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Both Clinton and Trump went before AIPAC, before the election, and competed with each other for what they, if elected, would do for Israel? Trump said he'd move the embassy to Jerusalem, he said i…
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banned1m, 3w agoPosted 1 month, 3 weeks ago
Both Clinton and Trump went before AIPAC, before the election, and competed with each other for what they, if elected, would do for Israel?

Trump said he'd move the embassy to Jerusalem, he said it loudly and proudly ( more so than Clinton) and made it one of his campaign promises. He duly gets elected.

What is this strange ritual in the US where presidential nominees all go before AIPAC, pledge allegiance to Israel, and then compete with each other with what Israel will benefit from them if ejected as President?

Is this peculiar ritual synonymous of the ritual of kissing the ring of the Don in mafia movies upon becoming a made man? ( see Godfather trilogy)
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Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.... apparently.
banned#3
dozstanford
Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.... apparently.


Could be you're right. But I don't want this thread to go all the way to the illuminati ;)
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smiler594
dozstanford
Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.... apparently.


Could be you're right. But I don't want this thread to go all the way to the illuminati ;)


​it will but perhaps only in Neverland.
banned#5
davewave
smiler594
dozstanford
Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.... apparently.


Could be you're right. But I don't want this thread to go all the way to the illuminati ;)


​it will but perhaps only in Neverland.


Do you mean this does go all the way to the illuminati?

This strange "ritual", It is almost like kissing the ring of Mafia Don...
banned#6
riverman
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/2713/large/tinfoil-hat-2.jpeg


Very cryptic riverman. Care to expand on that?
banned#7
Looks like a DJ?
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if AIPAC can achieve this, how can we create a PRO UK lobby in the US where US presidential nominees compete among themselves for what they will do for us if they get elected ?
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riverman
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wearing the correct protection from 'The Throne' and 'Them'
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smiler594
davewave
smiler594
dozstanford
Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.... apparently.

Could be you're right. But I don't want this thread to go all the way to the illuminati ;)

​it will but perhaps only in Neverland.

Do you mean this does go all the way to the illuminati?

This strange "ritual", It is almost like kissing the ring of Mafia Don...
Only like to focus on that Pac in particular from the many, seems a bit discriminatory.
banned#11
davewave
riverman
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/2713/large/tinfoil-hat-2.jpeg
wearing the correct protection from 'The Throne' and 'Them'


Hahaha!
banned#12
riverman
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/2713/large/tinfoil-hat-2.jpeg


Sorry delayed reaction, get it now !! Tin foil hats, and I thought it was a DJ!!
banned#13
davewave
smiler594
davewave
smiler594
dozstanford
Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.... apparently.

Could be you're right. But I don't want this thread to go all the way to the illuminati ;)

​it will but perhaps only in Neverland.

Do you mean this does go all the way to the illuminati?

This strange "ritual", It is almost like kissing the ring of Mafia Don...
Only like to focus on that Pac in particular from the many, seems a bit discriminatory.


Well, if there are more, and it could well be, are any powerful enough to get 2 US presidential nominees competing with each other for what they can do?

If not, how can we get one of these to the same level for the UK?
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riverman
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Very cryptic riverman. Care to expand on that?
Its a secret I bet.
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smiler594
davewave
smiler594
davewave
smiler594
dozstanford
Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.... apparently.

Could be you're right. But I don't want this thread to go all the way to the illuminati ;)

​it will but perhaps only in Neverland.

Do you mean this does go all the way to the illuminati?

This strange "ritual", It is almost like kissing the ring of Mafia Don...
Only like to focus on that Pac in particular from the many, seems a bit discriminatory.


Well, if there are more, and it could well be, are any powerful enough to get 2 US presidential nominees competing with each other for what they can do?

If not, how can we get one of these to the same level for the UK?


​You can't!
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smiler594
davewave
smiler594
davewave
smiler594
[quote=dozstanford] Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.... apparently.
Could be you're right. But I don't want this thread to go all the way to the illuminati ;)
​it will but perhaps only in Neverland.
Do you mean this does go all the way to the illuminati?

This strange "ritual", It is almost like kissing the ring of Mafia Don...
Only like to focus on that Pac in particular from the many, seems a bit discriminatory.


There are many significant advocacy groups through history, some of which could be considered to operate with different dynamics and could better be described as social movements. Here are some notable groups operating in different parts of the world:

Lobby groups do exist in the UK in addition to the US, you should look into it, you can see the info on a website they call Wikipedia please take note...US Chamber of Commerce, by far the biggest lobby group in the US by amount spent.

