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advise needed on speed prosecution

danib Avatar
8y, 2w agoPosted 8 years, 2 weeks ago
hello,
not a very good start for the day - just received notice on prosecution for failing to conform to red traffic light.
in general i am very safe driver however in this instance don t know what happened. i understand they is a fine of £60 and 3 penalty points. should i just then accept the offence and send the confirmation to them or appeal and go to court. its just i m worried about the 3 points which will effect my job (that requires a clean license). and plus the insurance as i am 22 only. please advise what to do.
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8y, 2w agoPosted 8 years, 2 weeks ago
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#1
migit be worth asking here,
http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/
#2
If you take it to court there is a good chance it will be more hassle and money than the fine and 3point.

What do you do?
#3
Query it and ask for the photographic evidence - a relative of mine did this and found that her No.1 son had 'borrowed' the car!!!!!!!
#4
When it happned to me l got a photograph from the cameras with the notice, did you? Even if there was good reason like the traffic had stopped apparantly that's an insufficient as an excuse. You just have to accept it like I did.
#5
the fine will state where the offence happened , decide yourself if you were in that area on the day in question , also concider if others could have been driving the car at the time and commited the offence , if the doubt occurs ask for photographic evidence

chances are all this will increase the fine as any extra involvement means extra money added on , also you already have the job so gaining points after the fact should not effect your job at all , an industrial tribunial would award in your favour as its in approprite to assume someone will have a clean licence for a potential 49 years
#6
If you think/ know its you then my advice would be to plead guilty and accept the 3 points and £60 fine.

However, if you think somebody else was driving then you plead not guilty. Howver (again!), the Police will ask you who was driving the vehicle on the time and day in question. If you fail to supply this information or they find out it was you driving you will be n greater trouble and possibly end up looking at an offence of Perverting The Course of Justice.

Not every traffic light camera take a photograph of the driver but the pic should/ will show the vehicle crossing the stop line when the light is at red.

Hope that gives you some assistance and advice.
#7
If you did run a red then pay the fine. If you're not sure you can ask for more evidence.
Remember to inform your insurers and have a word with your employer.
They might be reasonable as it wasn't dangerous driving or speeding.
You can get points for illegal parking and employers usually can overlook some situations. Before following any of this advise run it by citizens advise. Hope it all turns out OK for you and your employers keep you on.
#8
Get yourself on to pepipoo forum.

http://www.pepipoo.com/

Cheers,

Calum
#9
hi everyone thanks for the advice. firstly on the time and day the offence took place i was going to work so therefore that clarifies that it was me. however in regards to the offence i have requested the images. if they cannot produce the images does that mean i walk free or do i still need to go to court and say that was no evidence. i work as a technician and travel around for my company. if i tell them about the 3 points they will restrict be from travelling and effect my job. can these 3 point be transffered to someone else or cleared of by paying extra. what happens if i do not tell my insurance company.
#10
calum_h
Get yourself on to pepipoo forum.

http://www.pepipoo.com/

Cheers,

Calum


This is by far the best advice there is here - go there now and start a thread as there's people there who genuinely know what they're talking about. You are not entitled to photographic evidence until it goes to court and you're pleading not guilty however if you request photos to assist in identifying the driver without using the term 'evidence', most police forces will oblige.

John
#11
My wife was done for this.

We asked for photographic evidence, having been given details in writing.

When the photos arrived, it plainly showed her jumping a red light.

However, she was not heading in the direction which had been stated, she was heading the opposite way.

We therefore contested the summons on the grounds that there was no evidence to substantiate what had been alleged in words.

Never heard another thing.:thumbsup:
banned#12
virus
My wife was done for this.

We asked for photographic evidence, having been given details in writing.

When the photos arrived, it plainly showed her jumping a red light.

However, she was not heading in the direction which had been stated, she was heading the opposite way.

We therefore contested the summons on the grounds that there was no evidence to substantiate what had been alleged in words.

Never heard another thing.:thumbsup:



glad i wanst crossing the road or travelling the other way when she did it
#13
virus
My wife was done for this.

We asked for photographic evidence, having been given details in writing.

