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Advise on how to list entire CD collection for sale please!

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6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
I have decided that I want to sell almost my entire CD collection as I really have nowhere to store them now and have uploaded everything to my ipod (and double backed up to hard drives).

This is going to take quite some time (which I don't have a lot of) and I wondered what the quickest and easiest way would be to do it to avoid individual listing.

I have masses of indie/rock and pop dating back to around the last 15 years.

If I start listing them in one post with an indication of how much I'm looking for for each how do I go about agreeing sale/payment etc? I have 500+ feedback with ebay but don't want to list them all individually there.

Any advise would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks
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6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
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banned#1
Legally, you have to delete them from your ipod, then sell them
#2
jubbyme
Legally, you have to delete them from your ipod, then sell them


Wrong! The copying to the iPod was undoubtedly illegal unless the CD contained a right to copy it to a PC/music device.
But whether they have been copied or not still means the CDs can be sold...
banned#3
ooh rock stuff any promos etc ... first dibs
#4
Ooo now I'm confused!!!?? None of the CDs are copies. Legally brought and paid for and copied to my itunes library over the years. I only play music through my ipod and don't even posses a CD player anymore so even if I wanted to play them that way I couldn't now ..........
#5
awoodhall2003;8010690
Wrong! The copying to the iPod was undoubtedly illegal unless the CD contained a right to copy it to a PC/music device.
But whether they have been copied or not still means the CDs can be sold...


Wrong!!

You are allowed to make backup copies of music that you own. If you no longer own it, you shouldn't have the back up.
#6
pwag20
Ooo now I'm confused!!!?? None of the CDs are copies. Legally brought and paid for and copied to my itunes library over the years. I only play music through my ipod and don't even posses a CD player anymore so even if I wanted to play them that way I couldn't now ..........


You have copied the CDs to your iPod and to hard drives...
There is no legal way to do this under UK law. There are no exceptions to copyright for the purpose of private copying and to copy permission would be needed from the copyright owner.

So unless the CD came with the right to copy then those copies you made were illegal.
#7
sorry to be picky but you are looking for advice and you bought the cd's :thumbsup:
#8
virus
Wrong!!

You are allowed to make backup copies of music that you own. If you no longer own it, you shouldn't have the back up.


OK hang fire...

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-other/c-other-faq/c-other-faq-type/c-other-faq-type-mp3.htm

Thats direct from the Intellectual Property Office...thus not allowed.
#9
awoodhall2003
OK hang fire...

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-other/c-other-faq/c-other-faq-type/c-other-faq-type-mp3.htm

Thats direct from the Intellectual Property Office...thus not allowed.


But some of the music is 15 years old, chances are the CD's at the time, won't apply..?
banned#10
It's about the simple fact of keeping a copy of music then selling the original

having it on the ipod or backup is fine so long as its a backup, it will no longer be a backup as you want to sell the cd's
#11
DarrylJohn
But some of the music is 15 years old, chances are the CD's at the time, won't apply..?


That is current law and thus will apply. Furthermore:
If a song is recorded then copyright in this sound recording lasts for 50 years from the end of the year in which it was made or, if published in this time, 50 years from the end of the year of publication. If the recording is not published during that 50 year period, but it is played in public or communicated to the public during that period, then copyright will last for 50 years from when this happens.
Source: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-duration/c-soundrecordings.htm
#12
well for a start I wouldn't sell them on here, the posts already show the hassle you'll get if you list here plus it'd take ages toget rid of them all which you probably wouldn't.

