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Advice dealing with possible idiot who bought my old car on ebay

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Afternoon crew, bit of a long post coming up about my current experience with an ebay buyer. So I recently sold my dads car on ebay as he's no longer in any condition health-wise to drive. I put i…
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
Afternoon crew, bit of a long post coming up about my current experience with an ebay buyer.

So I recently sold my dads car on ebay as he's no longer in any condition health-wise to drive. I put it on ebay to sell as I've done with my partner's car previously.

The auction ended a month ago, in October. During the 10 days the car was listed I had a bit of interest, test drives, etc. All people who had viewed it put bids on as they were happy with the car they came to see and placed bids.

Finally at the end of the auction someone put in another high bid and won the car. I contacted them and they said they were out of the country and would be back in a week. I told them that they were bidding to buy, and asked if he was happy to do so as he hadnt viewed the car prior to bidding. He said he understood my concern but assured me he was serious about the car.

After he got back in the country he contacted me saying he was making arrangements to travel over and pick the car up. I then heard nothing for over a week despite various emails, I was sure I'd have to relist due to timewasting. Then out of nowhere he contacts me saying he's sorry, he was having trouble 'finding the funds' and would sort things out ASAP. I told him he had until the end of the week to pay and collect the car, and my dad wanted the car gone.

He then turned up at 8am on the day he was supposed to show up in the afternoon at my parents place. The car needed jumping as it hadnt been started in a little while, so my elderly neighbour sorted that out luckily (I was planning on doing it late morning). My dad again described everything he knew about the car, asked him if he'd like to test drive it around town, take closer looks, even have a cup of coffee, etc. The guy declined all of this and said he was happy to take the car 'as is', handed over the cash and drove off.

Now, 1-2days later I get an email from him on ebay under the 'item not as described' heading. He said that on the way home he was hearing some knocking so took it to a garage when he returned. Apparently the garage said the car needs new front discs, quoting him 253pounds.

Now, I'm willing to put some cash towards this as a good will gesture. Me nor my dad are mechanics and know little about what's going on about a car underneath its exterior, so we obviously listed everything we DID know wrong with the car, along with its mileage (105,000+) and so on in great detail. I even included a new satnav + FM transmitter with the car which the guy appeared very happy with when he collected. He then said on the email that it wasn't 'brand new' as described. As i had mentioned in the auction, I had opened it to update the software and speedcam databases for whoever bought it, and to charge it for their journey home.
I know I'm probably not obliged to contribute money towards this bill as I'm not a dealership and sold the car with no warranty. As its MOT is up in 2 months and with the massive mileage its covered you'd think this would suggest to the buyer it wouldn't be as perfect as the day it was bought.

I was as honest as I could possibly be with the auction and was more than patient with the buyer for almost a month. Keeping the car for longer cost me insurance money and obviously decreased its value just sitting there.

If you were in this position what would you do to solve any problems? I don't want to pay any money to this simpleton but I don't want to cause any problems for my dad as he's quite ill and doesn't need stress from the likes of this guy with the car which makes me think I should help with costs, say 100pounds.

tl:dr - someone bidded on my car, kept me hanging for a month, finally collected the car and paid after being '100% happy', now wants me to contribute towards repairs.

Thanks for reading!
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
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#1
I would use the phone and call ebay explaing everything you've mentioned here, stating you believe the guy is after something for nothing, and that you want nothing more to do with him.
#2
Tell him where to stick it, he had every opportunity and took the car, sold as seen. Can't possibly expect you to pay up. Did you complete the log book paperwork passing ownership over to him? Not your problem anymore. Probably taking you for a ride...
#3
I would tell them to get lost....the car has a valid MOT as advertised, you offered test drives both before the sale (as others took you up on) and after the sale but before payment (your dad asked them). They had plenty of oppertunities to 'test' the car and they chose not to. You dont seem to have any proof this work actually needs doing? Buyer could be after a bit of cashback!

I would tell them to get lost personally...you seem to have done everything reasonably possible to make sure he was happy with the car BEFORE he paid for it.
#4
Give him absolutely nothing, just ignore him
#5
If the item was sold 'as is' then surely it is up to him to pay, and if it did not match the description then he should have returned it!
#6
tell him to get stuffed sold as seen.
#7
Penny Saver
Tell him where to stick it, he had every opportunity and took the car, sold as seen. Can't possibly expect you to pay up. Did you complete the log book paperwork passing ownership over to him? Not your problem anymore. Probably taking you for a ride...


Yes mate, V5 was filled in and my mother sent it off recorded after the car left. 'Not my problem' is exactly what I'm thinking.

I wrote almost an essay on the auction page about the car, obviously I didn't mention the discs needing replacing as I had no idea that they did. He could have looked himself if he knew about cars, or even paid the AA/RAC/whatever to come along with him to inspect, right?

