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Advice on sale/scam on the forum plz

SpecMan Avatar
9y, 1m agoPosted 9 years, 1 month ago
Hi peeps, obviously I'm new and don't fully understand the etiquette on these forums so I was wondering how long you should wait before crying "scammer" when engaging in a transaction.

Referring to this transaction http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103529

I agreed to send the item first to 'siliconbits' who was then going to send me £70 for the item. I felt this was going to be fairly safe because he/she had a reasonable reputation and had been on the forum for a year, plus they would have to give me there address to send the computer to.

Anyway I sent the item on Tuesday and tracked it online and sure enough it was delivered and signed for yesterday at 11:30am. I have tried contacting this person by email and by PM on here, despite seeing them online a couple of times they have obviously chosen not to respond back to me.

Having been something of a scam hunter for the last 5 years I know how important it is to act quickly or else the trail goes cold, I know this person has only had the item for 24 hours but the fact that they have chosen to ignore me in that time sends me a warning, however should I be giving 'siliconbits' the benefit of the doubt here and for how long should I leave it before turning up at the place the computer was delivered to with a few mates and baseball bats :santa: (only an hour away from me).

Thanks for any advice ;-)
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9y, 1m agoPosted 9 years, 1 month ago
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#1
Hmmm I would give him the benefit of the doubt just now but, I can't understand why he hasn't answered his pm's/emails... :?

Was he quick to email/pm when you were exchanging address etc?

How did he say he would pay you?

You were a very trusting person to send the item first. I hope silicon bits doesn't abuse that & pays you!
#2
Hi, very prompt communication pre delivery/sale but now nothing. (Classic scammer behaviour)

He has just come online a few minutes ago and I have PM'd him again but still nothing.

He said he would pay via bank transfer which was my choice.

My rationale for sending first was purely based on:

-'siliconbits' had been here a long time and had good rep

-The computer I agreed to sell was just cluttering the place up and wouldn't have been that bothered if it got hit by lightening and blew up.

-I would be getting the persons physical address so I could hunt them down if necessary :thumbsup:


So all in all didn't have much to lose, but I will chase to the death. Yeah I'll go with what you say and give it a while longer before shouting "scam!"


Thanks
#3
Having had a look at the thread,siliconbits does say that 'as per agreement,he will pay after having received the computer'.

Is this to check that everything is in working order?

Maybe this is the case and the money will be coming your way soon.
#4
SpecMan
Hi, very prompt communication pre delivery/sale but now nothing. (Classic scammer behaviour)

He has just come online a few minutes ago and I have PM'd him again but still nothing.

He said he would pay via bank transfer which was my choice.

My rationale for sending first was purely based on:

-'siliconbits' had been here a long time and had good rep

-The computer I agreed to sell was just cluttering the place up and wouldn't have been that bothered if it got hit by lightening and blew up.

-I would be getting the persons physical address so I could hunt them down if necessary :thumbsup:


So all in all didn't have much to lose, but I will chase to the death. Yeah I'll go with what you say and give it a while longer before shouting "scam!"


Thanks



So does he have all your bank details? Did you get a phone number from him?
#5
He ain't got any feedback for selling or buying on here:-
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forum-feedback?search=siliconbits
Have you tried to phone him?
#6
Just to clarify the deal was that on receiving the computer he would email me to confirm it was OK and then I would hand over my bank details.

So he doesn't have my bank details.

Also no I don't have his telephone number, mistake maybe but for me that's neither here nor there given the value of the item to me. The point for me now is that if he's going to scam me I wanna react quickly and get over to where the comp was confirmed as being delivered to and stop him in his tracks.

However I'll give him another 24hrs before I cry scam.

Maybe if one of you know siliconbits you could wake him up and ask him whats going on.


Thanks
#7
I just wouldnt send anything without payment first - easy enough to refund if somethings not right..

AND after the last post - about no bank details or phone number - then im sorry but you have yourself to blame I think.
#8
SpecMan
Just to clarify the deal was that on receiving the computer he would email me to confirm it was OK and then I would hand over my bank details.

So he doesn't have my bank details.

Also no I don't have his telephone number, mistake maybe but for me that's neither here nor there given the value of the item to me. The point for me now is that if he's going to scam me I wanna react quickly and get over to where the comp was confirmed as being delivered to and stop him in his tracks.