When the photos arrived, it plainly showed her jumping a red light.

However, she was not heading in the direction which had been stated, she was heading the opposite way.

We therefore contested the summons on the grounds that there was no evidence to substantiate what had been alleged in words.

Never heard another thing.:thumbsup:


lucky sod

i however got done for exceeding 30 mph in a 40 zone , no point in contesting as they would have simply altered the charge ( ohhhh yes they can )

also and this is a fine point , a friends just been done 400 quid for contesting a speeding ticket from a camera , at the time in the picture he was asleep which was proveable , they clock hadnt been altered to british summer time hence it was known that he wasnt driving at that time so therefore couldnt have commited the offence , he was driving an hr later though , the picture came back without his face shown at all , it went to court and he was done anyway

sometimes you win and sometimes you get shafted
#14
Just recieved my licence back from Cumbria Constabulary.
Was down in the Lake District in September & was zapped by a camera van!
I was caught doing 57mph in a 50mph zone. I phoned & asked if any leeway was given. I was told that it was 10% + 2! I replied that I thought 10% + 2 of 50 was in fact 57! She then replied ( I'm sure she was loving this by now!) that 57 mph was actually the first mph over that I could be prosecuted at!!!
Now, if I had hit a person running across the road at 56mph I would have killed them. If I hit them doing 57mph, I would have killed them.

Therefore speeding tickets have **** all to do with 'safety on the roads' . It's all about screwing the motorists.
Let's face it if we all decided tomorrow that we were not ever going to use our cars again, Gordon Brown would be sh**ing it!
#15
tracyanne1


Therefore speeding tickets have **** all to do with 'safety on the roads' . It's all about screwing the motorists.
!


speed doesnt kill , inappropriate speed `can` kill

goverments trying to get speed in the same distate as drink driving by brain washing , i hope it fails badly
#16
I have heard of people sending in the fine of £60 and a letter requesting a picture of the driver. By doing this they were admiting fault but stating that they were not sure if it was them or someone else driving.
This has apparently worked for some people in the past due to the expense and problems of initiating a hearing and provision of evidence
#17
Its bad driving that kills, inappropriate speed is a factor of this. For example, we should lower the speed limits by skills and increase on motorways. Speed limits have been in for 30 years. sice then we have had improvements on cars - ABS, lights, etc. etc. On roads we have better lighting, surface etc.
I agree with you though about speed cameras. They should be by schools or high accident areas only. Our traffic department still have discretion on speed and if they book you round here, you really have got no excuse, much more than 10% plus 2. More like 20% plus 5
#18
tracyanne1
Just recieved my licence back from Cumbria Constabulary.
Was down in the Lake District in September & was zapped by a camera van!
I was caught doing 57mph in a 50mph zone. I phoned & asked if any leeway was given. I was told that it was 10% + 2! I replied that I thought 10% + 2 of 50 was in fact 57! She then replied ( I'm sure she was loving this by now!) that 57 mph was actually the first mph over that I could be prosecuted at!!!
Now, if I had hit a person running across the road at 56mph I would have killed them. If I hit them doing 57mph, I would have killed them.

Therefore speeding tickets have **** all to do with 'safety on the roads' . It's all about screwing the motorists.
Let's face it if we all decided tomorrow that we were not ever going to use our cars again, Gordon Brown would be sh**ing it!


Actually they could have prosecuted you at 51mph, the 10%+2 is only a guideline.

John
#19
ADZ1478
I have heard of people sending in the fine of £60 and a letter requesting a picture of the driver. By doing this they were admiting fault but stating that they were not sure if it was them or someone else driving.
This has apparently worked for some people in the past due to the expense and problems of initiating a hearing and provision of evidence


I don't really understand what you mean here - if you've been offered a fixed penalty then you've already declared to the police it was you that was driving at the time hence you can't request pictures to identify the driver. If in the first instance you return the S172 (which requests the name of the driver at the time of the offence) claiming you don't know you were driving then you'll have to prove this to a court, they tend to take this offence more seriously now and have bumped up the penalty to six points plus a hefty fine.

John

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