I was obviously not looking to get rid of a 'dodgy car' to someone who didn't know better, my dad's owned the car almost since new and is only selling it due to being very ill.

I would use the phone and call ebay explaing everything you've mentioned here, stating you believe the guy is after something for nothing, and that you want nothing more to do with him.

Thanks - As he paid cash I don't think he'll be able to do anything via ebay anyway though?
banned#8
lil_tiger;6976939
I would tell them to get lost....the car has a valid MOT as advertised, you offered test drives both before the sale (as others took you up on) and after the sale but before payment (your dad asked them). They had plenty of oppertunities to 'test' the car and they chose not to. You dont seem to have any proof this work actually needs doing? Buyer could be after a bit of cashback!

I would tell them to get lost personally...you seem to have done everything reasonably possible to make sure he was happy with the car BEFORE he paid for it.

exactly. He messed you around big time and I'm at a loss as to why you would consider giving him any form of refund.

just tell him to do one
#9
He can't do anything via ebay, save for leaving bad feedback, which doesn't mean much anymore. I'd be concerned, as he knows where you live, having been round for the car, if he turns up all threatening, just call the police, and explain all. Sold as seen. He'll probably get done for driving it home with no insurance.
#10
like said a couple of posts up - if you completed the V5 forms and sent off your peice to the DVLA then it's no problem of yours. if you buy a car at some second hand car garage they ain't gonnagive you a refund a couple of weeks later if the brakes need changing. all that should be sorted out before you part money

done deal... report him to ebay!
whats the worst he can do leave you bad feedback?
#11
He can't do anything.
The only thing that would bother me is if he hassles your dad.

If he lives a fair distance, tell him to "do one".

Failing that, i'm sure you know some people that know some people.
#12
Buying second hand cars is buyer beware, you cannot be expected to be responsible for him not having the car inspected, I would email him back and say sorry but you listed the car sold as seen and that he had the opportunity to inspect the car.
#13
sold as seen, his problem!
#14
As with others...it was sold as seen and he had ample opportunity to test it before he handed over the money,give him nothing!

Also £253 for front discs seems a bit heavy too,I recently had both rears done,discs and pads for less than half that amount!
#15
I would go halfs on the repairs if he can provide a reciept as proof BUT seen as he messed you around and examined/tested the car before handing the cash over its SOLD AS SEEN. Also the discs sound like they went after he had done abit of mileage on it. Therefore why would you help him repair it when the problem occured during his ownership?
#16
lil_tiger
I would tell them to get lost....the car has a valid MOT as advertised, you offered test drives both before the sale (as others took you up on) and after the sale but before payment (your dad asked them). They had plenty of oppertunities to 'test' the car and they chose not to. You dont seem to have any proof this work actually needs doing? Buyer could be after a bit of cashback!

I would tell them to get lost personally...you seem to have done everything reasonably possible to make sure he was happy with the car BEFORE he paid for it.


Absolutely. Good post, I have to say this has stressed me out a bit simply for the reason that I don't want my dad having to deal with anything to do with this car. You've reassured me I've done everything right!

The car sold for 700quid, too. It had some marks, rattling, etc. all of which I mentioned. Jesus, I even gave the guy PAINT so he could touch up any spots on the car that were scratched if he wants to.

Yep, all others who tested the car were happy and bidded. I wish I'd sold it to them now, but I wanted to 'do the right thing' and sell it to the person who rightfully won the auction.

The car is 12 years old, has a 1litre engine and has covered almost 110,000 miles. Full service history (always been looked after at local dealer except for last year it was done privately) - no car like this could be perfect.

I bought a T reg car back in May for myself second hand on ebay. I knew I was taking a risk, and despite it having 12 months MOT it still needed work doing, my friendly mechanic said the seller probably got a mate to MOT it. I just cut my losses, paid for the repairs and now have a fantastic little car, just costing a bit more than I originally expected. Knew I'd not get a penny out of the seller.
#17
muckypup
As with others...it was sold as seen and he had ample opportunity to test it before he handed over the money,give him nothing!

Also £253 for front discs seems a bit heavy too,I recently had both rears done,discs and pads for less than half that amount!


Indeed.
#18
Second hand car, private sale = buyer beware. Unless you knowingly sold the car in a dangerous condition he's got no comeback. Go on the Motors Discussion Board on Ebay - they'll tell you the same.

WTF does he expect for £700? If he wanted new he should have gone to a dealer.
#19
arcangel111
like said a couple of posts up - if you completed the V5 forms and sent off your peice to the DVLA then it's no problem of yours. if you buy a car at some second hand car garage they ain't gonnagive you a refund a couple of weeks later if the brakes need changing. all that should be sorted out before you part money

done deal... report him to ebay!
whats the worst he can do leave you bad feedback?


