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£60 fine for not displaying tax disc correctly, it had fallen into the car

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6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
Looking for some help.

I parked my car in a private David Lloyds (Sports Club) car park. My tax disc which is fully paid up (was due Nov 2009 and paid in Nov 2009) had fallen down into the footwell. A police women spotted this and spoke to me, he opening remark was "it's your unlucky day".

She checked my was was not stolen, and the car was fully taxed and MOT'ed. It all came back ok. But she decided to issue me with a £60 fine for not displaying the tax correctly.

I've paid the fine, but can I contest it as it was on private land. The David Lloyds car park in question is for members only, who have a car park permit and is located behind a barrier so approx 1/4 from the public road.

One other point I think the lady was a rookie as she's made a number of errors on the PCN slip. She's stated failed to display an MOT, and she's said the offence happened on a public road when it was in a private car park.

Looking for any pointers, or other web sites to check out.

Thanks
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6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
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#1
Contest it, a valid tax disk must be displayed if on a public highway but on private land they have no authority.

Not only would I apply to get the fine quashed I'd make a formal complaint also.
#2
take the slip and piont out you don't need to display the MOT and demand your money back.
#3
Count yourself lucky, my mate's car was crushed for this exact same thing. It took a long, drawn out battle with Croydon Council to get compensated for it.
#4
ErrorOperator
take the slip and piont out you don't need to display the MOT and demand your money back.


where do i take the slip to? a police station?
#5
On the back of the ticket it will state the appeal process.
1 Like #6
y did you pay the fine almost an accepting of crime,
#7
http://www.pepipoo.com

I know I wouldn't be paying it.
#8
mumbojumbo
MOT just stands for Ministry of Transport. Did it actually say "failure to display MOT test certficate"?


Offence Code 310, which is then cross out and replaced by 65, then "issued for no MOT displayed"
#9
jamstaruk1972
y did you pay the fine almost an accepting of crime,


I paid coz I was pee'd off and just wanted to "get rid" of them.
#10
soled73
mumbojumbo
MOT just stands for Ministry of Transport. Did it actually say "failure to display MOT test certficate"?


Offence Code 310, which is then cross out and replaced by 65, then "issued for no MOT displayed"



u sure it was a real cop?
#11
Challenge it. I dont think it will matter that you paid the fine.
#12
mumbojumbo
Yeah, it would be funny if someone got hold of a PCN pad and started issuing fines at random!
Don't try and get clever and challenge the MOT bit - who knows what they meant?
Just point out that you were on private property, and challenge the fine. You'll likely get it overturned.


Do I have to go to court, the back of the slip suggest this could happen, or do I just provide additional information for a court to consider?
banned#13
Did she see you drive from a public road onto private land...if that's the case that is all she needs. Do you have any witnesses to her opening comment. If not it's your word against hers, but is very unprofessional of her. Either way I would make a complaint, pointing out you are happy to pay the fine as you were in the wrong but feel it was dealt with badly.
#14
should have spoken with a Polish accent as they get leniency, well they do round here so it seems. or rely on pepipoo website who would probably state that all the errors you outlined would somehow void the fine.
#15
simplyjimbo
should have spoken with a Polish accent as they get leniency, well they do round here so it seems. or rely on pepipoo website who would probably state that all the errors you outlined would somehow void the fine.


Insecure much?
#16
lumoruk
Did she see you drive from a public road onto private land...if that's the case that is all she needs. Do you have any witnesses to her opening comment. If not it's your word against hers, but is very unprofessional of her. Either way I would make a complaint, pointing out you are happy to pay the fine as you were in the wrong but feel it was dealt with badly.


