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Whether global warming is a farce or reality.... http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/149966
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7y, 1m agoPosted 7 years, 1 month ago
Whether global warming is a farce or reality....

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/149966
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#1
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/149966

I don;t have my opinion yet on this. I am just trying to understand the facts. I unnderstand global warming is a gradual increase in average temperature of the earth's atmosphere. If that is so how come we get one of the worst snow falls? Last year too there was considerable snow fall.

If the concept of global warming is a farce why so many scientists around the world trying to prove that there is a global warming and the mankind is responsible for it? Why spend so much money on werather summits?
banned#2
ide just ask google, apparently it knows everything
suspended#3
It's a scam (Not unusual in the governments case)

Search "Climategate" to find out more of how the government was busted.
If anybody does believe that humans are the main cause of global warming, seriously needs to go back to school, by school i mean kindergarten.
#4
Of coarse Global Warming exist, This is a mini-iceage.
banned#5
sassie
ide just ask google, apparently it knows everything


Strictly speaking, Google is just a search engine:?
[helper]#6
DarkKnight
It's a scam (Not unusual in the governments case)

Search "Climategate" to find out more of how the government was busted.
If anybody does believe that humans are the main cause of global warming, seriously needs to go back to school, by school i mean kindergarten.

I completely agree that humans aren't the cause - its what we do that is the problem....

Remember CFCs and the hole in the ozone? Their reaction with ozone was first raised in the early 70s but any possible effect was dismissed. How we all laughed in the late 80s when they found a great big hole in the ozone...............

Same thing will happen with climate change - you'll never convince the sceptics (or the conspiracy theorists) but strangely the overwhelming majority of scientists do believe its happening. You need to ask yourself - who do you beleive, the majority of the worlds scientists or unknown plebs (me included) on a shopping forum?
banned#7
shauneco
Of coarse Global Warming exist, This is a mini-iceage.


[SIZE="5"]MINI [/SIZE]

you wanna come up here this is the ice age


typical stretford fan dunt know jack:-D
#8
gari189
I completely agree that humans aren't the cause - its what we do that is the problem....

Remember CFCs and the hole in the ozone? Their reaction with ozone was first raised in the early 70s but any possible effect was dismissed. How we all laughed in the late 80s when they found a great big hole in the ozone...............

Same thing will happen with climate change - you'll never convince the sceptics (or the conspiracy theorists) but strangely the overwhelming majority of scientists do believe its happening. You need to ask yourself - who do you beleive, the majority of the worlds scientists or unknown plebs (me included) on a shopping forum?
the majority of scientists once believed the world was flat and earth was the centre of universe. Can you name a scientist who is well known for climate change if they all back it? Rather than any who make money out of it. People who are sceptics would not be if proper proof was given rather than vague projections and guesses
#9
global warming will make britain colder, as the earth tempreture increases, the ice caps melt, flooding the ocean with cold artic water which will in turn shut down the gulf stream, which brings warm currents to britain from the gulf of mexico, glasgow i think is on the same lattitude as moscow, its the gulf stream that keeps us warm :thumbsup:
#10
nomeames
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/149966

I don;t have my opinion yet on this. I am just trying to understand the facts. I unnderstand global warming is a gradual increase in average temperature of the earth's atmosphere. If that is so how come we get one of the worst snow falls? Last year too there was considerable snow fall.

If the concept of global warming is a farce why so many scientists around the world trying to prove that there is a global warming and the mankind is responsible for it? Why spend so much money on werather summits?


I'm not sure that the Daily Express is necessarily a particularly good source of facts on any matter. I'd just as soon trust some of Richard Desmond's other "publications". :roll:
#11
sassie
ide just ask google, apparently it knows everything


Well, Mr Google told me this article was published less than 5 hrs back. It says "Big freeze could signal global warming 'pause' ". What is this PAUSE thinggy? Is it some kind of media player that you can pause or play when you wish? The scientists worldover are confused and making everyone else confused.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/globalwarming/6965342/Big-freeze-could-signal-global-warming-pause.html
suspended#12
micoo
global warming will make britain colder, as the earth tempreture increases, the ice caps melt, flooding the ocean with cold artic water which will in turn shut down the gulf stream, which brings warm currents to britain from the gulf of mexico, glasgow i think is on the same lattitude as moscow, its the gulf stream that keeps us warm :thumbsup:


100% correct :thumbsup:
This is all a natural cycle that the Earth has gone through many times, eventually the Earth will head back towards another ice age, but not for a very long time
#13
tony_s1
I'm not sure that the Daily Express is necessarily a particularly good source of facts on any matter. I'd just as soon trust some of Richard Desmond's other "publications". :roll:


Is Telegraph good source?

