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A New Kind of Politics! An old kind of Scandal!

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So a couple of weeks into this new government, and we see that our politicians are still up to the same old tricks. When we heard stories of MP's walking around Westminster talking about suicide, h… Read More
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7y, 4w agoPosted 7 years, 4 weeks ago
So a couple of weeks into this new government, and we see that our politicians are still up to the same old tricks.

When we heard stories of MP's walking around Westminster talking about suicide, how many were actually trying to figure out how to keep their still secret scams going?

This New Politics smells just the same as the old kind!
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7y, 4w agoPosted 7 years, 4 weeks ago
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#1
link here

It seems to me that as usual, while those in power preach austerity, they seem to use every opportunity to ensure they do nicely themselves.
#2
New Politics my rrrrssss, I don`t care if he is gay, defrauding the tax payer out of £40,000 is disgusting, same old same old, wondered how long lib dems would be seen as lying two faced fence sitters they really are
#3
fskinner
New Politics my rrrrssss, I don`t care if he is gay, defrauding the tax payer out of £40,000 is disgusting, same old same old, wondered how long lib dems would be seen as lying two faced fence sitters they really are


this ^^^. so much for the expenses scandel being over:roll:
#4
mps and the like can lie cheat steal and commit evan worse crimes sometimes still keep the overly well paid job and with no consequences
BUT DARE YOU AND YOU ARE OFF TO PRISON
THEY ARE ABOVE US AND THE LAW
#5
I have just read that myself and wondered if anyone else had seen it. Benefit cheat in a different league methinks.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/29/david-laws-treasury-expenses-claim
#6
What makes it even more disgusting is he is trying to say that he didn`t want anyone to know he is gay to justify renting a room for £950 since 2001, How many of us are "PRIVATE PEOPLE" but we don`t rent rooms from our partners/spouses to pocket £40,000, imagine saying to a benefit tribunal well i`m a private person so i didn`t tell you i live with my partner so please let me defraud you and the taxpayer.
#7
When a theif (which is what these politicians are) is caught with his hand in the till,would you say its ok I've told him off he won't do it again! he can keep his or her job! Why have none of these criminals not been prosecuted? because they as someone has already rightly said. THEY(unlike us) ARE ABOVE THE LAW! How can this be so, in this so called democracy we ask ourselves? As we are the electorate are their employers! There is no democracy in this country! If you scratch beneath the surface its perfectly clear to see! we have an unelected house of lords! full of disgusting selfish fat cats who have scrounged of us from day 1. Why are all these politicians form elite schools and family's who have run our country for generations. They will chuck in the odd black person or Asian person as they have too as to not look biast! It is time that these criminals felt the wroth of justice( I assume most would agree) Well it seems to me as they are above the law that the rest of us are governed by its time to take the law back into our hands! REVOLUTION. (oh no you think this guys a hard core socialist nut) actually your wrong I am a regular hard working responsible father and family man who is sick of these scumbags stealing from me and taking me for a ride! It's time for action.
#8
It beggars belief really. Regular people that are involved with any type of fraud cannot get any form of employment that might leave them in charge of cash or finances in any way.
But hey ho. Make a mistake about claiming an odd 40K (mistakenly of course), and you can work as Chief Secretary to the Treasury in charge of the whole country's finances.
Maybe I am overestimating its significance though.
#9
While I dont agree with his actions you have to laugh at how anti-Conserv the mirror article is.
#10
It make me laugh! All this rhetoric about benefit culture, scroungers etc! Which most aren't! as there is a recession going into depression on in Europe especially and there are no job's! How can a theif/politician have the audacity to put people who are struggling to survive down,for claiming what is in comparison to what they get(miniscule amounts) benefit cheats on much larger scale is exactly what these scumbags are!:x
#11
richie4874
It make me laugh! All this rhetoric about benefit culture, scroungers etc! Which most aren't! as there is a recession going into depression on in Europe especially and there are no job's! How can a theif/politician have the audacity to put people who are struggling to survive down,for claiming what is in comparison to what they get(miniscule amounts) benefit cheats on much larger scale is exactly what these scumbags are!:x


THIS^^^

I'd also like to know where all these wonderful jobs are going to magically appear from, you know the ones their going to find for the people they want to get off benefits/incapacity benefit, theres not enough to go round for the able bodied/minded
banned#12
ilovepink
THIS^^^

I'd also like to know where all these wonderful jobs are going to magically appear from, you know the ones their going to find for the people they want to get off benefits/incapacity benefit


not forgetting the ones that are also going to be losing their jobs, its the same old goverment hype we see year in, year out, but nothing ever changes
#13
sassie
not forgetting the ones that are also going to be losing their jobs, its the same old goverment hype we see year in, year out, but nothing ever changes


+1

It's so much easier to blame the ("poor") people on benefits thou:thumbsup:
#14
looks as though he has played the 'gay' card,so he will probably get away with this
banned#15
boothy
looks as though he has played the 'gay' card,so he will probably get away with this


glad to see the politicians still keeping a close eyes on the soaps :w00t:
#16
boothy
looks as though he has played the 'gay' card,so he will probably get away with this


sassie
glad to see the politicians still keeping a close eyes on the soaps :w00t:


:lol:
banned#17
He has to go. It will be outrageous if he doesnt lose his cabinet post. Just hope a member of the public makes a complaint to the police cos then they will have to investigate I believe.

