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Hi everyone. It seems there are a lot of nice people in this forum, which is why I am asking advice. Me and my husband came to UK 5 years ago on his work permit in IT. Both of us had well paying jobs … Read More
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9y, 10m agoPosted 9 years, 10 months ago
Hi everyone.
It seems there are a lot of nice people in this forum, which is why I am asking advice. Me and my husband came to UK 5 years ago on his work permit in IT. Both of us had well paying jobs in IT in India. After we came here I couldn't find any good IT Job. Taught IT for a college for a short while(temp), taught IT in a training center for 2 years and now in the same company where my husband works. He is in a permanent job whereas I am on a contract. Not much future for me in this company. So I decided to do something else than IT. I heard that Pharmacist can get jobs easily in any part of UK. I applied for M.Pharm(4 year) in a university and have got a place. Course starts next month. Can anybody tell me whether it is sensible doing this. Is there a good chance of securing IT programming job around Lancashire or whether this change to Pharmacy be worth it?:?

Thanks in advance.

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9y, 10m agoPosted 9 years, 10 months ago
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[admin]#1
I'm not too sure, there'll be lots of IT positions in the Manchester region, the thing is that a few years ago, there were a lot of IT graduates and not enough jobs to go round.... there are a lot of pharmaceutical companies in the UK but a couple of the biggest.. GSK for example, have been downsizing their workforce.
You probably already know deep down whether you're making the right decision or not, we can't tell you what choices to make :)

Good luck with whatever you decide :friends:
#2
Thanks juliet_bravo. The thing is I still feel very new to the country inspite being here 5 years. Moreover we don't have much contacts who we can ask or talk to. We meet a few people in the church, but only 'hello.. :) c u' . So I don't know what is out there and what is not.

Anyway thanks once again for your response.
[admin]#3
Depending on where you live, it'd be worth going through a list of IT companies in the Manchester area. Get your CV out with as many companies as possible.
Have a look on fish4jobs, or the jobcentre direct website and see what's out there in IT and pharmaceuticals. Register your CV online aswell- I don't work in IT so I'm probably not giving the best advice- a few of the guys who post on here in the day time work in the IT sector so could offer you more useful advice :giggle:

You'll make friends once you get a permenent job, it's hard to become "One of the team" when you're only working temporary contracts.
[mod]#4
There are a couple of big pharmaceutical companies where i live and i often see ads in the local rag on job night advertising. Not much use however as i live at the opposite end of the country to Manchester. :roll:
#5
Thanks for your response juliet_bravo and Syzable.
juliet_bravo: I did the fish4jobs, jobcenter etc search very religiously as soon as i came. After a couple of years I gave hope totally. At that time my hindrances were I didn't have much experience and I wasn't driving. Thanks once again.
#6
If you do decide to take on pharmacy, Bradford university offer a 5 year course that incorporates 2 six month periods of work training. If you are worried about career prospects afterwards i would assume graduates from this course have better prospects due to their extra training although i am not sure and it would be best to further investigate but it is an option.

Also bradford is quite close to manchester so it could be a good choice should you choose to go into pharmacy

I know a few pharmacists and if need answers to specific questions i can ask them if you wish, just post here or pm me
#7
Thank you nipperkipper. I have a few specific questions. i will pm you after I have figured out how to?
#8
The course is 4 years of your life. If your heart is not in it, it will be a very long 4 years......
If you are interested in pharmacology do the course and worry about a job at the end of it.
#9
Whats your status in UK av_raje ?

Without a PR or EU passport, the tuition fees can be extraordinary (I'm sure you know this)!
#10
If your really stuk go to as many job agencies as possible. Seeing as you have alot of expereince in the IT industry it shouldnt be too hard fidning a job once you give your cv to as many job agencies in your area.
#11
edi
Whats your status in UK av_raje ?

Without a PR or EU passport, the tuition fees can be extraordinary (I'm sure you know this)!



Thanks edi. We have got PR.
#12
gari189
The course is 4 years of your life. If your heart is not in it, it will be a very long 4 years......
If you are interested in pharmacology do the course and worry about a job at the end of it.



To be very honest, I am not interested in any further education at all. I have 1 B.Sc degree and 2 M.Sc degrees. After M.Sc Physics,, suddenly there came an IT Boom in India and I thought Ok I'll do a computer course. When I did my Master in Computers (3 year full time course in a reputed uni) I thought this is it, no more. But when we came here, I found that IT isn't booming , atleast around where we live. Having spent 5 years without a flaming career this M.Pharm thing is kind of like a last resort to me. My life is like chasing the end of the sky. :-(
#13
You should apply to work in IT with finance. I work in IT for an investment bank, and most of the development staff we employ are from the likes of Cognizant in India..