Loads on google. If you read all, you will get more confused.

As someone suggested, dailymail sees this as mini ice age... lol/
banned#14
who really cares wont happen in our lifetime but if it does how cool would that be and if it doesnt oh well and ive got daughter prepared for it i gave her armbands
#15
micoo
global warming will make britain colder, as the earth tempreture increases, the ice caps melt, flooding the ocean with cold artic water which will in turn shut down the gulf stream, which brings warm currents to britain from the gulf of mexico, glasgow i think is on the same lattitude as moscow, its the gulf stream that keeps us warm :thumbsup:

What about in summer when moscow is warmer? Science based solely on the day after tomorrow is never good
#16
nomeames
Is Telegraph good source?

Loads on google. If you read all, you will get more confused.


I don't think that any newspaper is ever the best source of technical facts. Newspaper journalists tend to know a bit about lots of things but (with maybe a few exceptions) have little detailed knowledge of a lot of the subjects they write about. What they write also depends on the agenda of the proprietor.

For a better understanding, you could try starting here

http://www.newscientist.com/

I believe that they still have some reputation left.
#17
Marty1981
What about in summer when moscow is warmer? Science based solely on the day after tomorrow is never good


its still colder than our summers:roll:
#18
There's enough evidence to prove that there has been dramatic movements in the Earth's temprature, especially in the last few hundred years (though the claim that the damage is already done probably carries more weight at present).

Essentially though, you can't burn through fossils fuels at the rate we have without expecting there to be consequences.

It's the Zombie Plague I fear tbh... It'll get you first.
#19
People need to hear both sides before making a decision... so that means that all you people who base your beliefs on what the government and mainstream media tells you, need to watch something like "The Great Global Warming Swindle" on Google Video which is also full of highly reputable climatologists... and then if your views are the same... fair enough... but for me this created some doubts as the "figures" don't add up.. and anything that is government sponsored worries me.
#20
jonb2412
People need to hear both sides before making a decision... so that means that all you people who base your beliefs on what the government and mainstream media tells you, need to watch something like "The Great Global Warming Swindle" on Google Video which is also full of highly reputable climatologists... and then if your views are the same... fair enough... but for me this created some doubts as the "figures" don't add up.. and anything that is government sponsored worries me.


frankly, i dont care about it, seen bothe sides of the argument, to me it seems like each side is trying to bluff the other one out, dont like it, so i will do waht i want lol

the problem is cows anyway, the produce **** loads of methane (excuse the pun please, never mind its filtered lol)
[helper]#21
Strangely enough the Independent had an article last week about the current UK weather conditions and global warming....

So if it is the longest cold snap for 29 years, does that prove that the idea of global warming is a non-starter? Funnily enough, it doesn't. For once you look at current meteorological conditions across the whole world, a different picture emerges.

The map on the left from the UK Met Office (it is the most recent one) shows a global picture of land surface temperature "anomalies" last week – that is, temperatures which are above or below the seasonal average. The shading from blue to black shows temperatures that are below the 1961-1990 average, while yellow through to red shows temperatures which are above it.

There, clearly marked in black, is the intense Siberian cold, with some readings of 10C below normal or even more, and you can follow the freeze westwards through Scandinavia to Britain, parts of which are shown as more than 3C below the norm.

But look at the rest of the world – in north-east America and Canada, in north Africa, across the Mediterranean, through to south-west Asia, temperatures are very much above normal – in many places by more than 5C, and in parts of northern Canada, by more than 10C.

Closer to home, while we shivered yesterday, in Madrid the temperature was 10C against a seasonal average of 9C, and in Rome it was 13C, compared to an average of 11C. The weather's natural variability means it is impossible to draw long-term conclusions about a changing climate from any single episode, be it of hot, or cold.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/global-warming-is-happening-even-if-it-doesnt-feel-like-it-1858998.html
#22
I don't think you should take the majority of science stories from the media as being poorly researched. Daily express is hardly Nature is it. Also i find that certain papers (daily mail and express) to name two are also very anti-science.
[helper]#23
dananana
I don't think you should take the majority of science stories from the media as being poorly researched. Daily express is hardly Nature is it. Also i find that certain papers (daily mail and express) to name two are also very anti-science.