However I'll give him another 24hrs before I cry scam.

Maybe if one of you know siliconbits you could wake him up and ask him whats going on.


Thanks



You should email him and request a read report... Then you'll know if he's f*nnying about... Seeing him online on here and not answering you rings alarm bells for me...
1 Like #9
Becksdawe

AND after the last post - about no bank details or phone number - then im sorry but you have yourself to blame I think.


OK thanks for that, because I didn't hand over my bank details before I sent the item I'm to blame? well OK we all have our opinions.


Being new myself and given his reputation and time on the forum plus the fact that the item I was selling was redundant to me I was never going to break down in tears if I got scammed.

However if it transpires that I'm being scammed I will take steps because having someones address and being quite close to them is pretty useful.


See what happens...
#10
actually on other forums many times ive seen people sending first if they have no history as the buyer is normally proven to be genuine.

only thing is in this sitution as dino has pointed out there isnt any feedback for the buyer at all.

you have his name and address cant you do a check for phone number 192.com,or ukinfo discs, also check the postcode tallies to the address given etc.
#11
He last posted on the 13th October. Has not posted since. Hes online now though
#12
SpecMan
OK thanks for that, because I didn't hand over my bank details before I sent the item I'm to blame? well OK we all have our opinions.


Being new myself and given his reputation and time on the forum plus the fact that the item I was selling was redundant to me I was never going to break down in tears if I got scammed.

However if it transpires that I'm being scammed I will take steps because having someones address and being quite close to them is pretty useful.


See what happens...


I don't think it's bad thing that you didn't give him your bank details, I wasn't having ago at you or anything! As someone else just mentioned I've seen people send things then get paid for them after they've been received. Personally I wouldn't do that but you obviously trusted the guy...

I hope it all works out for you :)
#13
even if they were checking the pc was fine and dandy they could at least have the courtesy to reply some thing along the lines of

Buyer: hello there recieved the pc all well packaged and speedy delivery can u give me a day or two to make sure its fine and check for problems

but ignoring u gives me this impression

Buyer: MWA HAHAHA sucker now ive got the pc im gonna surf porn to my hearts content and the clown who sent it has no way of tracing me hahha

ps. i salute u for sending an item first and goes to show u are a good person lol just a shame this happened and i do hope its just a mix up and the deal ends well
#14
muffin247
even if they were checking the pc was fine and dandy they could at least have the courtesy to reply some thing along the lines of

Buyer: hello there recieved the pc all well packaged and speedy delivery can u give me a day or two to make sure its fine and check for problems

but ignoring u gives me this impression

Buyer: MWA HAHAHA sucker now ive got the pc im gonna surf porn to my hearts content and the clown who sent it has no way of tracing me hahha



:giggle: you make me laugh muffin :giggle:

The guy has the buyers address though & he doesn't live too far away... So he's gonna go beat the cr*p outta him if he doesn't pay up :giggle:
#15
I was told i was cheeky for asking newbies to post first.....EVEN ALTHOUGH i have a lot of good feedback on here, and id like to think im trusted on the FS forum....

i think its probably ok..i mean...for example i have HUKD as my homepage, and when i put Browser on it goes online and i dont always check it, also if other ppl use his machine it may log him in auto and it may not be him online.. if he doesnt reply tomorrow maybe send him a little letter via recorded post, as u know his address...and tell him to reply to you on here...
#16
[SIZE=2]I don't understand, if you have been a "Scam Hunter for 5 Years" what are you doing sending £70 worth of goods to a guy you have not spoken to? You don't even have his phone number, why don't you find it and call him?[/SIZE]
#17
muffin247
even if they were checking the pc was fine and dandy they could at least have the courtesy to reply some thing along the lines of

Buyer: hello there recieved the pc all well packaged and speedy delivery can u give me a day or two to make sure its fine and check for problems

but ignoring u gives me this impression

Buyer: MWA HAHAHA sucker now ive got the pc im gonna surf porn to my hearts content and the clown who sent it has no way of tracing me hahha



Hehe yeah thats the thing, I would of hoped for some sort of message by now

sadiebabes
don't think it's bad thing that you didn't give him your bank details, I wasn't having ago at you or anything!


No problem, I wasn't replying to you when I said that, I quoted Becksdawe ;-)


BTW what is a "read report"? he hasn't replied to my emails so far but will he be more likely to reply if I ask him for a "read report" then? (what ever that is :-D )
m00nie
actually on other forums many times ive seen people sending first if they have no history as the buyer is normally proven to be genuine.


