26
Where does Elton John's baby fit in?
#27
Just to point out that of the 57% of the 100 asked, where all Prostitutes.
banned#28
ilovepink
magicbeans
thanks for that statisitc.....feel i can sleep better tonight.


innit


Unlike some posters on here, I didn't start this thread to have a pop at single mothers.
banned#29
StevenA2000_uk
From this ..................
57 per cent of single mothers have never lived with a male partner
FilthAndFurry, posted 28 minutes agoJust read this on a blog and found it astonishing. Plenty of single mothers do a great job, but the presence of a father can't be overstated in my opinion.

Hopefully the Tories can try and reverse this trend.


to this................................
Extremist in what way?

There are women who do get pregnant just to get a council house. It's sad and I feel sorry for these women who have no higher expectations for themselves. The education system needs overhauling to give these people a better shot at life, but we also have to remove the reward for such frivolous attitudes towards parenthood.


"bit of an extremist view.....and still doesnt address your OP. You're wavering off your own point and statement yet again FnF.....oh wait, but that IS the intention isnt it? ;-)"

Point and win to me yet again....... you're far too predictable FnF....


I've clearly upset you in an earlier discussion, although I don't remember when. I apologise.

I don't quite see the wavering though....the points are intertwined to me.

Maybe you could present your own view on the issue. Again I apologise for upsetting you previously. I don't see this as a 'game', just a place to offer views.
banned 1 Like #30
DLM
Where does Elton John's baby fit in?


They're a two parent family who I believe have residence in America. They aren't part of this discussion.
#31
FilthAndFurry
ilovepink
magicbeans
thanks for that statisitc.....feel i can sleep better tonight.


innit


Unlike some posters on here, I didn't start this thread to have a pop at single mothers.


I didnt say you did :)

It is sad if that stat is true but would you rather people had stayed together unhappy and cause upset to the child(ren)
I know families on both sides, ones that think staying together is better for the kids (when it clearly isnt)
and another family who get on so much better not being a couple

weird i know, unless the government are gonna force people to get on and live togethhr i really dont see what they can do

Edited By: ilovepink on Jan 08, 2011 11:53
banned#32
FilthAndFurry
DLM
Where does Elton John's baby fit in?
They're a two parent family who I believe have residence in America. They aren't part of this discussion.

Ok me bad :(
[helper] 1 Like #33
FilthAndFurry
Unlike some posters on here, I didn't start this thread to have a pop at single mothers.
So what are you wanting to discuss in this thread? the importance of fathers as role models? what incentives should there be to encourage marriage?
From your initial post it does look like your having a go a single women..........or are you criticising men for not commiting to relationships?

PS considering every year or so a Tory MP leaves their family home due to their affairs or suddenly discovering they are gay - I doubt they are in any position to influence this.......

Edited By: gari189 on Jan 08, 2011 12:01
1 Like #34
FilthAndFurry
StevenA2000_uk
From this ..................
57 per cent of single mothers have never lived with a male partnerFilthAndFurry, posted 28 minutes agoJust read this on a blog and found it astonishing. Plenty of single mothers do a great job, but the presence of a father can't be overstated in my opinion. Hopefully the Tories can try and reverse this trend.
to this................................
Extremist in what way?There are women who do get pregnant just to get a council house. It's sad and I feel sorry for these women who have no higher expectations for themselves. The education system needs overhauling to give these people a better shot at life, but we also have to remove the reward for such frivolous attitudes towards parenthood.
"bit of an extremist view.....and still doesnt address your OP. You're wavering off your own point and statement yet again FnF.....oh wait, but that IS the intention isnt it? ;-)"Point and win to me yet again....... you're far too predictable FnF....
I've clearly upset you in an earlier discussion, although I don't remember when. I apologise.I don't quite see the wavering though....the points are intertwined to me.Maybe you could present your own view on the issue. Again I apologise for upsetting you previously. I don't see this as a 'game', just a place to offer views.

FnF...you entertain me with these vain attempts at debate, not upset me. However I do see you trying hard.

The OP doesnt ask nor infer that I should present my own view. The OP was a set of statements, nothing more. There wasnt anything else requested from the audience other than to read and acknowledge, but thanks for the opportunity.
#35
StevenA2000_uk
FilthAndFurry
StevenA2000_uk
From this ..................
57 per cent of single mothers have never lived with a male partnerFilthAndFurry, posted 28 minutes agoJust read this on a blog and found it astonishing. Plenty of single mothers do a great job, but the presence of a father can't be overstated in my opinion. Hopefully the Tories can try and reverse this trend.
to this................................
Extremist in what way?There are women who do get pregnant just to get a council house. It's sad and I feel sorry for these women who have no higher expectations for themselves. The education system needs overhauling to give these people a better shot at life, but we also have to remove the reward for such frivolous attitudes towards parenthood.
"bit of an extremist view.....and still doesnt address your OP. You're wavering off your own point and statement yet again FnF.....oh wait, but that IS the intention isnt it? ;-)"Point and win to me yet again....... you're far too predictable FnF....
I've clearly upset you in an earlier discussion, although I don't remember when. I apologise.I don't quite see the wavering though....the points are intertwined to me.Maybe you could present your own view on the issue. Again I apologise for upsetting you previously. I don't see this as a 'game', just a place to offer views.


FnF...you entertain me with these vain attempts at debate, not upset me. However I do see you trying hard.

The OP doesnt ask nor infer that I should present my own view. The OP was a set of statements, nothing more. There wasnt anything else requested from the audience other than to read and acknowledge, but thanks for the opportunity.


^^ this.

also by reading 'male partner' you(?) are not necessarily referring to the children's father, any male will do is that right?
1 Like #36
DLM
Ok me bad :(

Okay DLM, a chick thats not fussy AND bad? Now your teasing me..... :D
banned#37
gari189
FilthAndFurry
Unlike some posters on here, I didn't start this thread to have a pop at single mothers.

So what are you wanting to discuss in this thread? the importance of fathers as role models? what incentives should there be to encourage marriage?
From your initial post it does look like your having a go a single women..........or are you criticising men for not commiting to relationships?


I think it's not as simple as saying it's simply one thing or another.

I think some men don't treat women with enough respect, treat themselves with enough respect or take responsibility for their actions.

At the same time I recognise that sadly some women do get pregnant for the wrong reasons.

But seeing that statistic (which undoubtably needs questioning) was quite shocking.

But even if it's half as bad, it's still not a good thing.

Personally I think a paternal role model is preferable in a child's upbringing.
#38
i don't think it matters that a single mother isn't living with a male partner as long as the children have a male role model somewhere in their lives.
my two children see my dad 3 or 4 times a week and have actually said to me that they see him more like a dad than a grandad.
#39
of te 57
WheresMeNuts
Just to point out that of the 57% of the 100 asked, where all Prostitutes.


i reckon the break down will actually have a lot of teenage mums.... ie kids who have NEVER LIVED OUT at all.....

99% of the 57% are stupid. then u have the odd case which u can sympathise with. but to have NEVER lived with a bloke but to have had his baby..... u can imagine how....and thats selling urself very short
banned#40
missp27
i don't think it matters that a single mother isn't living with a male partner as long as the children have a male role model somewhere in their lives.
my two children see my dad 3 or 4 times a week and have actually said to me that they see him more like a dad than a grandad.


Not to go to far into specifics, but I know what that relationship is like and it's not the same thing. There's the obvious age thing although that is easily overcome, but there's nothing like the father-son relationship. It's such a key part of a boy's upbringing and whilst I will reiterate my admiration for single mothers, it's not something that can be replaced.

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