I'd stick them on ebay as a job lot. there are loads of collectors/bootsellers etc on there that'll snap it up. I done it a few years ago and i got around £1.50 a cd all in so was relatively happy. I'd check to see if you have any that are worth more first though.
#13
Fair enough! Not a fan of laws, but i don't see anything wrong with backing it up onto the hard drive, they'll of made a loss, and give the producers at least some money from it. some of it is 15 years old... I doubt anyone would make a fuss! Lol

Try CEX, probably get the same rate as eBay
#14
So much conflicting information! Arghhhhhhhh. Best of it is I don't actually want to sell them to make some money - just to make some space!! Ha ha. Looks like they'll be destined to the loft!??
#15
just sell them, i don't think it's a big issue really
#16
souljacker
just sell them, i don't think it's a big issue really

Seems to be an issue to some!! And thanks for the earlier spelling lesson ;-)
#17
DarrylJohn
Fair enough! Not a fan of laws, but i don't see anything wrong with backing it up onto the hard drive, they'll of made a loss, and give the producers at least some money from it. some of it is 15 years old... I doubt anyone would make a fuss! Lol

Try CEX, probably get the same rate as eBay


Then being in this system/country probably is not for you! :p
To be honest everyone does it, and lots of people are in belief of the misconception that you can copy a CD for personal usage. But copyright law states otherwise.

Cex you will probably only get pennies.

Id try here, its free so no loss. then a bulk lot on ebay if not.
#18
dog_cop
ooh rock stuff any promos etc ... first dibs

Are you after anything in particular and I'll see if I might have it? There are hundreds so I've totally lost track of what I've got!!
#19


Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 is part of Copyright Act of 1976 within US law
#20
pwag20
Seems to be an issue to some!! And thanks for the earlier spelling lesson ;-)


no probs, just two of my pet hates in one thread, nothing personal :thumbsup:
banned#21
people are confusing the issue of legally backing up the collection, its not that at all.

backup is fine, but you then want to sell the original, and keep the backup
hence having the music but selling it at the same time

you might as well allow people to post links to the piratebay if you allow this to be openly mentioned and then help selling them

if you hadnt mentioned you had backed it up, none of this would be talked about
#22
jubbyme
people are confusing the issue of legally backing up the collection, its not that at all.

backup is fine, but you then want to sell the original, and keep the backup
hence having the music but selling it at the same time

you might as well allow people to post links to the piratebay if you allow this to be openly mentioned and then help selling them

if you hadnt mentioned you had backed it up, none of this would be talked about


awoodhall2003
There is no legal way to do this under UK law. There are no exceptions to copyright for the purpose of private copying and to copy permission would be needed from the copyright owner.
Source: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-duration/c-soundrecordings.htm

There are NO exceptions.
banned#23
awoodhall2003
There are NO exceptions.



Im not talking about whether its legal to make the backup in the first place

what you cannot do is make the backup then sell the originals
and keep the music

IF they want to sell the cd's they must delete the backups, but coming on here saying they have backed it all up now want to sell, makes this place seem like the piratebay
#24
jubbyme
Im not talking about whether its legal to make the backup in the first place

what you cannot do is make the backup then sell the originals
and keep the music


IF they want to sell the cd's they must delete the backups, but coming on here saying they have backed it all up now want to sell, makes this place seem like the piratebay


But nevertheless still illegal so makes no difference as you have infringed the copyright!
Thus your point is different but the same...
If you can't first make the backup legally, then it does not matter if you sell those CDs on or not, as you have already infringed the copyright.

I agree, saying they have backed them up then selling them might seem worse, but that is only generally when people have the misconception that they can make backups legally.

Anyway, the point has been made, I was merely bringing it up as it was mentioned and put forward to try and clarify for not just the OP but others. By no means was I being rude about it nor being horrible by any other means I don't think, merely informing.

Best of luck selling them OP.
#25
Jumpingphil
It can't be as 1992 comes after 1976. :?
Plus we are not in the US.

"but in a nutshell -you may legally make a copy of your CD for personal backup if you were the one who bought (and still own) the original. "

I will take that to mean it's ok to copy a CD for personal use. :thumbsup:


Jumpingphil I know we are not in the US and thus why what you are referring to does not apply here in the UK as it is US law. And it is part of the Copyright Act of 1976 as just like we do in this legal system here in the UK we make amendments to older statutes.