American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the American Israel lobby, which is described by the New York Times as the "most influential Lobby impacting US relations with Israel."[17]
British Medical Association, which formed at a meeting of 50 doctors in 1832 for the sharing of knowledge; its lobbying led to the Medical Act 1858 and the formation of the General Medical Council which has registered and regulated doctors in the UK to this date.[18]
Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, which has advocated for the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons and unilateral nuclear disarmament in the UK since 1957, and whose logo is now an international peace symbol.[19]
Center for Auto Safety, an organization formed in 1970 which aims to give consumers a voice for auto safety and quality in the United States.[20]
Drug Policy Alliance, whose principal goal is to end the American "War on Drugs".[21]
Electronic Frontier Foundation, an international non-profit digital rights advocacy and legal organization based in the United States.
Energy Lobby, an umbrella term for the representatives of large oil, gas, coal, and electric utilities corporations that attempt to influence governmental policy in the United States.
Financial Services Roundtable, an organization representing the banking lobby.
Greenpeace, an organization formed in 1970 as the Don't Make a Wave Committee to stop nuclear weapons testing in the United States.[22]
The Human Rights Campaign, an LGBT civil rights advocacy and lobbying organization seeking to advance the cause of LGBT rights in America.[23]
National Rifle Association, an organization that formed in New York in 1871 to protect the rights of gun-owners.[24]
Oxfam, an organization formed in 1942 in the UK as the 'Oxford Committee for Famine Relief'.[25]
Pennsylvania Abolition Society, which formed in Philadelphia in 1775 with a mission to abolish slavery in the United States.[26]
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, an animal rights organization that focuses primarily on animal treatment on factory farms, in the clothing trade, in laboratories, and in the entertainment industry.[27]
Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, founded in Manchester in 1889 to campaign against the 'barbarous trade in plumes for women's hats'.[28]
Sierra Club, which formed in 1892 to help protect the Sierra Nevada.[29]
Stop the War Coalition, an organization against the War on Terrorism which included a march of between 750,000 and 2,000,000 people in London in 2003.[30]
Suffragettes, which sought to gain voting rights for women through direct action and hunger strikes from 1865–1928 in the United Kingdom.[31]
The Affiliated Residential Park Residents Association Incorporated (ARPRA), which was established in 1986 to represent residents of residential parks in New South Wales, Australia.
The Puntland Human Rights Association Advocates the rights of children, women and minority groups in Somalia and was founded on Dec 2006, Gardo, Puntland regions of Somalia.
Sunday School movement, which formed in about 1751 to promote universal schooling in the UK.[32]
Tories, which formed in 1678 to fight the British Exclusion Bill and developed into one of the first political parties, now known as the Conservative Party[33]
US Chamber of Commerce, by far the biggest lobby group in the US by amount spent[34]



Edited By: davewave on Jan 08, 2017 16:50
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Lobbying expenditures
The Chamber has emerged as the largest lobbying organization in America. The Chamber's lobbying expenditures in 2015 were more than two-and-a-half times higher than the next highest spender: American Medical Association, at $23.9 million.

US Chamber Lobbying 2002-2015

Year US Cham. Rank US Cham. Spending Next Highest Spender Next Highest Amount
2015 1 $64,190,000 American Medical Assn $23,910,000
2014 1 $124,080,000 National Assn of Realtors $55,057,053
2013 1 $74,470,000 National Assn of Realtors $38,584,580
2012 1 $136,300,000 National Assn of Realtors $41,464,580
2011 1 $66,370,000 General Electric $26,340,000
2010 1 $157,187,500 PG&E Corp $45,510,000
2009 1 $144,606,000 Exxon Mobil $27,430,000
2008 1 $91,955,000 Exxon Mobil $29,000,000
2007 1 $53,082,500 Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $22,733,400
2006 1 $72,995,000 AT&T Inc $27,445,497
2005 1 $39,805,000 AARP $36,302,064
2004 1 $53,380,000 American Medical Assn $18,820,000
2003 1 $34,602,640 AARP $20,880,000
2002 1 $41,560,000 Philip Morris $15,200,000


Edited By: davewave on Jan 08, 2017 16:56
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davewave
Lobbying expenditures
The Chamber has emerged as the largest lobbying organization in America. The Chamber's lobbying expenditures in 2015 were more than two-and-a-half times higher than the next highest spender: American Medical Association, at $23.9 million.