Yeah exactly, being a newbie to the forum and trading with someone who had a lot of rep I felt obliged to send the item first and since I would get the persons physical address I thought it would be OK.
#18
tazandsaz
I was told i was cheeky for asking newbies to post first.....EVEN ALTHOUGH i have a lot of good feedback on here, and id like to think im trusted on the FS forum....

i think its probably ok..i mean...for example i have HUKD as my homepage, and when i put Browser on it goes online and i dont always check it, also if other ppl use his machine it may log him in auto and it may not be him online.. if he doesnt reply tomorrow maybe send him a little letter via recorded post, as u know his address...and tell him to reply to you on here...

My thoughts too. maybe its not him online now. it could be his oh or something. Hes probably at work yet
#19
SpecMan
No problem, I wasn't replying to you when I said that, I quoted Becksdawe ;-)


BTW what is a "read report"? he hasn't replied to my emails so far but will he be more likely to reply if I ask him for a "read report" then? (what ever that is :-D )



You can request a read report if you use outlook for your email. You tick a wee box and get an email sent to you that tells you when/if he's read it... if he deletes it without reading it the report will tell you that too :)

Honestly hope you get your money specman :)
#20
Personally,I think your money probably gone.I wouldn't sent anything without getting paid 1st,even if you weren't that bothered about the item,it also cost you a few quid or whatever to send off if you used courier.
#21
sadiebabes
You can request a read report if you use outlook for your email. You tick a wee box and get an email sent to you that tells you when/if he's read it... if he deletes it without reading it the report will tell you that too :)

Honestly hope you get your money specman


Oh yeah sorry, should of twigged. Don't use Outlook unfortunately :oops:

192.com has nothing, I do have a lead though but I wont post it yet until I know I'm being scammed.

Mum2Connor&Cerys
Personally,I think your money probably gone.I wouldn't sent anything without getting paid 1st,even if you weren't that bothered about the item,it also cost you a few quid or whatever to send off if you used courier.


Yeah, cost me £4.99, christmas is ruined :-( :giggle:

Seriously though whatever way you look at it, someone has to send something first to make the deal happen, whether it be the item or the money, in the case I'm the mug and I sent first, just happened to be the item. Difference is that because I sent the item first I have the guys address and unfortunately for him I live within travelling distance ;-)
#22
dinosteveus
[SIZE=2]I don't understand, if you have been a "Scam Hunter for 5 Years" what are you doing sending £70 worth of goods to a guy you have not spoken to? You don't even have his phone number, why don't you find it and call him?[/SIZE]


Well I didn't say I was any good at being a scam hunter ;)

Seriously though, in this case I don't see anything wrong with not having his phone number if I have his address, sure it's £70 worth of goods but to me all I have lost is the £4.99 delivery money.

what are you doing sending £70 worth of goods to a guy you have not spoken to?


Happens thousands of times a day on Ebay, it's not a cardinal sin and doesn't make any odds if I'd of spoken to him or not in this case. An address is of much greater use than a phone number, and to be honest it's almost redundant if you have a valid address (which I checked).
#23
got anything to send to me

ill promise ill pay up:p
#24
muffin247
got anything to send to me

ill promise ill pay up:p



HAHA

How bout my bank card and I'll email u the pin :santa:

....and no I don't want your phone number ;-)
#25
SpecMan
HAHA

How bout my bank card and I'll email u the pin :santa:

....and no I don't want your phone number ;-)


Lol atleast you can laugh about it SpecMan... :) I'll email the guy if you want & see what he says... Just pm me his email address and what you wanna ask him... :)
#26
SpecMan
HAHA

How bout my bank card and I'll email u the pin :santa:

....and no I don't want your phone number ;-)


oh cmon take it

cmon just text me just sms me!!!

jokin aside lets hope u get your money:thumbsup:
#27
muffin247
oh cmon take it

cmon just text me just sms me!!!

jokin aside lets hope u get your money:thumbsup:



Muffin has a jar full of 2p's he's happy to give out... Might help you out till you get your £70:giggle:
#28
sadiebabes
Muffin has a jar full of 2p's he's happy to give out... Might help you out till you get your £70:giggle:


