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Advice: Manager earning less than transferred Employee ??

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6y, 6m agoPosted 6 years, 6 months ago
In a couple of months time an existing employee from another part of the business will join my team of 8 people. Due to the fact that they are closing the other department the 'new' team member and myself dont have a choice.

The problem I now have, after finally received all the transfer details from HR is that:-

1) the person is on a higher salary
2) they are the same grade, but have never managed
3) they have agreed reduced working hours as part of the transfer.

To say I feel a bit pee'd off is an understatement.
Can my company honestly expect me to manage someone earning more than me??
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6y, 6m agoPosted 6 years, 6 months ago
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#1
If you are a professional then u should be able to deal with that in a professional manner
[mod]#2
Why were they getting more money in the other role?
#3
How long have you both been with the company?

His pay could be scaled higher due to length of service.
#5
I manage people who get paid more than me. A management role can be completely different to the jobs of the staff they manage. i.e. Specialists in a field, etc
#6
Some of the senior engineers at BT earn more than managers, can't understand what the problem is.
#7
bossyboots
If you are a professional then u should be able to deal with that in a professional manner


:whistling:
[mod]#8
I also think your thread title is misleading. If he is transferred he is hardly "new".
#9
Are you scared he might expose you as a ....lazy.....donkey?
#10
quite a few variables involved in what managers get paid, you dont mention enough background on both your roles now and previously or length of time served, age etc
#11
LazyDonkey
:whistling:


So your not a professional then?
#12
magicjay1986
Why were they getting more money in the other role?


Bad management.

DragonChris
How long have you both been with the company?

His pay could be scaled higher due to length of service.


Myself 6 years........the other person 10 years.
I would agree about length of service, but if this person actually applied for a job I wouldn't even give them an interview. If you know what I mean.......might sound unprofessional, but just trying to be honest.

bazzaric
I manage people who get paid more than me. A management role can be completely different to the jobs of the staff they manage. i.e. Specialists in a field, etc
This person is no specialist..........maybe at being off sick.

Paddy_o_furniture
Some of the senior engineers at BT earn more than managers, can't understand what the problem is.


This person has nothing to offer, otherwise I wouldn't have an issue. To be honest I feel sorry for the other members of my team.
#13
bossyboots
So your not a professional then?


it appears that way, reading the replies:)

confirmed
#14
magicjay1986
I also think your thread title is misleading. If he is transferred he is hardly "new".


Amended - but in the structure of our company, they are new due to a kind of merger that has taken place.

bossyboots
So your not a professional then?


Obviously not - just would have been nice for you to share your own wisdom.
#15
In life you come up against situations like this. I've had similar problems before, and still have. There's several examples I could use but I won't bore you. I just look at my career path, then the career path of those who earn more than me, but are lower down the chain of command. Invariably, they have little room for progression. Sometimes it's easier for companies just to pay bad employees a bit more to shut them up.
#16
If neither of you have a choice about the situation you really just have to accept it. If the changes hadn't occurred he would still be earning more money than you. i am in exactly the same position and you just have to rise above it and get on with your job as best you can.
banned#17
As they're soon to come under your rule then get them out as soon as possible if you think they aren't worthy of a job let alone the high pay. Just make sure you don't make these feelings public in the meantime.
#18
nickw90
In life you come up against situations like this. I've had similar problems before, and still have. There's several examples I could use but I won't bore you. I just look at my career path, then the career path of those who earn more than me, but are lower down the chain of command. Invariably, they have little room for progression. Sometimes it's easier for companies just to pay bad employees a bit more to shut them up.


Jason_Mraz
If neither of you have a choice about the situation you really just have to accept it. If the changes hadn't occurred he would still be earning more money than you. i am in exactly the same position and you just have to rise above it and get on with your job as best you can.


Cheers to you both...........BUT would you raise the question as to why........or just accept it?

Maybe my original post was a little rushed as I was trying not to put too many 'exact' details down. Obviously no one would be happy, but do you keep quiet and soak it up (being professional :)) OR discuss the situation with senior management? That was all I was really asking.............
#19
LazyDonkey
Cheers to you both...........BUT would you raise the question as to why........or just accept it?

Maybe my original post was a little rushed as I was trying not to put too many 'exact' details down. Obviously no one would be happy, but do you keep quiet and soak it up (being professional :)) OR discuss the situation with senior management? That was all I was really asking.............


I have discussed it with senior managers before, but I either get told to mind my own business, or that it's easier this way. It used to really make my blood boil, but after a while I stopped caring really. Maybe that's because I know I have less than a year left there.
#20
What do you like to see happen?
Should you get a rise or the other guy get a pay cut?
#21
Makes sense for employees lower in the food chain to earn more sometimes... for example, an office manager managing an office of engineers. Who has the more skilled profession? In this case i would say the engineers. (I may be a bit biased ;) )

Is this the situation here?
#22
Take it to another level a football manager wouldnt always earn as much as a star player.