Yes - The Daily Mail is spectacularly bad with science issues.....if you haven't already seen the site [url]www.badscience.net[/url] makes interesting reading.
[helper]#24
jonb2412
People need to hear both sides before making a decision... so that means that all you people who base your beliefs on what the government and mainstream media tells you, need to watch something like "The Great Global Warming Swindle" on Google Video which is also full of highly reputable climatologists... and then if your views are the same... fair enough... but for me this created some doubts as the "figures" don't add up.. and anything that is government sponsored worries me.


That part is probably debateable - as a counter to your argument I'd like to offer this

A recent poll found that 97.4% of active climatologists agree that human activity is warming the planet.

Climate change sceptics sometimes claim that many leading scientists question climate change. Well, it all depends on what you mean by "many" and "leading". For instance, in April 2006, 60 "leading scientists" signed a letter urging Canada's new prime minister to review his country's commitment to the Kyoto protocol.

This appears to be the biggest recent list of sceptics. Yet many, if not most, of the 60 signatories are not actively engaged in studying climate change: some are not scientists at all and at least 15 are retired.

Compare that with the dozens of statements on climate change from various scientific organisations around the world representing tens of thousands of scientists, the consensus position represented by the IPCC reports and the 11,000 signatories to a petition condemning the Bush administration's stance on climate science.

The fact is that there is an overwhelming consensus in the scientific community about global warming and its causes. There are some exceptions, but the number of sceptics is getting smaller rather than growing.

In January 2009, a poll of 3146 earth scientists found that 82% answered yes to the question: "Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?". Of the 77 climatologists actively engaged in research, 75 answered yes (97.4%).

The scientists most likely to answer no were petroleum geologists and meteorologists.

Of course, just because most scientists think something is true does not necessarily mean they are right. But the reason they think the way they do is because of the vast and growing body of evidence. A study in 2004 looked at the abstracts of nearly 1000 scientific papers containing the term "global climate change" published in the previous decade. Not one rejected the consensus position. One critic promptly claimed this study was wrong - but later quietly withdrew the claim.


http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11654-climate-myths-many-leading-scientists-question-climate-change.html
suspended#25
Flodd
There's enough evidence to prove that there has been dramatic movements in the Earth's temprature, especially in the last few hundred years (though the claim that the damage is already done probably carries more weight at present).

Essentially though, you can't burn through fossils fuels at the rate we have without expecting there to be consequences.

It's the Zombie Plague I fear tbh... It'll get you first.


Natural process, even if humans did accelerate the process, it wouldn't matter, the main thing is to avoid deforestation as trees absorb the CO2.
#26
DarkKnight
even if humans did accelerate the process, it wouldn't matter


Why not?
suspended#27
Flodd
Why not?


Because we are already heading towards our expected fate. It's like knowing that you are going to have a car crash tomorrow that nothing can stop, if you make it happen sooner, you will achieve the same consequence.
#28
DarkKnight
Because we are already heading towards our expected fate. It's like knowing that you are going to have a car crash tomorrow that nothing can stop, if you make it happen sooner, you will achieve the same consequence.


Once again your logice defies belief... It's a widely held fact that one day our sun will burn out and all life on this planet will become extinct. Whilst I know this and indeed accept it, I don;t want it to happen sooner rather than later!

Using your logic, you may as well ram into someone on the way home as statistically that's your car crash out of the way...
suspended#29
Flodd
Once again your logice defies belief... It's a widely held fact that one day our sun will burn out and all life on this planet will become extinct. Whilst I know this and indeed accept it, I don;t want it to happen sooner rather than later!

Using your logic, you may as well ram into someone on the way home as statistically that's your car crash out of the way...


An example, and logic are two different words and meanings.
You are correct that the sun will die and envelop Mercury and Venus before toasting our planet to a crisp. But that won't happen for about another 7 Billion years, so we would therefore be dead by another means rather than that incident.

I did not say it was better for any of the examples to occur sooner, i said it would not make a difference, as in humans cannot stop the global warming cycle.

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