Research on what banks / insurance companies are close to you. You don't necessarily have to apply for a programming job, you could apply as a business analyst, systems analyst, quality assurer, UAT analyst, project manager etc etc (the list goes on).

I have worked with many consultants from India here in the UK who arrived on the 'skilled migrants programme'. They have now done their time, and have moved on to higher and better things in London working for the banks in the City and earning a fortune.

For IT nowadays, I'd say stick with the application of it in finance.. look for a role with the grade of 'analyst' or 'associate/officer'. Take a look at doctorjob.co.uk (for graduates) for a list of finance houses, but in the local press for finance houses based near you. FYI Bristol is a big insurance hub, and London of course a big finance hub.

All the best.
#14
manzi
If your really stuk go to as many job agencies as possible. Seeing as you have alot of expereince in the IT industry it shouldnt be too hard fidning a job once you give your cv to as many job agencies in your area.


I did manzi. IT specialist agencies are only very few around here I think. I have registered. They do ring me and ask quite a few questions. But because IT having new specialist things coming up they find out that I don't have a specific skill, like for e.g ASP.NET etc. When I try like ' I am keen learner, I can learn anything in a flash' and all that.. they say they will get back but don't. Even when I have all the job spec in my CV it doesn't proceed after the telephone screening. I don't know. I am driving for only for 8 months now.
#15
Look for junior roles at analyst level. I graduated in 2005 with a MEng (B + M) and went straight into a junior business analyst role (developing requirements for new systems, system enhancements etc). If you've only recently graduated, there's nothing stopping you applying to banks on their Technology/IT graduate schemes? Else look for junior roles. Pharmacy is a good choice, however banking will pay a lot more in the long term.
#16
polak
If you've only recently graduated, there's nothing stopping you applying to banks on their Technology/IT graduate schemes? Else look for junior roles. Pharmacy is a good choice, however banking will pay a lot more in the long term.


Thanks polak.

I am 31;-) I graduated in 2002. I am more than ok to take junior roles if anyone gives one. I have applied several times for entry level jobs in programming. If I start afresh to apply for junior roles in banking will they consider me:? I will try my luck again and see :)
#17
The fact that you already have a place on the pharmacy course is a bonus. IMExperience in he area I work, they are always looking for locum pharmacists. The job is well paid and very interesting. You can always do the course unless something else comes along. There are many pharmacy &IT related issues once you qualify - in ever changing NHS. Good luck - go for it
#18
thank you iglimpse.
#19
iglimpse
The fact that you already have a place on the pharmacy course is a bonus. IMExperience in he area I work, they are always looking for locum pharmacists. The job is well paid and very interesting. You can always do the course unless something else comes along. There are many pharmacy &IT related issues once you qualify - in ever changing NHS. Good luck - go for it


I'd just like to echo the above.
From my fleeting experience with pharmacies and retail outlets a few years ago there was always a demand for locums and they always commanded a very good fee.
Seemed like an excellent position to have as they also seemd to be able to dictate their own working times and conditions.
Might be worth your while to seek out the professionals in this field. A quick Google took me to the following page:
http://www.ndpharmacy.co.uk/?page_id=7&refer=g&gclid=CIzDz439_o0CFQMfEgod1l_KOg

£27 to £30 per hour for locums seems a reasonable wage to me :thumbsup:
Scroll down for other wage rates for Pharmacists.

Best of luck :)
#20
Thank you hottoshop for your effort and response. Seems alright isn't it?
#21
sorry if this seems cold but working in a pharmacy is akin to watching paint dry, i worked for 4 years and i think i nearly died! the best place is a very busy city centre pharmacy, or one next to a large health centre, or even better a hospital pharmacist. TBH its a very boring job some times, theres only so many times you put medicines into alphabetical order!
#22
oh! thanks Franco. can u not browse the internet if there is no work? working in IT, i am used to used internet when i am free.
#23
av_raje
oh! thanks Franco. can u not browse the internet if there is no work? working in IT, i am used to used internet when i am free.