US Chamber Lobbying 2002-2015

Year US Cham. Rank US Cham. Spending Next Highest Spender Next Highest Amount
2015 1 $64,190,000 American Medical Assn $23,910,000
2014 1 $124,080,000 National Assn of Realtors $55,057,053
2013 1 $74,470,000 National Assn of Realtors $38,584,580
2012 1 $136,300,000 National Assn of Realtors $41,464,580
2011 1 $66,370,000 General Electric $26,340,000
2010 1 $157,187,500 PG&E Corp $45,510,000
2009 1 $144,606,000 Exxon Mobil $27,430,000
2008 1 $91,955,000 Exxon Mobil $29,000,000
2007 1 $53,082,500 Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $22,733,400
2006 1 $72,995,000 AT&T Inc $27,445,497
2005 1 $39,805,000 AARP $36,302,064
2004 1 $53,380,000 American Medical Assn $18,820,000
2003 1 $34,602,640 AARP $20,880,000
2002 1 $41,560,000 Philip Morris $15,200,000



Cool! Thanks for the references. The question now though, is how do we get our US lobby group fir the UK, as powerful as AIPAC, so that all presidential candidates apply for our support as competitively as they do for AIPAC?
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davewave
Lobbying expendituresThe Chamber has emerged as the largest lobbying organization in America. The Chamber's lobbying expenditures in 2015 were more than two-and-a-half times higher than the next highest spender: American Medical Association, at $23.9 million.US Chamber Lobbying 2002-2015
Year US Cham. Rank US Cham. Spending Next Highest Spender Next Highest Amount
2015 1 $64,190,000 American Medical Assn $23,910,000
2014 1 $124,080,000 National Assn of Realtors $55,057,053
2013 1 $74,470,000 National Assn of Realtors $38,584,580
2012 1 $136,300,000 National Assn of Realtors $41,464,580
2011 1 $66,370,000 General Electric $26,340,000
2010 1 $157,187,500 PG&E Corp $45,510,000
2009 1 $144,606,000 Exxon Mobil $27,430,000
2008 1 $91,955,000 Exxon Mobil $29,000,000
2007 1 $53,082,500 Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $22,733,400
2006 1 $72,995,000 AT&T Inc $27,445,497
2005 1 $39,805,000 AARP $36,302,064
2004 1 $53,380,000 American Medical Assn $18,820,000
2003 1 $34,602,640 AARP $20,880,000
2002 1 $41,560,000 Philip Morris $15,200,000
Cool! Thanks for the references. The question now though, is how do we get our US lobby group fir the UK, as powerful as AIPAC, so that all presidential candidates apply for our support as competitively as they do for AIPAC?
So the US Chamber is the largest lobbying group by a gargantuatan stretch but you are still discussing the one which has an Israel affiliation - why?
banned#20
davewave
smiler594
davewave
Lobbying expendituresThe Chamber has emerged as the largest lobbying organization in America. The Chamber's lobbying expenditures in 2015 were more than two-and-a-half times higher than the next highest spender: American Medical Association, at $23.9 million.US Chamber Lobbying 2002-2015
Year US Cham. Rank US Cham. Spending Next Highest Spender Next Highest Amount
2015 1 $64,190,000 American Medical Assn $23,910,000
2014 1 $124,080,000 National Assn of Realtors $55,057,053
2013 1 $74,470,000 National Assn of Realtors $38,584,580
2012 1 $136,300,000 National Assn of Realtors $41,464,580
2011 1 $66,370,000 General Electric $26,340,000
2010 1 $157,187,500 PG&E Corp $45,510,000
2009 1 $144,606,000 Exxon Mobil $27,430,000
2008 1 $91,955,000 Exxon Mobil $29,000,000
2007 1 $53,082,500 Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $22,733,400
2006 1 $72,995,000 AT&T Inc $27,445,497
2005 1 $39,805,000 AARP $36,302,064
2004 1 $53,380,000 American Medical Assn $18,820,000
2003 1 $34,602,640 AARP $20,880,000
2002 1 $41,560,000 Philip Morris $15,200,000
Cool! Thanks for the references. The question now though, is how do we get our US lobby group fir the UK, as powerful as AIPAC, so that all presidential candidates apply for our support as competitively as they do for AIPAC?
So the US Chamber is the largest lobbying group by a gargantuatan stretch but you are still discussing the one which has an Israel affiliation - why?


Well correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen 2 US presidential nominees compete against each other for the support of one country, Israel in this case, to get elected.

