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If not, what do we as a nation do? A nuclear deterrent now seems like a necessity but if Trump follows through with his rhetoric on NATO, how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia? Read More
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If not, what do we as a nation do? A nuclear deterrent now seems like a necessity but if Trump follows through with his rhetoric on NATO, how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia?
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Remember a couple of months ago Putin had a go at the western media, telling them that if they didn't start reporting what was really happening and stop spinning the western propaganda, then we would soon see WW3? No, that's because the western media didn't run the story. Russia is not expansionist it is trying its best to defend itself.
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We're like the 51st state, I think we have more in common with the Americans than we do with Europe.

I think we'll have an even stronger relationship with the USA, more so after Brexit, I also expect we'll have a great trade relationship. Donald is another victory for democracy.!.

Edited By: shauneco on Nov 09, 2016 12:11

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No.
but don't worry we all our European friends........
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how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia?
We don't, that's one of the positives of trump being elected. What make you think Russia is expansionist?
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123thisisme
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how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia?
We don't, that's one of the positives of trump being elected. What make you think Russia is expansionist?

History, Putin, it's behaviour over the last 3 years. I get the reluctance to believe that but it think at some point we have to take our heads out of the sand.
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how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia?
We don't, that's one of the positives of trump being elected. What make you think Russia is expansionist?

History, Putin, it's behaviour over the last 3 years. I get the reluctance to believe that but it think at some point we have to take our heads out of the sand.


you do realise it is NATO that is encroaching Russian borders. What has trump said that would make question USA as an ally, nothing as far as I can see.
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Of course the US is a reliable ally - the US government and the US defense is manned by many more people that Trump, he said so in his speech.
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davewave
Of course the US is a reliable ally - the US government and the US defense is manned by many more people that Trump, he said so in his speech.

Yet he is the commander in chief so what you're hoping is that he takes advice, correct?
RabS1
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123thisisme
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how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia?
We don't, that's one of the positives of trump being elected. What make you think Russia is expansionist?
History, Putin, it's behaviour over the last 3 years. I get the reluctance to believe that but it think at some point we have to take our heads out of the sand.
you do realise it is NATO that is encroaching Russian borders. What has trump said that would make question USA as an ally, nothing as far as I can see.

You missed the stump speech where he called into question article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty?
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davewave
Of course the US is a reliable ally - the US government and the US defense is manned by many more people that Trump, he said so in his speech.
Yet he is the commander in chief so what you're hoping is that he takes advice, correct?
RabS1
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123thisisme
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how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia?
We don't, that's one of the positives of trump being elected. What make you think Russia is expansionist?
History, Putin, it's behaviour over the last 3 years. I get the reluctance to believe that but it think at some point we have to take our heads out of the sand.
you do realise it is NATO that is encroaching Russian borders. What has trump said that would make question USA as an ally, nothing as far as I can see.
You missed the stump speech where he called into question article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty?
what I believe is that he will take advice, given his naivety.
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davewave
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davewave
Of course the US is a reliable ally - the US government and the US defense is manned by many more people that Trump, he said so in his speech.
Yet he is the commander in chief so what you're hoping is that he takes advice, correct?
RabS1
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123thisisme
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how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia?
We don't, that's one of the positives of trump being elected. What make you think Russia is expansionist?
History, Putin, it's behaviour over the last 3 years. I get the reluctance to believe that but it think at some point we have to take our heads out of the sand.
you do realise it is NATO that is encroaching Russian borders. What has trump said that would make question USA as an ally, nothing as far as I can see.
You missed the stump speech where he called into question article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty?
what I believe is that he will take advice, given his naivety.

And I think that's not something you could deduce from his behaviour during the campaign or even in his 40 or so years in public life.

Everything he's said has echoes of isolationism about it and that doesn't bode well for a planet that needs a strong America. Ignoring the naive enamouring looks from some at Russia, it is a dangerous state run by a very dangerous and very happy man.
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Remember a couple of months ago Putin had a go at the western media, telling them that if they didn't start reporting what was really happening and stop spinning the western propaganda, then we would soon see WW3? No, that's because the western media didn't run the story. Russia is not expansionist it is trying its best to defend itself.
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Luckily Nigel has a special relationship with Donald who successfully influenced the outcome of a referendum AND and Election. So yes we will continue to have a powerful friend an ally.