Cant believe his excuse that he didnt classify his partner as a spouse cos they didnt socialise or share a bank account together.
#18
INb4 jonny :giggle:
#19
ilovepink
INb4 jonny :giggle:


I hope it was in after the jonny. Before is just playing with fire you never know what you might catch! :p
#20
£40,000 of tax payers money to keep his sex life secret
banned#21
cbryanp
While I dont agree with his actions you have to laugh at how anti-Conserv the mirror article is.


Shhhhhhh that kind of comment doesn't fit with the OP's agenda!
#22
WoolyM
It beggars belief really. Regular people that are involved with any type of fraud cannot get any form of employment that might leave them in charge of cash or finances in any way.
But hey ho. Make a mistake about claiming an odd 40K (mistakenly of course), and you can work as Chief Secretary to the Treasury in charge of the whole country's finances.
Maybe I am overestimating its significance though.



I have little respect for politicians as it is, but even I am amazed that David Laws sat through the expenses scandals of the past year and did nothing about his situation.


As far as I am concerned there is no "gay" card, this is just homophobic rubbish raising it's head on this site as usual. He is playing the "privacy" card as far as I am concerned.


If this really was about his privacy then he should be able to show how he gave every penny back to the government in some other way (for instance, under claiming on his expenses to match the money and keeping records). This would not make it right, but would at least have some shred of credibility.


After all us mere mortals cannot make this choice, whether in work or claiming from the government. It seems this is another privilege that those in power believe they deserve to keep for themselves.
banned#23
At the end of the day, he could have just not claimed anything and still kept things private. It is obvious he was out to defraud the taxpayer and had to go.

Now I just await the investigation followed by police charges.

I may be waiting some time................
#24
LOL

People vote Conservative and Lib Dems because they want "change".

Now people say "Oh Lol, new Government my ass ect "

Shut the **** up.
#25
I sympathise with David Laws to a degree. If his choice was to keep his private life private so be it.
BUT he should not have attempted to claim at the same time. Either be open and claim all necessary entitlements in the proper manner or not at all. I think he had to go, especially taking into account the position he was in.
I am sure there are lots of people in financial straights who may claim an odd benefit they may not be entitled to. If the law is unbending for them, it should be the same for all.
All that has occured here is that his weak point has been unearthed. Same as for others that are caught out.
#26
I agree with all of the above.
It made me snarl to see a clip, on the news, where Clegg in one of the debates was harping on about the 'expenses scandal' and saying that some MPs had still not come clean. Bet he didn't think his right hand man was one of them.
I have no respect for these people and no trust that they will do the right thing for the country.
banned#27
chesso
I agree with all of the above.
It made me snarl to see a clip, on the news, where Clegg in one of the debates was harping on about the 'expenses scandal' and saying that some MPs had still not come clean. Bet he didn't think his right hand man was one of them.
I have no respect for these people and no trust that they will do the right thing for the country.


Exactly - the guy may have been an expert in the city and finances in general, and some may say that in a time of financial uncertainty he is exactly the type of person we need in government, whereas Danny Alexander is just another PR empty suit....


But I say NO. He lied about expenses (something I would never do) he must go.

And if that damages our economy then I say good, because we put him in power and we must suffer.
#28
What does annoy me is that he was not poor. He had previously made good money in the city. He didnt have need to claim anything. He chose to claim in a dubious manner. THAT does cause his integrity to be questioned. Anyone else that is unearthed after all this time should be dealt with similarly.
Personally I feel that George Osborne should forego his salary as he has chosen to outsource his role to others. But thats for another thread.
#29
FilthAndFurry;8723816
Exactly - the guy may have been an expert in the city and finances in general, and some may say that in a time of financial uncertainty he is exactly the type of person we need in government, whereas Danny Alexander is just another PR empty suit....
But I say NO. He lied about expenses (something I would never do) he must go.

And if that damages our economy then I say good, because we put him in power and we must suffer.


The idea that we should be looking to the "experts" in the city to sort out this country is a joke. These are the same "experts" that brought the global economy to the brink of collapse.

I am afraid this argument very much sounds elitist. Somehow these city expert politicians are so important they should be above normal considerations of integrity and law!