Is there another one? And why can't they complete against each other for UK interest instead? UK has a bigger economy? We don't ask them for $38 Billion is military aid either, do we?
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davewave
Lobbying expendituresThe Chamber has emerged as the largest lobbying organization in America. The Chamber's lobbying expenditures in 2015 were more than two-and-a-half times higher than the next highest spender: American Medical Association, at $23.9 million.US Chamber Lobbying 2002-2015
Year US Cham. Rank US Cham. Spending Next Highest Spender Next Highest Amount
2015 1 $64,190,000 American Medical Assn $23,910,000
2014 1 $124,080,000 National Assn of Realtors $55,057,053
2013 1 $74,470,000 National Assn of Realtors $38,584,580
2012 1 $136,300,000 National Assn of Realtors $41,464,580
2011 1 $66,370,000 General Electric $26,340,000
2010 1 $157,187,500 PG&E Corp $45,510,000
2009 1 $144,606,000 Exxon Mobil $27,430,000
2008 1 $91,955,000 Exxon Mobil $29,000,000
2007 1 $53,082,500 Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $22,733,400
2006 1 $72,995,000 AT&T Inc $27,445,497
2005 1 $39,805,000 AARP $36,302,064
2004 1 $53,380,000 American Medical Assn $18,820,000
2003 1 $34,602,640 AARP $20,880,000
2002 1 $41,560,000 Philip Morris $15,200,000
Are they not all relevant US corporations with an understandable interest in US politics?
#22
davewave
smiler594
davewave
Lobbying expendituresThe Chamber has emerged as the largest lobbying organization in America. The Chamber's lobbying expenditures in 2015 were more than two-and-a-half times higher than the next highest spender: American Medical Association, at $23.9 million.US Chamber Lobbying 2002-2015
Year US Cham. Rank US Cham. Spending Next Highest Spender Next Highest Amount
2015 1 $64,190,000 American Medical Assn $23,910,000
2014 1 $124,080,000 National Assn of Realtors $55,057,053
2013 1 $74,470,000 National Assn of Realtors $38,584,580
2012 1 $136,300,000 National Assn of Realtors $41,464,580
2011 1 $66,370,000 General Electric $26,340,000
2010 1 $157,187,500 PG&E Corp $45,510,000
2009 1 $144,606,000 Exxon Mobil $27,430,000
2008 1 $91,955,000 Exxon Mobil $29,000,000
2007 1 $53,082,500 Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $22,733,400
2006 1 $72,995,000 AT&T Inc $27,445,497
2005 1 $39,805,000 AARP $36,302,064
2004 1 $53,380,000 American Medical Assn $18,820,000
2003 1 $34,602,640 AARP $20,880,000
2002 1 $41,560,000 Philip Morris $15,200,000
Cool! Thanks for the references. The question now though, is how do we get our US lobby group fir the UK, as powerful as AIPAC, so that all presidential candidates apply for our support as competitively as they do for AIPAC?
So the US Chamber is the largest lobbying group by a gargantuatan stretch but you are still discussing the one which has an Israel affiliation - why?


​The US Chamber doesn't threaten countries with being at war with them?
banned#23
Gollywood
davewave
smiler594
davewave
Lobbying expendituresThe Chamber has emerged as the largest lobbying organization in America. The Chamber's lobbying expenditures in 2015 were more than two-and-a-half times higher than the next highest spender: American Medical Association, at $23.9 million.US Chamber Lobbying 2002-2015
Year US Cham. Rank US Cham. Spending Next Highest Spender Next Highest Amount
2015 1 $64,190,000 American Medical Assn $23,910,000
2014 1 $124,080,000 National Assn of Realtors $55,057,053
2013 1 $74,470,000 National Assn of Realtors $38,584,580
2012 1 $136,300,000 National Assn of Realtors $41,464,580
2011 1 $66,370,000 General Electric $26,340,000
2010 1 $157,187,500 PG&E Corp $45,510,000
2009 1 $144,606,000 Exxon Mobil $27,430,000
2008 1 $91,955,000 Exxon Mobil $29,000,000
2007 1 $53,082,500 Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $22,733,400
2006 1 $72,995,000 AT&T Inc $27,445,497
2005 1 $39,805,000 AARP $36,302,064
2004 1 $53,380,000 American Medical Assn $18,820,000
2003 1 $34,602,640 AARP $20,880,000
2002 1 $41,560,000 Philip Morris $15,200,000
Cool! Thanks for the references. The question now though, is how do we get our US lobby group fir the UK, as powerful as AIPAC, so that all presidential candidates apply for our support as competitively as they do for AIPAC?
So the US Chamber is the largest lobbying group by a gargantuatan stretch but you are still discussing the one which has an Israel affiliation - why?


