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JonnyTwoToes Avatar
banned5y, 5m agoPosted 5 years, 5 months ago
or be Malcolm Lowe-Lauri.

What a prat.
I think this type of story supports my idea that management in public sectors are play school children compared to their private company counterparts.

Mr Lowe-Lauri is faced with some cuts on his hands so he has a tuff job like most CEOs around the globe.

Mr Lowe-Lauri has targets to meet and should be spending hours in the office trying to balance the books to make these targets a reality like most CEOs around the globe.

Mr Lowe-Lauri spends his time emailing management (who then email staff who then email the media) to say his answer to the cuts is to not pay staff in August and September.............. unlike any responsible CEO who takes his/her job seriously.

What Mr Lowe-Lauri has done is in effect be an A1 prat who shouldn't be CEO of Leicester University Hospitals. He shouldn't be CEO anywhere. He should, in all reality, be laughed out of his position and he may (I use the word 'may') get a job in my private company as an constant reminder to everyone else how not to conduct themselves in business.... and how not to be responsible.... and how to not have a back bone..... and how to......
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banned5y, 5m agoPosted 5 years, 5 months ago
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banned#1
#2
Didn't one of the big car manufacturers do something similar last year?
1 Like #3
You'd think that no one in the private sector had made similar mistakes the way you're babbling on.
#4
Shengis
Didn't one of the big car manufacturers do something similar last year?


...And football clubs when they are hit with a financial crisis.
banned#5
moob
You'd think that no one in the private sector had made similar mistakes the way you're babbling on.


Links?
#6
JonnyTwoToes
moob
You'd think that no one in the private sector had made similar mistakes the way you're babbling on.


Links?


I'm not about to trawl the internet to prove my point, suffice to say you know it's happened.
banned#7
moob
JonnyTwoToes
moob
You'd think that no one in the private sector had made similar mistakes the way you're babbling on.


Links?


I'm not about to trawl the internet to prove my point, suffice to say you know it's happened.


I CEO of a private company has sent an email to managers stating they can't pay their staff which has been leaked to the media and he has remained in his post as there is (yet again) no responsibility in public services?

Oh, OK then. :|
#8
I'm guessing he will have to take responsibility for his actions, and rightly so, or are you trying to say there's no accountability for people's actions in the public sector. If that is the case, you have an incredibly skewed view of reality.
banned#9
moob
I'm guessing he will have to take responsibility for his actions, and rightly so, or are you trying to say there's no accountability for people's actions in the public sector. If that is the case, you have an incredibly skewed view of reality.


Yeah, that's my point.
banned#10
JonnyTwoToes
moob
I'm guessing he will have to take responsibility for his actions, and rightly so, or are you trying to say there's no accountability for people's actions in the public sector. If that is the case, you have an incredibly skewed view of reality.


Yeah, that's my point.


The answer - hire 1000 Accountability Attribution Managers on £55K p/a to attribute accountability.

Of course they have no hiring or firing powers. That would mean hiring 1500 Accountability Action Managers to make suggestions on who should be fired.
#11
Thought so. You seem to have a beef with public sector workers, and think they get an easy ride.

A rather draconian view.
banned#12
moob
Thought so. You seem to have a beef with public sector workers, and think they get an easy ride.

A rather draconian view.


If public sector workers were competent, why are they in the public sector?

In fact, that's unfair. I've worked for public sector organisations and the upfront pay is better whilst they expect far less of you. I really shouldn't bite the hand that overfeeds me.

Edited By: FilthAndFurry on Jun 19, 2011 11:26
banned#13
moob
Thought so. You seem to have a beef with public sector workers, and think they get an easy ride.

A rather draconian view.


No, my OH is a front line public sector worker - most of them work very hard and I feel very sorry for them that have to work under such poor management.

It's the accountability and incompetence of higher management/CEOs that I have a problem with.




Edited By: JonnyTwoToes on Jun 19, 2011 11:32
1 Like #14
yawn
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banned#15
FilthAndFurry
moob
Thought so. You seem to have a beef with public sector workers, and think they get an easy ride.

A rather draconian view.


If public sector workers were competent, why are they in the public sector?

In fact, that's unfair. I've worked for public sector organisations and the upfront pay is better whilst they expect far less of you. I really shouldn't bite the hand that overfeeds me.


Trying to get my OH to seek private employment but she has a faith in the NHS. Whether right or wrong, I have to admire that.
#16
moob
Thought so. You seem to have a beef with public sector workers, and think they get an easy ride.

A rather draconian view.



FilthAndFurry
If public sector workers were competent, why are they in the public sector?


I guess because they need a job?

FilthAndFurry
In fact, that's unfair. I've worked for public sector organisations and the upfront pay is better whilst they expect far less of you. I really shouldn't bite the hand that overfeeds me.


I've yet to see a person employed in the public sector whose wage is higher than their private sector equivalent. My post included
banned 1 Like #17
JonnyTwoToes
moob
Thought so. You seem to have a beef with public sector workers, and think they get an easy ride.

A rather draconian view.