Yep, I couldn't care less if he negs me on ebay. 100% up until now, but I can live with a little mark on my profile! The only concern I have is if he contacted my dad directly. He only has my email/phone number but collected the car from their address. My parents are both under a lot of stress right now, I can't really go into it but there are a lot of serious health issues and anything like this could push them over the edge. 50-100 seems reasonable to keep them happy, but I feel I shouldn't have to.

I feel like a mug for attempting to be honest and patient. Last time I sell a car on ebay that doesn't disappear within 5 days of the auction ending.
#20
Evil_monkey
Second hand car, private sale = buyer beware. Unless you knowingly sold the car in a dangerous condition he's got no comeback. Go on the Motors Discussion Board on Ebay - they'll tell you the same.

Thanks for this info, I'll check it out.

WTF does he expect for £700? If he wanted new he should have gone to a dealer.


LOL, yeah as someone who has only ever bought second hand cars (bar this one of my dads) I know what risks there are at low prices. I got my partner a M reg 106 for the summer for 350quid with 130,000 miles - bought on the assumption she could use it for maybe a year at best and that it could develop problems at any time.
#21
Some people are just never happy,be firm but polite and tell him that you described the car as honestly as you could have so unfortunately it's not your problem.
#22
kyalion
I would use the phone and call ebay explaing everything you've mentioned here, stating you believe the guy is after something for nothing, and that you want nothing more to do with him.


Agree with this comment
#23
Penny Saver
Indeed.


my partner is a mechanic and he charges £50 to fit discs to either front on back plus the cost of the discs which let me tell you are not that expensive he did my dads on a 54plate focus and it worked out at just under £100 fitted so he is having you on there mate.
#24
greyparrot
my partner is a mechanic and he charges £50 to fit discs to either front on back plus the cost of the discs which let me tell you are not that expensive he did my dads on a 54plate focus and it worked out at just under £100 fitted so he is having you on there mate.


And Quik Fit, Formula 1, ATS etc would charge about £300 for the same job. Such is life.

@ the op, tell him to go do one.
#25
Example:

Zafira 2005 front discs and pads at MAIN DEALER £219.08 fitted.

what did you sell him for £700 a ferrari??????

its maximum 3 bolts each side to change discs and pads lol.
banned#26
greyparrot
my partner is a mechanic and he charges £50 to fit discs to either front on back plus the cost of the discs which let me tell you are not that expensive he did my dads on a 54plate focus and it worked out at just under £100 fitted so he is having you on there mate.


Agreed, don't know what car it was but as a 1l doubt it was a bmw or merc, and therefore the disks and pads shouldn't cost half that.

Regardless.....tell him to do one, his problem, should have checked it properly before he bought it.
Also, if the car had been standing a while its quite possible the disks have rust on them that will just burn off over time, which could be the problem.
#27
colinsunderland
Agreed, don't know what car it was but as a 1l doubt it was a bmw or merc, and therefore the disks and pads shouldn't cost half that.

Regardless.....tell him to do one, his problem, should have checked it properly before he bought it.
Also, if the car had been standing a while its quite possible the disks have rust on them that will just burn off over time, which could be the problem.


Car was an old mk1 Wagon R. About as far from a merc as one can get ;-)

Yes in the month+ the car was waiting to go it was only ever moved as far as round the corner as only my dad was insured to drive it and on most days he couldn't. The guy knew my dad wasn't really in any condition to screw about with it. It was hardly my problem that it was sitting there for so long, I even stated in the auction the reason for selling it was because it couldn't be driven by the owner anymore.

It obviously cost me in insurance letting it stand there for a month while he f'kd about too - 4pounds to insure with the RAC and cancel before 14 days, 14 with the AA and 28 with Swift Cover. Best part of 50quid inconvenience just for that.
#28
J4GG4
its maximum 3 bolts each side to change discs and pads lol.


Whats that? 1 bolt to hold the wheel on and 2 for the calliper :lol:
#29
he's trying it on mate just ignore hime.

also new disks and pads about £50 max for them plus fitting (about £50) no way would they cost £200+
#30
Shengis
Whats that? 1 bolt to hold the wheel on and 2 for the calliper :lol:


Yep you got it in 1.

1 bolt holding disc on (normally about 22m)
and normally 2 bolts or star/allen key bolts holding the caliper on.
30 minute job
£80 for discs and pads MAX
#31
Could I ask what the significance of calling ebay would be in this case? As he wouldn't be able to do a chargeback as he paid in cash, what would be the benefit in notifying them?