​The US Chamber doesn't threaten countries with being at war with them?


Is AIPAC an instrument used for coercion then?
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Gollywood
davewave
smiler594
davewave
Lobbying expendituresThe Chamber has emerged as the largest lobbying organization in America. The Chamber's lobbying expenditures in 2015 were more than two-and-a-half times higher than the next highest spender: American Medical Association, at $23.9 million.US Chamber Lobbying 2002-2015
Year US Cham. Rank US Cham. Spending Next Highest Spender Next Highest Amount
2015 1 $64,190,000 American Medical Assn $23,910,000
2014 1 $124,080,000 National Assn of Realtors $55,057,053
2013 1 $74,470,000 National Assn of Realtors $38,584,580
2012 1 $136,300,000 National Assn of Realtors $41,464,580
2011 1 $66,370,000 General Electric $26,340,000
2010 1 $157,187,500 PG&E Corp $45,510,000
2009 1 $144,606,000 Exxon Mobil $27,430,000
2008 1 $91,955,000 Exxon Mobil $29,000,000
2007 1 $53,082,500 Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $22,733,400
2006 1 $72,995,000 AT&T Inc $27,445,497
2005 1 $39,805,000 AARP $36,302,064
2004 1 $53,380,000 American Medical Assn $18,820,000
2003 1 $34,602,640 AARP $20,880,000
2002 1 $41,560,000 Philip Morris $15,200,000
Cool! Thanks for the references. The question now though, is how do we get our US lobby group fir the UK, as powerful as AIPAC, so that all presidential candidates apply for our support as competitively as they do for AIPAC?
So the US Chamber is the largest lobbying group by a gargantuatan stretch but you are still discussing the one which has an Israel affiliation - why?
​The US Chamber doesn't threaten countries with being at war with them?

Neither does AIPAC.
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smiler594
Gollywood
davewave
smiler594
davewave
Lobbying expendituresThe Chamber has emerged as the largest lobbying organization in America. The Chamber's lobbying expenditures in 2015 were more than two-and-a-half times higher than the next highest spender: American Medical Association, at $23.9 million.US Chamber Lobbying 2002-2015
Year US Cham. Rank US Cham. Spending Next Highest Spender Next Highest Amount
2015 1 $64,190,000 American Medical Assn $23,910,000
2014 1 $124,080,000 National Assn of Realtors $55,057,053
2013 1 $74,470,000 National Assn of Realtors $38,584,580
2012 1 $136,300,000 National Assn of Realtors $41,464,580
2011 1 $66,370,000 General Electric $26,340,000
2010 1 $157,187,500 PG&E Corp $45,510,000
2009 1 $144,606,000 Exxon Mobil $27,430,000
2008 1 $91,955,000 Exxon Mobil $29,000,000
2007 1 $53,082,500 Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $22,733,400
2006 1 $72,995,000 AT&T Inc $27,445,497
2005 1 $39,805,000 AARP $36,302,064
2004 1 $53,380,000 American Medical Assn $18,820,000
2003 1 $34,602,640 AARP $20,880,000
2002 1 $41,560,000 Philip Morris $15,200,000
Cool! Thanks for the references. The question now though, is how do we get our US lobby group fir the UK, as powerful as AIPAC, so that all presidential candidates apply for our support as competitively as they do for AIPAC?
So the US Chamber is the largest lobbying group by a gargantuatan stretch but you are still discussing the one which has an Israel affiliation - why?


​The US Chamber doesn't threaten countries with being at war with them?


Is AIPAC an instrument used for coercion then?


​Well they have a very strong 'Ace card' that can be played at any time & it's served them well for a long time.
banned 1 Like #26
How did AIPAC, a pro Israeli US lobby group, gain so much power in the US that presidential nominees compete with each other for their support prior to the presidential election?

I don't see any body for Italy, UK or France or other able to do the same.