:thumbsup: By all means, hopefully they'll be a few £1 coins in amongst all the shrapnel ;-)

Something worth mentioning.......the item was sent to a commercial address, when I checked up on it, it appears there are a couple of 'one man band' sort of businesses operating out of that building but not shops. It's just occurred to me that I guess that particular address could be used by criminals as a 'front' but if it was then surely they wouldn't use it to take deliveries coz they would have to risk actually being there to collect. Any thoughts?
#29
SpecMan
:thumbsup: By all means, hopefully they'll be a few £1 coins in amongst all the shrapnel ;-)

Something worth mentioning.......the item was sent to a commercial address, when I checked up on it, it appears there are a couple of 'one man band' sort of businesses operating out of that building but not shops. It's just occurred to me that I guess that particular address could be used by criminals as a 'front' but if it was then surely they wouldn't use it to take deliveries coz they would have to risk actually being there to collect. Any thoughts?


If I didn't know better I'd say you were extracting the urine.:giggle:

Didn't you Google Earth the Postcode?:?
Don't compare this transaction with ebay, it's nothing like an ebay transaction.:x
#30
dinosteveus

Don't compare this transaction with ebay, it's nothing like an ebay transaction.:x


Who mentioned ebay dino?

Edit: I just read back and saw :)
[mod]#31
dinosteveus

Don't compare this transaction with ebay, it's nothing like an ebay transaction.:x


True, chance of getting your money back on eBay are much higher. :p :giggle:

As for respected member as stated by OP i don't ever recall really seeing this person post and with the length of time he's been here he doesn't even average 1 post a day.
#32
dinosteveus
If I didn't know better I'd say you were extracting the urine.:giggle:

Didn't you Google Earth the Postcode?:?
Don't compare this transaction with ebay, it's nothing like an ebay transaction.:x


Good god man, you'll give yourself a heart attack at this rate, anyone would think it's you that's been scammed.

Ideally I didn't start the thread to discuss what I did and didn't do pre-sale or my mistakes :oops:

I checked the postcode, but in hind sight what difference does it make in this case. I have been given an address where the scammer had to of been at to collect the goods thus the address must be valid, checking the postcode wouldn't of made a difference would it?
#33
SpecMan
Good god man, you'll give yourself a heart attack at this rate, anyone would think it's you that's been scammed.

Ideally I didn't start the thread to discuss what I did and didn't do pre-sale or my mistakes :oops:

I checked the postcode, but in hind sight what difference does it make in this case. I have been given an address where the scammer had to of been at to collect the goods thus the address must be valid, checking the postcode wouldn't of made a difference would it?


Why did you start this thread?:?
#34
dinosteveus
Why did you start this thread?:?


Primarily to find out what the forum etiquette is relating to transactions and how long I should I wait before crying "scam!" although any advice offered on how to tackle scammers after the transaction has gone through is also gratefully received.
#35
they were last online last night

Last Activity: Yesterday 22:41

really sorry to hear that you may of been scammed next time make sure you get a phone number and actually speak to someone, its in the rules/guidelines of selling and its there to try and stop this type of thing happening, i hope you get it sorted
#36
To update, I received an email from siliconbits and he said sorry for the delay and he has sent me money via BT so we'll see in a few days whether or not I receive the money.

Looks like it wasn't a scam after all but merely strange goings on (being online several times and not responding to contact).

So without wanting to label someone a scammer I'll consider the case closed.....unless the bank transfer doesn't materialise :oops:


next time make sure you get a phone number and actually speak to someone


Nah, I'm really not bothered about the phone number lark, it's pointless, you cant legally look up an individuals address with there phone number because it contravenes the Data Protection Act over here. Much better to verify ebay user-names and get physical addresses IMO.
#37
That's good to hear SpecMan :)

Let us know when you've received your money :) xx
#38
it was all thanks to me, since i was in the area yesterday i went to silicon bits house and over a cup of tea and biscuits preached the goodness of doing the right thing and living a good life

next thing i knew i was shown the door, well i did try specman
#39
SpecMan

Looks like it wasn't a scam after all but merely strange goings on (being online several times and not responding to contact).

.


maybe you sold him a dodgy pc and he couldnt reply :whistling:
#40
m00nie
maybe you sold him a dodgy pc and he couldnt reply :whistling:



Haha, I don't sell dodgy PC's......I work for PC World ;-) :giggle:

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