More importantly are the money market men trustworthy if they don't do any work?
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this is the same guy that said he would use nukes in Europe if necessary. It would be best not to be allies we seen, what that has led to the war in Iraq and Afghanistan just following the us. and if I'm correct this guy will **** off everyone in the middle east, and China.
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123thisisme
Remember a couple of months ago Putin had a go at the western media, telling them that if they didn't start reporting what was really happening and stop spinning the western propaganda, then we would soon see WW3? No, that's because the western media didn't run the story. Russia is not expansionist it is trying its best to defend itself.

It's very odd to see people defending Russia in this manner, saying it's simply trying to defend itself.

A defence of this type of action is not something I thought I'd see in my lifetime, and this close to a day of remembrance. What have we become?
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123thisisme
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how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia?
We don't, that's one of the positives of trump being elected. What make you think Russia is expansionist?


Putin is bluffing everyone into thinking he is stronger than he is. It makes sense given the instability in the world.
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batezy_1984
123thisisme
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how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia?
We don't, that's one of the positives of trump being elected. What make you think Russia is expansionist?
Putin is bluffing everyone into thinking he is stronger than he is. It makes sense given the instability in the world.
The Turks proved that by taken 2 of the Russian planes down.
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We're like the 51st state, I think we have more in common with the Americans than we do with Europe.

I think we'll have an even stronger relationship with the USA, more so after Brexit, I also expect we'll have a great trade relationship. Donald is another victory for democracy.!.

Edited By: shauneco on Nov 09, 2016 12:11
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It's very odd to see people defending Russia in this manner, saying it's simply trying to defend itself.
So do you think our media don't lie to us? The point was don't believe what you are told by our media, its just as controlled as Russia's.
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..., and this close to a day of remembrance.
And what's that got to do with anything?
#19
Everyone talks as thou he has a big red button on his desk saying "nuclear warheads"
Forgive me if I am wrong as I do not know the answer, but at a pure guess I'm sure there are protocols in place and requires several people to make the decision to juke a country.
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drtongue
Everyone talks as thou he has a big red button on his desk saying "nuclear warheads"
Forgive me if I am wrong as I do not know the answer, but at a pure guess I'm sure there are protocols in place and requires several people to make the decision to juke a country.

It's too late, it's already happened :(

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123thisisme
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It's very odd to see people defending Russia in this manner, saying it's simply trying to defend itself.
So do you think our media don't lie to us? The point was don't believe what you are told by our media, its just as controlled as Russia's.
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..., and this close to a day of remembrance.
And what's that got to do with anything?

"Our media" isn't one homogenous lump but a marketplace of ideas. To say it's as controlled as Russia is uninformed nonsense or a lie.
drtongue
Everyone talks as thou he has a big red button on his desk saying "nuclear warheads"
Forgive me if I am wrong as I do not know the answer, but at a pure guess I'm sure there are protocols in place and requires several people to make the decision to juke a country.

You'd have thought so but no. The president and one other have to agree to the use of nuclear weapons but the president can actually fire that person if he doesn't agree.
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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
To say it's as controlled as Russia is uninformed nonsense or a lie
You really need to start looking at alternative information sources.
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123thisisme
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To say it's as controlled as Russia is uninformed nonsense or a lie
You really need to start looking at alternative information sources.

Like RT or breitbart or drudge or infowars?
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Like RT or breitbart or drudge or infowars?
To name but a few.
#25
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davewave
Of course the US is a reliable ally - the US government and the US defense is manned by many more people that Trump, he said so in his speech.

Yet he is the commander in chief so what you're hoping is that he takes advice, correct?
RabS1
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
123thisisme
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia?
We don't, that's one of the positives of trump being elected. What make you think Russia is expansionist?
History, Putin, it's behaviour over the last 3 years. I get the reluctance to believe that but it think at some point we have to take our heads out of the sand.
you do realise it is NATO that is encroaching Russian borders. What has trump said that would make question USA as an ally, nothing as far as I can see.

You missed the stump speech where he called into question article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty?



is that the speech where he questioned NATOs own commitment with their lack of spending, why should America be prepared to go to war when NATO countries won't even put in the money to defend their own borders.
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123thisisme
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Like RT or breitbart or drudge or infowars?
To name but a few.