And don't blame those that think David Laws has done wrong and should go for the next daft choice this ConDem government makes.
#30
If DWP catch a benefit cheat who has defrauded approx £2000 or more, they try to get a custodial sentence. It makes me laugh when these gits take a lot more than this but walk away without a criminal record.
banned#31
Plum;8724154
The idea that we should be looking to the "experts" in the city to sort out this country is a joke. These are the same "experts" that brought the global economy to the brink of collapse.

I am afraid this argument very much sounds elitist. Somehow these city expert politicians are so important they should be above normal considerations of integrity and law!

And don't blame those that think David Laws has done wrong and should go for the next daft choice this ConDem government makes.

LOL at you blaming a particular party for an individuals choice to rip off the taxpayer. Aren't there 3 labour MPS claiming legal aid at the moment for their blatant expenses fraud.

Please dont say we have to put up with 5 years of your loony leftist ostrich diatribes :whistling:
banned#32
Plum
The idea that we should be looking to the "experts" in the city to sort out this country is a joke. These are the same "experts" that brought the global economy to the brink of collapse.

I am afraid this argument very much sounds elitist. Somehow these city expert politicians are so important they should be above normal considerations of integrity and law!

And don't blame those that think David Laws has done wrong and should go for the next daft choice this ConDem government makes.


Actually I'm saying the opposite - I'm thinking he should be judged in the same way most people in private companies would be judged.

You've overclaimed on your expenses - first you pay it back. Then we work out whether you offer enough value to the company to keep you around and censure you in another way.

But that's beyond the public's grasp - they're more interested in political point scoring and having stupid anti-thatcher avatars on shopping websites:thumbsup:
banned#33
splatsplatsplat
If DWP catch a benefit cheat who has defrauded approx £2000 or more, they try to get a custodial sentence. It makes me laugh when these gits take a lot more than this but walk away without a criminal record.


What exactly did he do that was wrong, in your opinion?
[mod][Moderator]#34
The recent election was an ideal time to have a complete spring clean, any MP who had had to pay back anything should've been told that they couldn't stand for re-election, no matter what party/what posistion they held, and if any are found out now, they shouldn't just resign from cabinet, but from being an MP.
[mod][Moderator]#35
FilthAndFurry
What exactly did he do that was wrong, in your opinion?


Since 2006, Parliamentary rules have banned MPs from "leasing accommodation from a partner".
banned#36
wishihadadonkey
Since 2006, Parliamentary rules have banned MPs from "leasing accommodation from a partner".


So he could've moved out and still claimed the same, or he could've stayed - either way possibly outing himself.

He's now paid the money back, and he is one of the most experienced people in the government when it comes to finances. I felt more comfortable with him in that position then I do Danny Alexander.

I'm not excusing him of what he did, but I'm just looking at it in the context of us being in financial trouble and him being a financial expert....
[mod][Moderator]#37
FilthAndFurry
So he could've moved out and still claimed the same, or he could've stayed - either way possibly outing himself.

He's now paid the money back, and he is one of the most experienced people in the government when it comes to finances. I felt more comfortable with him in that position then I do Danny Alexander.

I'm not excusing him of what he did, but I'm just looking at it in the context of us being in financial trouble and him being a financial expert....


I can understand he wanted to keep his private life away from the press, but in reality that goes out of the window when you choose to be in the public eye in a high profile job, if he had gone down the root of buying a property with his partner and claiming 2nd home expenses on that, then that wouldn't have been a problem, and tbh who ( apart from bigots ) would actually be bothered whether he had a house with a man / woman, but he broke the rules, he may of stood some chance of retaining credability if he had repaid the money last year when the expenses row first broke, knowing that what he had done was against parliamentary rules, it is a shame, he was/is one of the better ones around, but he did choose to break the rules, he didn't have a choice other than to resign:thumbsup:
banned#38
wishihadadonkey
I can understand he wanted to keep his private life away from the press, but in reality that goes out of the window when you choose to be in the public eye in a high profile job, if he had gone down the root of buying a property with his partner and claiming 2nd home expenses on that, then that wouldn't have been a problem, and tbh who ( apart from bigots ) would actually be bothered whether he had a house with a man / woman, but he broke the rules, he may of stood some chance of retaining credability if he had repaid the money last year when the expenses row first broke, knowing that what he had done was against parliamentary rules, it is a shame, he was/is one of the better ones around, but he did choose to break the rules, he didn't have a choice other than to resign:thumbsup:


You're right - I just despair that we're losing a great financial mind (by all accounts) to a scandal we all thought had passed and in so doing outed a person in the worst way imaginable.
#39
its a sad state of affairs if you believe a dishonest person is the best person to be running the counbtrys finances

i wonder how easy it would be to put something aside for a rainy day when in power and with no chance of any criminal charges being brought no matter what you do wrong or how much you steal?
#40
He is a millionaire, he didn't need to claim anything at all, pure greed, as usual.:x

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