Did she see you drive from a public road onto private land - Nope, in fact she arrived after me, she was in a "panda" car and she parked next to me. Interestingly she parked in the "baby and toddler" bay, and you need a permit to park there. I had mine on the dash!!! She didn't have one, coz I looked, she also didn't have a baby car seat anywhere in the panda car! I find it quite funny I could cry. The car park itself is managed buy a private parking company, and if you don't have a valid toddler permit they issue a £60 parking fine. Anyway after the whole incident, she opened her boot, took out her sports bag and went into the gym.oO

Edited By: soled73 on Jul 27, 2010 23:54: spelling
#17
simplyjimbo
should have spoken with a Polish accent as they get leniency, well they do round here so it seems. or rely on pepipoo website who would probably state that all the errors you outlined would somehow void the fine.


Those damn polish, taking our jobs, stealing our women and evading our fines.
#18
jtx


Insecure much?


No just fed up with having cars in this area / country, UK plates or foreign, not being properly registered, insured and taxed despite never leaving the country at all in the past year. Plus I pay a fortune for road tax so why shouldn't they.

Now you have outlined that she went in to the gym surely she was off duty not least forgetting she was breaking a rule by parking in a baby and toddler space. Coppers as bad as the crooks they nick.

Edited By: simplyjimbo on Jul 27, 2010 23:57: edit
#19
lumoruk
I would make a complaint, pointing out you are happy to pay the fine as you were in the wrong but feel it was dealt with badly.


Happy to pay the fine for what?

My windscreen was dirty and it annoyed me all the way to the gym.

When I got there I got my Megulars and my microfibre cloths out of the boot (avid car cleaner ocd stylee)

Just as I'd finished and was admiring my freshly clean glass this cheeky copper comes over and wraps my window.

I'm on private property, it cost's me the best part of a ton a month for membership.

Why am I gonna pay a fine?
1 Like #20
simplyjimbo
Coppers as bad as the crooks they nick.


Anyone else you want to have a problem with? So far there's Polish, Police, Pepipoo.

Are you a member of the PPP?
#21
you have already said you have paid the fine ... how can you contest it ?
#22
jtx
simplyjimbo
Coppers as bad as the crooks they nick.


Anyone else you want to have a problem with? So far there's Polish, Police, Pepipoo.

Are you a member of the PPP?


Pepipoo are fine the site helps us legal drivers, the Police are only good when suits them. Considering that my car insurance costs me, and every other legal car driver, an average £30 more to insure due to uninsured drivers I think I have a right to voice my dissatisfaction.
#23
I am right in thinking that if he did not pay the fine on time it would have increased? so OP was best to pay it.

You can now contest it, process should be on ticket. If you lose, only £60 out of pocket and not more
#24
Chidda
I am right in thinking that if he did not pay the fine on time it would have increased? so OP was best to pay it.You can now contest it, process should be on ticket. If you lose, only £60 out of pocket and not more

what about court costs?
#25
with all those errors on the ticket it probably wouldn't reach a court, when my OH was fined, they had recorded down the number plate wrong on the ticket by mixing 2 digits, she appealed to it and then police man showed up next day after she had put in the appeal and said that she wouldn't have to pay due to the error of the information on the slip, that was the end of it, no turning up to court.

Edited By: Peterdj41 on Jul 28, 2010 01:23: typo
1 Like #26
This sounds confusing. A non endorsable ticket i.e one that does not carry a points endorsement is £30. One that carries an endorsement i.e. points on your license costs £60. Failing to display a tax disc would cost £30. You will not receive any points on your license. You have paid you fine but it appears you may be owed £30 for being fined the wrong code. Here is what to do. 1. Photocopy your tax disc. 2. Write a letter stating what I have just mentioned above and be quite formal and polite. Say that you have spoken to a legal representative and it is suggested that there is also some discrepancy on the ticket regarding the wrong code. i.e. The Officer wrote 'failed to display an MOT'. You can then add that you were also on private land at the time. i.e. David Llloyd Centre (and location). The end paragraph should read something like, " I would appreciate a full refund of the payment made to your office as the facts submitted are totally incorrect and before I paid this fine I did not refelct on what had been stated by the Officer. Hopefully you will get something back.
#27
Oh, by the way. You write to the Fixed Penalty Ticket Office of the area. It's somewhere on the ticket. You may have sent that off but you can find out the area on the local Police website. And, send the copyof your tax disc with the letter.