In this example it seems like the chap has been paid more for doing a different role, at the same grading as you - the grading is not directly linked to the pay therefore its understandable that he is on more money.

The bit that I would find strange is if he is at the same level, with four years extra service why they have merged his department into yours and not the other way around? It's obviously been done for a reason, maybe they have confidence in you or its needed to be that way for corporate reasons?

To be fair, I wouldnt worry about the salary - it's not directly fair but business is like that, its good that the company has kept them and not gone with redundancy (maybe they take care of their employees?). I'd try not to have any preconceptions of his skill set and go in with a fresh set of eyes, if he is no good - performance managment
#23
yipykayay
What do you like to see happen?
Should you get a rise or the other guy get a pay cut?


I've been told for ages that my grade and salary will increase, but nothing despite numerous unpaid hours and pressure that I am absorbing from other inept managers. Then I get an additional member of staff that I dont want (not skilled enough) who is earning more than me and the skilled members of my team. OK......Im not happy, but Im extremely disappointed for my team who I have fought tooth and nail to get higher salaries for, but which have always been rejected.

Serj
Makes sense for employees lower in the food chain to earn more sometimes... for example, an office manager managing an office of engineers. Who has the more skilled profession? In this case i would say the engineers. (I may be a bit biased ;) )

Is this the situation here?
NO

crow99
Take it to another level a football manager wouldnt always earn as much as a star player.

In this example it seems like the chap has been paid more for doing a different role, at the same grading as you - the grading is not directly linked to the pay therefore its understandable that he is on more money.

The bit that I would find strange is if he is at the same level, with four years extra service why they have merged his department into yours and not the other way around? It's obviously been done for a reason, maybe they have confidence in you or its needed to be that way for corporate reasons?

To be fair, I wouldnt worry about the salary - it's not directly fair but business is like that, its good that the company has kept them and not gone with redundancy (maybe they take care of their employees?). I'd try not to have any preconceptions of his skill set and go in with a fresh set of eyes, if he is no good - performance managment


Cheers for the advice.
#24
LazyDonkey
I've been told for ages that my grade and salary will increase, but nothing despite numerous unpaid hours and pressure that I am absorbing from other inept managers. Then I get an additional member of staff that I dont want (not skilled enough) who is earning more than me and the skilled members of my team. OK......Im not happy, but Im extremely disappointed for my team who I have fought tooth and nail to get higher salaries for, but which have always been rejected.


Although it doesnt feel like it now, this is great for your team - here's why:

Worst Case - Guy is incompetent and you have to performance managment him out, you then use his salary to 'promote' existing members of your team and higher a junior level at a appropriate level - also leverage your position as a same grading, lower paid higher potential employee.

Best Case - Guy is a star who has a bad reputation, you gain a experienced senior manager to work with, develop and learn skills off this is a addition to your team without losing any existing headcount and your managment exposure, budgets etc... grows.
#25
OP - this "new" member of your team salary has got nothing to do with you. If your a professional manger im sure you will be able to manage the situation.

Sometimes this just happens in large companies, for all you know he may of been working at a higher grade in the past and took a sideways or down move (keeping his salary) to achieve his personal goals within his career or to enhance his skill set.

If you feel your salary needs amending, contact your HR department to get your role re-assessed, and as for been promised to in the past of promotions etc.... ensure you get it in writing.

Sorry to sound harsh.... but thats the rules of the game"!


also... you may not be happy with this guy joining your team..... but at least he has a job within the company if his old department got broke up.
#26
Just reminded me...Gotta take out my The Office DVD's to watch at the weekend! Great program, Ricky Gervais cracks me up!
#27
LazyDonkey
I've been told for ages that my grade and salary will increase, but nothing despite numerous unpaid hours and pressure that I am absorbing from other inept managers. Then I get an additional member of staff that I dont want (not skilled enough) who is earning more than me and the skilled members of my team. OK......Im not happy, but Im extremely disappointed for my team who I have fought tooth and nail to get higher salaries for, but which have always been rejected.


Perhaps upper management see you as weak, easy to ignore when requesting increases in salary. Not valuable enough to retain even if you were to leave as a result...

Isn't meant to come across harsh, may be an answer to your question.
#28
I've had similar situations in the past. The way I look at it, if he's not performing a more "skilled" job, is from a responsibility perspective. If this person messes up, do you ultimately carry the can? If yes, more responsibility/pressure on you, therefore you deserve a higher salary to reflect this. If not, then maybe you just have to suck it up and get on with (and maybe look for a new job - from some of your posts your employer sounds pretty crap tbh).