No, my OH is a front line public sector worker - most of them work very hard and I feel very sorry form most of them that have to work under such poor management.

It's the accountability and incompetence of higher management/CEOs that I have a problem with.


I did some temp work for a PCT in between leaving school and going to uni. Just some basic admin work, but the standards of the other workers was just appalling. Not so much lazy as just unmotivated.

Compare that to even my experiences of working in a call centre for a company and the work ethic was completely different.
banned#18
FilthAndFurry
JonnyTwoToes
moob
Thought so. You seem to have a beef with public sector workers, and think they get an easy ride.

A rather draconian view.


No, my OH is a front line public sector worker - most of them work very hard and I feel very sorry form most of them that have to work under such poor management.

It's the accountability and incompetence of higher management/CEOs that I have a problem with.


I did some temp work for a PCT in between leaving school and going to uni. Just some basic admin work, but the standards of the other workers was just appalling. Not so much lazy as just unmotivated.

Compare that to even my experiences of working in a call centre for a company and the work ethic was completely different.


Have to agree with that.
banned#19
moob


I've yet to see a person employed in the public sector whose wage is higher than their private sector equivalent. My post included


In my own experience, the amount of work expected for the same wage was far less. There's less pressure, no sense of getting in trouble for being late.

Like I said, I shouldn't complain because they're also pretty relaxed when it comes to office supplies. The prices they pay for pads and pens is absurd, but it's accepted that you can just milk it.
banned#20
FilthAndFurry
moob


I've yet to see a person employed in the public sector whose wage is higher than their private sector equivalent. My post included


In my own experience, the amount of work expected for the same wage was far less. There's less pressure, no sense of getting in trouble for being late.

Like I said, I shouldn't complain because they're also pretty relaxed when it comes to office supplies. The prices they pay for pads and pens is absurd, but it's accepted that you can just milk it.


We did a promotion for a particular PCT a couple of years back that included outdoor banners. I designed the banner and noticed they wanted the date of the event on. I questioned it and asked f there were more events for the same cause. I was old there was. So I designed it without the date as they could reuse the banners. I was then told to include the date as they had to make sure 'they spent their budgets". So instead of one banner costing £100 or so, we did far more of them, all with the same design, but with a date change on each.

Ridiculous.
#21
Private companies go out of business every day due to managerial incompetence.
#22
FilthAndFurry
moob


I've yet to see a person employed in the public sector whose wage is higher than their private sector equivalent. My post included


In my own experience, the amount of work expected for the same wage was far less. There's less pressure, no sense of getting in trouble for being late.

Like I said, I shouldn't complain because they're also pretty relaxed when it comes to office supplies. The prices they pay for pads and pens is absurd, but it's accepted that you can just milk it.


Do you work for Wernham Hogg? I have always found the pace of work in the Office Supplies industry as quite stationery. Bum bum
banned 1 Like #23
roryk83
Private companies go out of business every day due to managerial incompetence.


With the obvious exception of the companies who were bailed out.

But that's the way it should be. You fail, you die. Someone else takes your place, does a better job, gets bigger until someone else does it better.
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FilthAndFurry
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But that's the way it should be. You fail, you die. Someone else takes your place, does a better job, gets bigger until someone else does it better.


Quite a naive point of view
banned 1 Like #25
Boring attack on socialism masquerading as debate gets boring.
banned#26
roryk83
FilthAndFurry
[
But that's the way it should be. You fail, you die. Someone else takes your place, does a better job, gets bigger until someone else does it better.


Quite a naive point of view


You mean a three line response wasn't the establishing of a new economic theory?
banned#27
master_chief
Boring attack on socialism masquerading as debate gets boring.


No-one is attacking socialism. In fact I think you'll find that almost everyone agrees with the idea of a welfare state.

What we're pointing out is that the system has become bloated.

Do you stop loving your wife if she puts on a few pounds? No. You point out her flaws until she goes to the gym or develops an eating disorder.

Edited By: FilthAndFurry on Jun 19, 2011 12:07
#28
FilthAndFurry
roryk83
FilthAndFurry
[
But that's the way it should be. You fail, you die. Someone else takes your place, does a better job, gets bigger until someone else does it better.


Quite a naive point of view


You mean a three line response wasn't the establishing of a new economic theory?


I didn't expect one tbh but the response you did provide is quite a short sighted uninformed naive point of view
banned#29
FilthAndFurry
No one is attacking socialism.


Better get your stories straight with JTT then...
banned#30
roryk83
FilthAndFurry
roryk83
FilthAndFurry
[
But that's the way it should be. You fail, you die. Someone else takes your place, does a better job, gets bigger until someone else does it better.


Quite a naive point of view


You mean a three line response wasn't the establishing of a new economic theory?


I didn't expect one tbh but the response you did provide is quite a short sighted uninformed naive point of view


Is it now? Again, I'm not going to go through all the exceptions (I did highlight one of the more prominent ones) but the underlying theory exists in practice.

Companies who fail to adapt to economic conditions or changing consumer needs are punished. Happened in the automotive industry, the IT sector, fashion etc.