Here we go:
Copyright Law of the United States of America and Related Laws Contained in Title 17 of the United States Code
Wiki on the Law (US)
banned#26
I agree our laws are a pain in the backside as to specifically what we can or cant do! I did not know the legal situation of that, but is fair to say if not legally so, to keep a backup. Not much is said in the press about this, and really, this is why mp3 players exist, and existed before you could buy mp3's themselves. Then again, tape recorders linked to an FM radio have existed for decades, but you cant use that either....

I compare the original post to a level compared to selling a tape recording off the radio, maybe everyone does it, but profit and trying to get around the legal situtation is wrong.

either way, OP should just have said, Lots of CD's for sale, what is the best way to sell them.
would have made things more easier and clear cut
#27
Bet the OP's really glad he asked now!

Can we forget he ever said about the copying bit and try and help him with his real issue?

Millions of people pirate media every day at least the OP purchased them in the first place, I think it's time to move on.
banned#28
Jumpingphil
He He, they are CDs, not cd's. :giggle:

Just my pet hate also. :thumbsup:


Mine is LEGO, as in not lego's and such mistakes!
#29
Jumpingphil
My stupid search engine.
I tell it to bring me pages only from the UK and it ignores me.

Reading on what you have posted, I still am very confused.
I see lots of sites saying similar to this one Seems to say it's ok.
I can't seem to find info specifically relating to the UK.

At the end of the day, I remain unconvinced.
I personally used to copy my albums and CDs onto tape to play in the car before I had a car CD player.
I will also copy my music onto MP3 players for me or my children ( Not that they'd want to listen to my music ) to listen to and feel perfectly justified / legal in doing so.

I do agree though, that if you are getting rid of the originals, then you should really get rid of any copies too.


EDIT: Greg, I did try that in my first post. :thumbsup:


No worries! I know google use to be really good when asking for UK only, but ive noticed recently it still gives you US sites (amongst other places).

Be convinced, the only reason I am 100% sure is because I am in my final year doing my Law Degree, and have chosen to study Intellectual Property (copyright, trademarks, passing off, etc) and you should have heard the gasps in the class when our lecturer (who also use to practice in the field) said that there was no exceptions and that CDs could not be even backed up for archiving!

However, obviously most of us do it, and they cannot prove a thing. But nevertheless, the laws remain, and posting on a thread admitting it although unlikely to get found out is not the best of ideas.
Furthermore, if they did happen to do anything about it the most probable scenario would be to make you remove all the copies you had, and maybe a small(ish) fine. They only really care about when people are making businesses out of it.

Also there has been many discussions put forward in regards to 'allowing' people to legally make copies for at least their own private usage and amending our copyright laws, but I think we have bigger fish to fry in this country at the moment.

But it I think even for anyone it is quite interesting to know.
#30
greg_68
Bet the OP's really glad he asked now!
.

I'm a she!!!
#31
I think I may just have to eat the CD's now! As:

I can't sell them unless I delete them from my ipod

I can't give them away for the same reason as above

I guess if I throw them away they'll take longer than a carrier bag to disintegrate!!!!?

The only other alternative is to use them as ornaments or wall art - but then I'd need to buy a bigger house.

Arrrghhhhhhhhhhhhh
#32
Jesus Christ! This has got to be the most pathetic thread I've seen in a looong, long time. Who really cares that much about UK and US copyright laws? Pwag, just sell your CDs. Bulk list them here, eBay or Gumtree, sell them to Magpie, hold a car boot sale, whatever. Yeah, sure, it might be slightly illegal, but have you *ever* heard of anyone being busted by the police for having unlicensed music on their iPod? Exactly.