Looking through this guys feedback, I see he has in the past been selling what looks like freely available information on how to unlock phones, basically selling 'ebooks' to profit from the 'unlocking scene'. So this is the sort of person I'm dealing with, eh?

he's trying it on mate just ignore hime.

also new disks and pads about £50 max for them plus fitting (about £50) no way would they cost £200+


After reading this thread it's tempting to just put him on the blocklist and ignore any further replies. I think I'm going to respond back to him though, telling him that I'm under no obligation to give him money and I sold the car 'as seen', described as best a private seller could possibly describe an old used car.

...then await the negative feedback, which will certainly not keep me up at night.

Looking through my car records, I recently paid a mechanic something between 70-120 for a set of discs and pads on my Swift, not sure of the exact amount as it was in with a sum for some other work but certainly nowhere near 253. I remember having the discs+pads changed on the car I sold at the end of 2007 (I think), if not later, perhaps even the end of 2008 (that info went with the car).


EDIT: Another funny twist to the story - He apparently told my dad when he came to collect the car that he had just bought a Micra that he 'didn't like' so he was selling that next week. Takes all sorts.
#32
Just say your sorry it had developed a fault after you had bought it. But it was sold as seen therefore i am in the right to not issue any sort of part refund towards any repairs. Also say it costs £53 not £253 to get discs and pads for this model car and tell him whoeever quoted 253 is ripping you off. (even tho he made it up to get £253 out of you!!)
#33
J4GG4
Yep you got it in 1.

1 bolt holding disc on (normally about 22m)
and normally 2 bolts or star/allen key bolts holding the caliper on.
30 minute job
£80 for discs and pads MAX


I would have thought 4 bolts for the wheels, 2 allens for the calliper and 2 bolts for the calliper backplate and maybe a totally rusted and ******ed retaining screw on the disk that serves no real purpose but to **** off the person changing the disks :lol:

I reckon you're closer with the £80 though as they're not 'common' parts like say on a fiesta or corsa etc. Tried to get a price on Euro website but it was having none of it......
#34
just hope he doesnt know this.

Section 191



191. Sale of vehicle in or alteration of vehicle to condition contravening this Act.

Whoever being an importer of or dealer in motor vehicles, sells or delivers or offers to sell or deliver a motor vehicle or trailer in such condition that the use thereof in a public place would be in contravention of Chapter VII or any rule made thereunder or alters the motor vehicle or trailer so as to render its condition such that its use in a public place would be in contravention of Chapter VII or any rule made thereunder shall be punishable with fine which may extend to five hundred times said value:

Provided that no person shall be convicted under this section if he proves that he had reasonable cause to believe that the vehicle would not be used in a public place until it had been put into a condition in which it might lawfully be so used.



Motor Vehicles Act 1988 II
#35
deeunit
just hope he doesnt know this.

Section 191



191. Sale of vehicle in or alteration of vehicle to condition contravening this Act.

Whoever being an importer of or dealer in motor vehicles, sells or delivers or offers to sell or deliver a motor vehicle or trailer in such condition that the use thereof in a public place would be in contravention of Chapter VII or any rule made thereunder or alters the motor vehicle or trailer so as to render its condition such that its use in a public place would be in contravention of Chapter VII or any rule made thereunder shall be punishable with fine which may extend to five hundred times said value:

Provided that no person shall be convicted under this section if he proves that he had reasonable cause to believe that the vehicle would not be used in a public place until it had been put into a condition in which it might lawfully be so used.



Motor Vehicles Act 1988 II


Why? The seller isn't an importer or dealer.
#36
Shengis
I would have thought 4 bolts for the wheels, 2 allens for the calliper and 2 bolts for the calliper backplate and maybe a totally rusted and ******ed retaining screw on the disk that serves no real purpose but to **** off the person changing the disks :lol:

I reckon you're closer with the £80 though as they're not 'common' parts like say on a fiesta or corsa etc. Tried to get a price on Euro website but it was having none of it......


LOL the joy of the stuck in place, solid, rounded off retaining screw tat can only be drilled out (on old cars) :whistling:
#37
Shengis
Why? The seller isn't an importer or dealer.


dealer...although private.
please dont be smart. i was only helping out.
#38
deeunit
dealer...although private.
please dont be smart. i was only helping out.


he is a right smart a55 aint he??
#39
deeunit
dealer...although private.
please dont be smart. i was only helping out.


Smart has nothing to do with it. I can't be bothered to look it up but if your reference refers to the sale of an unroadworthy vehicle then its not applicable in this case:thumbsup:
#40
Shengis
Smart has nothing to do with it. I can't be bothered to look it up but if your reference refers to the sale of an unroadworthy vehicle then its not applicable in this case:thumbsup:


Ohhhh hes saying your wrong hes right again..
are you gona take that Deeunit??? i wouldnt.:-D

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