Must've been a lucky guess. (_;)
#27
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123thisisme
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Like RT or breitbart or drudge or infowars?
To name but a few.
Must've been a lucky guess. (_;)
There are plenty more sites out there, but if you do visit any take what they say with a pinch of salt. Between the main media and alternative media you should be able to work out something near the truth.
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Having this at least helps just a little bit, rather than 0.
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and being on:-
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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

If not, what do we as a nation do? A nuclear deterrent now seems like a necessity but if Trump follows through with his rhetoric on NATO, how do we combat an increasingly expansionist Russia?
How many hundreds of miles have these following countries expanded to:-
1/ UK
2/ Russia
3/ France
4/ Switzerland
5/ USA
6/ China
7/ India
8/ Norway
9/ Italy
10/ Iraq
11/ Vietnam
12/ Korea
13/ Nederlands
14/ etc..
...
and what did we use to combat this expansion?
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They were never a reliable ally, they didn't give a stuff about ww2 until they were threatened, did they help in the Falklands? NO, who helped fund the IRA? and so on.

Dont confuse successive UK governments being lap dogs to the usa being allies.
#31
thewongwing101
No.
but don't worry we all our European friends........
I would have thought one EU state including Russia saves all the trouble.
.
Seriously, this was the European project post WW2 (which itself was post WW1).
.
When we enlarged EU, someone forgot to ask Russia to join in too.
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123thisisme
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
It's very odd to see people defending Russia in this manner, saying it's simply trying to defend itself.
So do you think our media don't lie to us? The point was don't believe what you are told by our media, its just as controlled as Russia's.
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
..., and this close to a day of remembrance.
And what's that got to do with anything?
"Our media" isn't one homogenous lump but a marketplace of ideas. To say it's as controlled as Russia is uninformed nonsense or a lie.
drtongue
Everyone talks as thou he has a big red button on his desk saying "nuclear warheads"
Forgive me if I am wrong as I do not know the answer, but at a pure guess I'm sure there are protocols in place and requires several people to make the decision to juke a country.
You'd have thought so but no. The president and one other have to agree to the use of nuclear weapons but the president can actually fire that person if he doesn't agree.


A market place dominated by 3 main players who exhult the same ideology isnt really a market place any more so then a high street filled with multiple starbucks.
#33
What will be interesting is how Putin will use Trump to gain normalcy of Ukraine annexation and lifting of sanctions.
#34
We shall always be less impressive even in the antics:-
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Any fights with us, Trump will win in any bout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NsrwH9I9vE


Edited By: splender on Nov 09, 2016 18:35: added video link
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RossD89
drtongue
Everyone talks as thou he has a big red button on his desk saying "nuclear warheads"
Forgive me if I am wrong as I do not know the answer, but at a pure guess I'm sure there are protocols in place and requires several people to make the decision to juke a country.

It's too late, it's already happened :(

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lol
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The US has a system, where the Exec. only has so much power. Everything still has to pass through Congress or the Senate who are also elected. Trump will be reliant on everyone around him and soon realise that he can't get his way.

I think those who voted for him will be let down when he doesn't do anything but make himself richer. It will be 4 years of Trump saying "I want", and the US saying "Can't have".

#1 rule in politics is to lie until elected, then lie some more. When you get out, deny anything ever happened and hope they put your face on a dollar bill.
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Error440
They were never a reliable ally, they didn't give a stuff about ww2 until they were threatened, did they help in the Falklands? NO, who helped fund the IRA? and so on.
Dont confuse successive UK governments being lap dogs to the usa being allies.
As an American, It never ceases to amaze me that WW2 still comes up in conversation.

Are you not aware that rightly or wrongly the US government had an isolationist policy? Do you know what this means? Were you around during WW2? How about the other wars, the Falklands and others? Was there a reason for the US to be involved? Did GB ask for direct involvement from the US? What would have happened with US relations with other countries if they did get involved? Did the rest of Europe help as well?

As for the IRA, the government never supported them, though from what I hear there were collection going around on the East Coast (A lot of Irish there) to fund them. How about the number of British who help ISIS? Similar situation I would assume.

Now the US is involved in everyone's business. Is this how you prefer it to be? Is the world better for it?

Glad to see you seem to have a handle on world events. Let me know when you run for Prime Minister so I can vote for you.