yeah, but don't get caught with your pants down
#24
I did work experience last year with AAH Pharmecuticals (sorry for spelling error), there HQ is in Walsgrave, Coventry. Good atmosphere, friendly people and your always on your toes occupied. They have a Linux/Unix network, and all their stuff is managed by Oracle databasing. Its joint with Lloyds or Unichem as well there. :)
#25
hi jamesterror. are you pharmacist too? thanks.
#26
I can't believe that you are going in for another FOUR-year course after a basic degree and two higher degrees (Masters). What is the overall intention behind this decision? Is it to get a job (any job), more money or just to alleviate boredom or frustration in your present role?
Your husband is earning - I presume that is sufficient for your family's needs. If it is, don't appear to be too desperate - take your time and decide wisely. If it isn't, then can you really afford to take 4 years out of work - whatever work that may be? Think hard about this. Also, if you both want to work in IT, perhaps you should both move closer to London or the M4 corridor, where opportunities within IT will be more abundant.
Also, going back to India - if that's an option for both of you, will probably surprise you. Wages are going up by 15-20% a year as more and more MNCs compete for the best talent and salary packages are rising to unbelievable levels i.e. 20-25lakhs per annum for middle managers.
I've met a few people through my wife who have come here from the Indian consultancies (Satyam, TCS, Infosys) and they are working here in London on UK projects but they get paid their Indian salary and they also get housing allowance, subsistence and other expenses paid for by their companies also - best of both worlds perhaps? I got this for myself when I went to Bangalore on a project last year i.e. paid my UK salary and all my expenses re-imbursed while I was in India.

Getting back to the UK IT side of things....recruitment agencies (despite some unscrupulous practices and individuals) and direct applications would seem the way to go. If you're looking for lucrative roles and career progression, apply direct to all the major IT Consultancies e.g. Accenture, IBM, CapGemini, PA Consulting. Try other IT companies e.g. Microsoft, Adobe, SAP, Oracle, etc. They're all looking for competent, qualified workers time to time.
Finally, make sure you upload your CV to all the IT jobsites: CWJobs, PlanetRecruit, ComputingCareers, ITJobBoard, Monster, etc. This way it does the jobsearch for you - Agencies and Employers will look at these websites for people with the skills and experience they need and they will contact you directly.

I wish you luck with your career whatever choice you decide to make but make it for the right reasons.....
#27
av_raje
hi jamesterror. are you pharmacist too? thanks.


No I'm a student, I did a 2 week work placement there working 8am - 6pm. Good career path to go down from my view.
#28
Thanks AJ2007. The overall idea is to earn money. As you suggested my husband's income is enough for our existing lifestyle. But I would like my girls to go to private schools;-) If I can earn just enough to fund that I am happy.

We understand that London has more IT oppurtunities. But we don't know how we can move. My husband is emotionally attached to this company. But I can move...I did try that by applying London jobs posted on CWJOBS website. The agents do call and as soon as they realise that I have home in Lancashire it doesn't proceed any further.

India is an option, my favourite option too. My ex-classmates are earning sooooooooo much. Again the husband factor. He is ok if I took the girls and went to India and after I settle down he can consider moving after a few years. I am scared to manage a job and the girls on my own. In India the working hours are very long. When I worked over there, the typical time I could reach home is 9 - 10 p.m. Even if I left the girls with my parents they will never be able to see my face during the week.:-(

Because I am not brave enough to move far and wide and because it doesn't click also :oops: ...I need a job with reasonable salary around where we live. I can't see many companies around here.. I have tried the jobcenter, agencies, job websites religiously atleast for two full years, in full concentration. I didn't work for me. Then I came to the conclusion that there aren't enough jobs out there.

There is another IT Indian guy here who is in same position as me settling for data entry jobs. Another person with huge experience waited atleast 3 years with no job, now he has got one though at a distance. Another CTS person tried long and hard and now has left to London with his girls whereas the doctor wife lives alone.

Since I see pharmacies in many places and heard that pharmacists are paid well, I thought I will give it a try. But honestly I hate going back to education.

The first child will start in a private school next month..We are going to stretch ourselves for these four years, hoping that we can manage easily later if I did complete and if I did get jobs. If before I start the course some IT company gave me a new lease of career in IT, that would be so great:thumbsup: But after trying so much...I am not so sure whether that will happen. So I want to be sure atleast after a strenous 4 year I will be able to access jobs where I live. If that doesn't work too... the kids go to state schools and I will turn into a housewife. :-(
#29
oh! thanks jamesterror.:thumbsup:
#30
What would you say is a reasonable income?

Why send your child to a private school, when there are schools out there (such as mine), which beat records set by private schools?

Plus, in my opinion, you should stay nearer home with your family, you'll be on the otherside of the world and could regret your choice on job change.
#31
Yes jamesterror, that is why i am thinking of changing to Pharmacy so that i can stay with the family. Private school: I would like to send the girls to a girls school than co-ed ;-) to be honest the girls schooling will cost me about £15000 p.a (after tax money), if I could make it I would be quite content.

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