If I were you, if you're not happy speak to your immeidate manager in the first instance to discuss it. They may agree with you, but they'll at least put you in the right direction, hopefully.
#29
tbh it's be one of two things

- A clear reason why you haven't been given a higher salary
- A clear reason why he has been given a larger salary

Could even just be down to him being better at office politics than you, means he's been able to position himself into a better salary.

These things happen
#30
ei8hty5ive
Just reminded me...Gotta take out my The Office DVD's to watch at the weekend! Great program, Ricky Gervais cracks me up!


I wish I'd done that first before starting this thread. :-D

spritey
Perhaps upper management see you as weak, easy to ignore when requesting increases in salary. Not valuable enough to retain even if you were to leave as a result...

Isn't meant to come across harsh, may be an answer to your question.


Unless they are completely two faced that isn't the case. Who knows these days though.

civms47
I've had similar situations in the past. The way I look at it, if he's not performing a more "skilled" job, is from a responsibility perspective. If this person messes up, do you ultimately carry the can? If yes, more responsibility/pressure on you, therefore you deserve a higher salary to reflect this. If not, then maybe you just have to suck it up and get on with (and maybe look for a new job - from some of your posts your employer sounds pretty crap tbh).

If I were you, if you're not happy speak to your immeidate manager in the first instance to discuss it. They may agree with you, but they'll at least put you in the right direction, hopefully.


Cheers for the advice - I wouldn't mind so much if my manager had informed me, but I actually had to find out for myself when I made an enquiry about the persons previous performance reviews and their ambitions.
I did actually contact HR and my line manager today asking for their guidance in dealing with this matter. I was also just interested to see what other HUKD members thought !!
#31
If the person comes in, and shows you the respect that you earn as a manager to them, then unfortunately, theres nothing you can really do.

I remember when I worked at Pizza Hut waitering, and I was earning about £5.50 per hour. A support manager earns about £6.50 an hour. But, i was making maybe around £10 extra an hour from tips and such. I still showed the support manager respect and did what I was told.

If you still feel strongly about it, bring it up with your manager.
#32
spritey
tbh it's be one of two things

- A clear reason why you haven't been given a higher salary
- A clear reason why he has been given a larger salary

Could even just be down to him being better at office politics than you, means he's been able to position himself into a better salary.

These things happen


I wish it was that simple. Basically I've inherited an overpaid member of staff from a failed company we have taken over. Part of the deal was that their staff would keep their salaries, but I was never privvy to any of this information and it was dropped on me today.
If the person was a top worker with skills that can be shared amoungst the team I wouldn't mind if they were paid twice what I was getting as it would make my role easier. BUT they have a very poor employment record and a bad attitude (even worse than mine ;-))

Anyway......thanks for everyone's help and comments.........even the negative ones. Much appreciated.
1 Like #33
LazyDonkey
I wish it was that simple. Basically I've inherited an overpaid member of staff from a failed company we have taken over. Part of the deal was that their staff would keep their salaries, but I was never privvy to any of this information and it was dropped on me today.
If the person was a top worker with skills that can be shared amoungst the team I wouldn't mind if they were paid twice what I was getting as it would make my role easier. BUT they have a very poor employment record and a bad attitude (even worse than mine ;-))

Anyway......thanks for everyone's help and comments.........even the negative ones. Much appreciated.


Oh right - didn't realize it was an entirely different company taken over.. Not Just a shut down department within the same company..

Don't let it get to ya tbh - pay structure being different in the other company, you'll struggle to justify an increase beyond him.

Just sit back.
#34
TUPE - Transfer of Undertakings and Protection of Employment Regs

Live with it!
banned#35
I get paid far more than my boss. Some things in life don't come cheap but are worth every last penny!
#36
longster
TUPE - Transfer of Undertakings and Protection of Employment Regs

Live with it!


This is very likely the case. If it applies, his salary can't be reduced for any reason other than a reason entailing a change in the workforce taken as a whole. Thus, a significant number of employee's wages would have to be reduced in order for his to be reduced as well.
banned#37
Maybe if you did your job correctly and managed the staff as per what your getting paid to do instead of wasting time worrying about how much others are earning then you may be on the same salary.

The guy has been there 4 years longer than you so obviously he can't be a complete tool. If your that worried that he is on more money become better at your job so you can command a higher salary
#38
lol, I earn more than my manager, its not the way of the world to earn more because you're the manager, you are employed to manage people. I'm the technical advanced specialist, I'm the one qualified and employed to give the technical advice and solutions, my manager isn't and can't, he does performance reviews, A/L, and appraisals etc, he can't even begin to understand what I do, get over it.

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