Edited By: Infinitesd on Nov 10, 2016 10:49
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Infinitesd
Error440
They were never a reliable ally, they didn't give a stuff about ww2 until they were threatened, did they help in the Falklands? NO, who helped fund the IRA? and so on.
Dont confuse successive UK governments being lap dogs to the usa being allies.
As an American, It never ceases to amaze me that WW2 still comes up in conversation.
Are you not aware that rightly or wrongly the US government had an isolationist policy? Do you know what this means? Were you around during WW2? How about the other wars, the Falklands and others? Was there a reason for the US to be involved? Did GB ask for direct involvement from the US? What would have happened with US relations with other countries if they did get involved? Did the rest of Europe help as well?
As for the IRA, the government never supported them, though from what I hear there were collection going around on the East Coast (A lot of Irish there) to fund them. How about the number of British who help ISIS? Similar situation I would assume.
Now the US is involved in everyone's business. Is this how you prefer it to be? Is the world better for it?
Glad to see you seem to have a handle on world events. Let me know when you run for Prime Minister so I can vote for you.

I've no massive problems with what you've said apart from the fact the US got involved in WW2 because the Japanese and Germans declared war on you. And that despite years of shipping sunk by u-boats so not really nothing to do with you.

And the other thing... is that it's only recently that the UK has repaid its debt to the US. Business is business.

That said, I'm pleased the UK does have its close relationship, despite burning down the white house! :p And long may that friendship continue.
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ICBMiss
Infinitesd
Error440
They were never a reliable ally, they didn't give a stuff about ww2 until they were threatened, did they help in the Falklands? NO, who helped fund the IRA? and so on.
Dont confuse successive UK governments being lap dogs to the usa being allies.
As an American, It never ceases to amaze me that WW2 still comes up in conversation.
Are you not aware that rightly or wrongly the US government had an isolationist policy? Do you know what this means? Were you around during WW2? How about the other wars, the Falklands and others? Was there a reason for the US to be involved? Did GB ask for direct involvement from the US? What would have happened with US relations with other countries if they did get involved? Did the rest of Europe help as well?
As for the IRA, the government never supported them, though from what I hear there were collection going around on the East Coast (A lot of Irish there) to fund them. How about the number of British who help ISIS? Similar situation I would assume.
Now the US is involved in everyone's business. Is this how you prefer it to be? Is the world better for it?
Glad to see you seem to have a handle on world events. Let me know when you run for Prime Minister so I can vote for you.
I've no massive problems with what you've said apart from the fact the US got involved in WW2 because the Japanese and Germans declared war on you. And that despite years of shipping sunk by u-boats so not really nothing to do with you.
And the other thing... is that it's only recently that the UK has repaid its debt to the US. Business is business.
That said, I'm pleased the UK does have its close relationship, despite burning down the white house! :p And long may that friendship continue.
It looks a lot better since the fire. Gave us a chance to redecorate!

Who knows what it'll look like with a gold interior once Trump gets in.
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Infinitesd
ICBMiss
Infinitesd
Error440
They were never a reliable ally, they didn't give a stuff about ww2 until they were threatened, did they help in the Falklands? NO, who helped fund the IRA? and so on.
Dont confuse successive UK governments being lap dogs to the usa being allies.
As an American, It never ceases to amaze me that WW2 still comes up in conversation.
Are you not aware that rightly or wrongly the US government had an isolationist policy? Do you know what this means? Were you around during WW2? How about the other wars, the Falklands and others? Was there a reason for the US to be involved? Did GB ask for direct involvement from the US? What would have happened with US relations with other countries if they did get involved? Did the rest of Europe help as well?
As for the IRA, the government never supported them, though from what I hear there were collection going around on the East Coast (A lot of Irish there) to fund them. How about the number of British who help ISIS? Similar situation I would assume.
Now the US is involved in everyone's business. Is this how you prefer it to be? Is the world better for it?
Glad to see you seem to have a handle on world events. Let me know when you run for Prime Minister so I can vote for you.
I've no massive problems with what you've said apart from the fact the US got involved in WW2 because the Japanese and Germans declared war on you. And that despite years of shipping sunk by u-boats so not really nothing to do with you.
And the other thing... is that it's only recently that the UK has repaid its debt to the US. Business is business.
That said, I'm pleased the UK does have its close relationship, despite burning down the white house! :p And long may that friendship continue.
It looks a lot better since the fire. Gave us a chance to redecorate!
Who knows what it'll look like with a gold interior once Trump gets in.

Haha. If only you were kidding! :p

I've spoken with a couple of American friends since. One wanted Clinton and thought she is "classy", one fearful of Trump and Pence so voted Hilary as the lesser evil, and another who wouldn't say apart from Hilary cannot be trusted, so assume he voted Trump (he wouldn't say)

One thing is sure. The US and UK have had a rather big shake up.

Edited By: ICBMiss on Nov 10, 2016 11:51

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