Actually, I'll go on. Y'know, I got into an ickle spot of bother a few weeks ago that ended with me being interviewed by a couple of police officers. They searched me, as is apparently procedure for someone who's utterly blitzed and who's just been in a scrap, and although they did ask various questions and search me for various things, at no point did they check my MP3 player out for songs I mightn't be the legitimate owner of. Didn't confiscate it for further investigation. Didn't even ask. Didn't care at all. I've seen car boot sale raids too, and y'know, the police, every time without fail, always go for the guy selling boxloads of new-releases that are on gold CDs with poorly printed slipcases. They don't care about people like us selling our old CDs. Simply put, apart from Woodhall, no-one cares. So just sell your stuff, and don't let him bother you.
#33
dxx
So just sell your stuff, and don't let him bother you.


Will you be my new best friend? Ha ha. I didn't imagine my post would ever attract so much debate on the subject. Just a simple innocent question and wow!! :oops:
1 Like #34
dxx
Jesus Christ! This has got to be the most pathetic thread I've seen in a looong, long time. Who really cares that much about UK and US copyright laws? Pwag, just sell your CDs. Bulk list them here, eBay or Gumtree, sell them to Magpie, hold a car boot sale, whatever. Yeah, sure, it might be slightly illegal, but have you *ever* heard of anyone being busted by the police for having unlicensed music on their iPod? Exactly.

Actually, I'll go on. Y'know, I got into an ickle spot of bother a few weeks ago that ended with me being interviewed by a couple of police officers. They searched me, as is apparently procedure for someone who's utterly blitzed and who's just been in a scrap, and although they did ask various questions and search me for various things, at no point did they check my MP3 player out for songs I mightn't be the legitimate owner of. Didn't confiscate it for further investigation. Didn't even ask. Didn't care at all. I've seen car boot sale raids too, and y'know, the police, every time without fail, always go for the guy selling boxloads of new-releases that are on gold CDs with poorly printed slipcases. They don't care about people like us selling our old CDs. Simply put, apart from Woodhall, no-one cares. So just sell your stuff, and don't let him bother you.


If you bothered to read my posts, you'd see I have nothing against her selling them, or doing as she pleases. However, was merely informing what the actual situation is and I even addressed the likelihood of getting 'busted' for it.
Its just an interesting misconception that I thought I would inform people off...and yes as a law student I generally do care about the law, otherwise id be out of a degree, and out of potential jobs!
banned#35
awoodhall2003
If you bothered to read my posts, you'd see I have nothing against her selling them, or doing as she pleases. However, was merely informing what the actual situation is and I even addressed the likelihood of getting 'busted' for it.
Its just an interesting misconception that I thought I would inform people off...and yes as a law student I generally do care about the law, otherwise id be out of a degree, and out of potential jobs!


You generally care about the law yet you've nothing against someone breaking it?
#36
pwag20
Will you be my new best friend? Ha ha. I didn't imagine my post would ever attract so much debate on the subject. Just a simple innocent question and wow!! :oops:


Innit, man. You know, I should really post a screengrab of my own MP3 collection up here. It's great. I actually have three collections (one of which being an uncompressed rip of all of my CDs, which are also mostly indie/rock stuff from the last 15 years), but the one I'm most proud of is the one which features the name of pretty much every band who've ever released a song that I've quite liked or who have a good reputation, and then the word words "full discography". I think it'd make the boy's head explode.
#37
Jumpingphil
Mine covers the whole [COLOR="Blue"] 's [/COLOR] stuck on the end of anything thinking that it makes it a plural.
Seems to be rampant these days. Specially on here.


Totally agree.

Don't you mean "Especially on here" though? :-D
banned#38
burstlikeabubble
Totally agree.

Don't you mean "Especially on here" though? :-D


You can use either though especially would have been a better fit.
#39
Sell on ebay as a lot. Any particular cds which might be worth more list separately.
#40
master_chief
You generally care about the law yet you've nothing against someone breaking it?


Not at all, it a persons choice to break the law not mine...especially over something as small as this. But there is no harm in informing people of the current law and how it applied so they are in the knowledge of it.

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