AIPAC appears to be in the position of Kingmakers, and as such, exerts an undue Israeli influence on US Politics, which no other nation exerts on presidential nominees. Why and how did this come to pass?
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smiler594
How did AIPAC, a pro Israeli US lobby group, gain so much power in the US that presidential nominees compete with each other for their support prior to the presidential election?
I don't see any body for Italy, UK or France or other able to do the same.
AIPAC appears to be in the position of Kingmakers, and as such, exerts an undue Israeli influence on US Politics, which no other nation exerts on presidential nominees. Why and how did this come to pass?
I think that we all know the answer to that one but explaining it will get you accused of being anti-semitic by the usual suspects.
banned 2 Likes #28
From fortune magazine
"AIPAC and the "Israel Lobby" in general—a loosely connected group of lobbyists, politicians, and Political Action Committees dedicated to strengthening America's connection with the Jewish state and advocating for support of Israel in international relations—can be a bit of a political land mine. When criticizing the actions and policies of the State of Israel, it is easy to step into territory that many would deem anti-Semitic."

It looks like any criticism of Israel in the US is deemed anti-Semitic. But this is unhealthy and an impediment to democracy. If we criticise Italy, Spain, UK we aren't being "anti" them, we are debating the best course of action.

How the heck did these guys become all powerful? I think, the uk, should emulate and surpass them, so that our national interest can come before that if the US, before that of Israel, and anyone else !!
#29
UK adopts antisemitism definition to combat hate crime against Jews
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/12/antisemitism-definition-government-combat-hate-crime-jews-israel

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Just saying...

Edited By: Fred Smith on Jan 08, 2017 17:49
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Yes, call me an anti marmite if you want, or anything else you like, but I'll criticise uk, Israel, US, France and anyone else I feel like. It's not against anyone's religion. It's called democracy and ww2 was fought to preserve it, and your right to your extremist and hateful views included!
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AIPAC - are they the power behind the Throne??

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/46478008.jpg
#32
US presidential candidates court lobby groups for the votes they can deliver. If any group controls US government it's the American Association of Retired Persons with over 33million voters compared to AIPACs paltry 5 million.
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fanpages
smiler594
AIPAC - are they the power behind the Throne??

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/46478008.jpg


Haha
#34
smiler594
davewave
riverman
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/2713/large/tinfoil-hat-2.jpeg
wearing the correct protection from 'The Throne' and 'Them'
Hahaha!
It's not that funny.
#35
smiler594
Yes, call me an anti marmite if you want, or anything else you like, but I'll criticise uk, Israel, US, France and anyone else I feel like. It's not against anyone's religion. It's called democracy and ww2 was fought to preserve it, and your right to your extremist and hateful views included!


​Yeah. Good luck with that when Benjy knocks on the door...
banned 1 Like #36
I think fanpages, looking at the composition of the US cabinet, AIPAC has its choices in power in the US. The failed attempt to subvert our MP's to a pro Israeli agenda, that Labour is demanding a national enquiry into, just shows how deep, by fair means or foul, Israeli policy is intent to stamp its mark around the world, by interfering in the national interest of other countries.

AIPAC is the kingmaker imo. I don't think a US president can get elected without their support. This is an abuse of power IMO.
banned 1 Like #37
Fred Smith
US presidential candidates court lobby groups for the votes they can deliver. If any group controls US government it's the American Association of Retired Persons with over 33million voters compared to AIPACs paltry 5 million.


It's more about the ritual where 2 presidential nominees, fight among each other to compete for support for Israel. It's embarrassing and shows the world that whoever wins AIPAC support, wins at a price - their influence over presidential prerogative.
Evan Obama waited until the end of his tenure to go against AIPAC's agenda for the UN
banned#38
Gollywood
smiler594
Yes, call me an anti marmite if you want, or anything else you like, but I'll criticise uk, Israel, US, France and anyone else I feel like. It's not against anyone's religion. It's called democracy and ww2 was fought to preserve it, and your right to your extremist and hateful views included!


​Yeah. Good luck with that when Benjy knocks on the door...


Who's Benjy?
1 Like #39
smiler594
Gollywood
smiler594
Yes, call me an anti marmite if you want, or anything else you like, but I'll criticise uk, Israel, US, France and anyone else I feel like. It's not against anyone's religion. It's called democracy and ww2 was fought to preserve it, and your right to your extremist and hateful views included!


​Yeah. Good luck with that when Benjy knocks on the door...


Who's Benjy?


​oh dear.
banned#40
smiler594
Gollywood
smiler594
Yes, call me an anti marmite if you want, or anything else you like, but I'll criticise uk, Israel, US, France and anyone else I feel like. It's not against anyone's religion. It's called democracy and ww2 was fought to preserve it, and your right to your extremist and hateful views included!


​Yeah. Good luck with that when Benjy knocks on the door...


Who's Benjy?


Gollywood there is a distinction between legitimate criticism of Israel and anti Semitism.

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