Edited By: Teltheboy on Jul 28, 2010 01:35: To add something
banned#28
jtx

Just as I'd finished and was admiring my freshly clean glass this cheeky copper comes over and wraps my window.


Sounds like she was hoping you would chat her up...you failed...so you've now got to pay for your fail ;)
#29
soled73
Chidda
I am right in thinking that if he did not pay the fine on time it would have increased? so OP was best to pay it.You can now contest it, process should be on ticket. If you lose, only £60 out of pocket and not more


what about court costs?


We got a ticket, sent letters to council, they took us to court over it, we won, cost us nothing, cost them a lot more than the £60 they sent us.

Yes it's annoying, and yes it takes time, but winning is sweet.
1 Like #30
Another vote for the excellent PePiPoo FightBack forums

Post your scanned ticket and message there, specifically in the Speeding and other Criminal Offences forum, and the very experienced and knowledgeable people there will attempt to help you, I'm sure.
#31
If she was off duty, surely she should not have been driving a police car?.
If she was off duty, would the ticket be legit?.
If she was on duty, she shouldnt be using the sports club.
#32
soled73
lumoruk
Did she see you drive from a public road onto private land...if that's the case that is all she needs. Do you have any witnesses to her opening comment. If not it's your word against hers, but is very unprofessional of her. Either way I would make a complaint, pointing out you are happy to pay the fine as you were in the wrong but feel it was dealt with badly.
Did she see you drive from a public road onto private land - Nope, in fact she arrived after me, she was in a "panda" car and she parked next to me. Interestingly she parked in the "baby and toddler" bay, and you need a permit to park there. I had mine on the dash!!! She didn't have one, coz I looked, she also didn't have a baby car seat anywhere in the panda car! I find it quite funny I could cry. The car park itself is managed buy a private parking company, and if you don't have a valid toddler permit they issue a £60 parking fine. Anyway after the whole incident, she opened her boot, took out her sports bag and went into the gym.oO
This?.
#33
soled73
jamstaruk1972
y did you pay the fine almost an accepting of crime,


I paid coz I was pee'd off and just wanted to "get rid" of them.


You paid who? Police don't take money at the roadside!
banned#34
Flynn Jack
soled73
jamstaruk1972
y did you pay the fine almost an accepting of crime,


I paid coz I was pee'd off and just wanted to "get rid" of them.


You paid who? Police don't take money at the roadside!


not quite true, there is the graduated fixed penalty brought in for foreign HGV found committing offences,
as for the failure to display type offences yes correct police don't take cash at the road side
#35
Sounds like the cop wanted to park in the mother & baby space without a proper permit so needed 60 quid in case she got fined later on - lol
#36
Did you get proof of payment op ? Im presuming you paid cash also ?
#37
Teltheboy
This sounds confusing. A non endorsable ticket i.e one that does not carry a points endorsement is £30. One that carries an endorsement i.e. points on your license costs £60. Failing to display a tax disc would cost £30. .

tax discs are now £60 another non endorsable is seatbelt which is also £60. they went up a couple of years back i think.
#38
dog_cop
Flynn Jack
soled73
jamstaruk1972
y did you pay the fine almost an accepting of crime,
I paid coz I was pee'd off and just wanted to "get rid" of them.
You paid who? Police don't take money at the roadside!
not quite true, there is the graduated fixed penalty brought in for foreign HGV found committing offences, as for the failure to display type offences yes correct police don't take cash at the road side

There's a 24 hour credit card line on the FPN. I called that and paid.
#39
shopstilldrops
Did you get proof of payment op ? Im presuming you paid cash also ?

As i said, I didn't pay the cop I called the 24 hour credit card line.
1 Like #40
soled73
shopstilldrops
Did you get proof of payment op ? Im presuming you paid cash also ?
As i said, I didn't pay the cop I called the 24 hour credit card line.

oops sorry , didnt see that !, so at least you have proof of payment , Good luck, hope you get it back , begrudge every penny of these type of fines !;)

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