If you'd like to point out my naivety in more detail then go ahead. But you won't.
banned#31
master_chief
FilthAndFurry
No one is attacking socialism.


Better get your stories straight with JTT then...


Try reading what was written.
banned#32
FilthAndFurry
master_chief
FilthAndFurry
No one is attacking socialism.


Better get your stories straight with JTT then...


Try reading what was written.


I base that on 18months of reading his posts yes right hmmm...
banned#33
master_chief
FilthAndFurry
master_chief
FilthAndFurry
No one is attacking socialism.


Better get your stories straight with JTT then...


Try reading what was written.


I base that on 18months of reading his posts yes right hmmm...


Again, I doubt he has attacked 'socialism'. But that term isn't one thing. It means different things to different people. If you really think that the bloated welfare state we have right now is what was conceived of by the people who first built it then I think you'd be sorely mistaken.

The whole pensions thing makes me laugh to be honest. It was established when life expectancy was much lower but clearly hasn't adjusted. To use common parlance, it is a 'time bomb'.

Quite honestly, I doubt neither you nor I will actually receive one, so start saving.
#34
FilthAndFurry
roryk83
FilthAndFurry
roryk83
FilthAndFurry
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But that's the way it should be. You fail, you die. Someone else takes your place, does a better job, gets bigger until someone else does it better.


Quite a naive point of view


You mean a three line response wasn't the establishing of a new economic theory?


I didn't expect one tbh but the response you did provide is quite a short sighted uninformed naive point of view


Is it now? Again, I'm not going to go through all the exceptions (I did highlight one of the more prominent ones) but the underlying theory exists in practice.

Companies who fail to adapt to economic conditions or changing consumer needs are punished. Happened in the automotive industry, the IT sector, fashion etc.

If you'd like to point out my naivety in more detail then go ahead. But you won't.


Because my time is too precious to me to try and explain anything relatively complex to someone who isn't going to take on board what you have to say but would rather shout the loudest on an internet forum.
banned#35
roryk83
FilthAndFurry
roryk83
FilthAndFurry
roryk83
FilthAndFurry
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But that's the way it should be. You fail, you die. Someone else takes your place, does a better job, gets bigger until someone else does it better.


Quite a naive point of view


You mean a three line response wasn't the establishing of a new economic theory?


I didn't expect one tbh but the response you did provide is quite a short sighted uninformed naive point of view


Is it now? Again, I'm not going to go through all the exceptions (I did highlight one of the more prominent ones) but the underlying theory exists in practice.

Companies who fail to adapt to economic conditions or changing consumer needs are punished. Happened in the automotive industry, the IT sector, fashion etc.

If you'd like to point out my naivety in more detail then go ahead. But you won't.


Because my time is too precious to me to try and explain anything relatively complex to someone who isn't going to take on board what you have to say but would rather shout the loudest on an internet forum.


Sorry, is my shouting drowning out your saying absolutely nothing at all?

Apologies.
banned 2 Likes #36
Rory's got a point Filth. You are a great asset to the board and I like your comments but there is no point in getting drawn into a drawn out debate with you. Your shtick is to be a contrarian, to oppose the common consensus, to provoke debate etc. It's great for misc but there's so little personality coming through and little to no evidence of concessions or progression of thought through debate. It seems your point of view is set before you enter a topic and you're not interested in hearing views, just winning points.

Like I said, I'm a fan of your style but you'll never see me going toe to toe with you for pages and pages for the above reasons.
#37
FilthAndFurry
moob


I've yet to see a person employed in the public sector whose wage is higher than their private sector equivalent. My post included


In my own experience, the amount of work expected for the same wage was far less. There's less pressure, no sense of getting in trouble for being late.

Like I said, I shouldn't complain because they're also pretty relaxed when it comes to office supplies. The prices they pay for pads and pens is absurd, but it's accepted that you can just milk it.


Yeah, in your experience - which I'm fairly sure is limited.

I have over 20 years of experience in this sector (NHS and LG), and I can tell you there's far more pressure that there's ever been. It's not quite as cosy as you're making out.

I note with interest you've dodged the point regarding salary.
banned#38
master_chief
Rory's got a point Filth. You are a great asset to the board and I like your comments but there is no point in getting drawn into a drawn out debate with you. Your shtick is to be a contrarian, to oppose the common consensus, to provoke debate etc. It's great for misc but there's so little personality coming through and little to no evidence of concessions or progression of thought through debate. It seems your point of view is set before you enter a topic and you're not interested in hearing views, just winning points.

Like I said, I'm a fan of your style but you'll never see me going toe to toe with you for pages and pages for the above reasons.


Time to get your man boobs out F&F.

Edited By: JonnyTwoToes on Jun 19, 2011 18:26
#39
Have you PM'd your boyfriend yet to ask him why he's walked away from the topic despite his strenuous allegations?
banned#40
moob
Have you PM'd your boyfriend yet to ask him why he's walked away from the topic despite his strenuous allegations?


About wages? Admin positions seem to be a lot cushier and better paid. My experience of that is within colleges and PCTs.

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