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Android - Interesting Year Ahead (HTC Desire)

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6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
Recently sold my HD2 - although a cracking device which i personally miss.. No Windows 7 Mobile upgrade was enough to annoy me into selling.

Purchasing a HTC Desire this week..

It does seem like an interesting year ahead for Android itself - the application store has grown a huge amount over the last few months.. Motorola Droid pretty much changed the fortunes of that company, plus sold more in it's first 2 weeks than the iPhone 2G did. Which i find simply jaw dropping.

Now Samsung, LG and Sony are all releasing Android phones... Pretty much abandoning their own platforms for the most part.. Which can only mean more apps for Android - any developer would be insane not to with the user base about to exploid with majority of mobile manufactures moving to it (with exception of Nokia obviously)

I was going to wait for the new iPhone release in June - then again.. Any upgrade Apple will make will be a 5mp camera, AMOLED screen, 1GHZ(ish) CPU and larger screen (pos).. Which HTC Desire has, so i can't see myself wanting it over the HTC Desire in a few months.. Plus i general detest how overly priced the iPhone is..

I've always thought what set the iPhone apart from current phones - isn't the OS interfaced or the hardware.. HTC have caught up in that respect.. But the application store was always it's biggest seller - more to do with third party developers than Apple itself... But now with Android getting such a massive uptake - you gotta wonder.. In 6 months is that really going to be the case? How long will it be till the Android marketplace is actually bigger and better than the iPhone AppStore... It's got to happen.. Simply from a numbers game - developers have a much higher potential earnings with a much larger user base..

Your opinions on Android?
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6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
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#1
I loved android since the G1, although parts were a little rough it was a damn good OS for a first time OS.
The only problem and why I returned the G1 in favour of a BB 8900 Curve was battery life, but my girlfriend has a G1 and loved it. I have since used a few others and they are simply amazing.

Also I must say I am hoping to get the HTC Desire myself for my next renewal!
banned#2
X10 and the supersonic look awesome
#3
awoodhall2003
I loved android since the G1, although parts were a little rough it was a damn good OS for a first time OS.
The only problem and why I returned the G1 in favour of a BB 8900 Curve was battery life, but my girlfriend has a G1 and loved it. I have since used a few others and they are simply amazing.

Also I must say I am hoping to get the HTC Desire myself for my next renewal!


Aye - reason i've avoided Android tbh.. As it was still a baby.. Has only really gotten to the point that i now want it. I've had a HTC Hero - but only very breifly.. Always went back to my iPhone due to lack of apps.. Seems to have changed completely the last 6 months though.. Motorola Droid gave it a big push, then Nexus One.. Now with so many manufactures moving onto it, seems developers are releasing the rewards to be had.

What i like though is it finally means a true competitor to the iPhone - since all that holds that device up is the app store really.. And i can't see any innovations beyond that of the HTC Desire until we see 4G phones etc. Apple need a good punch in the face, looks like they're finally gonna get it.. And won't be able to charge so much for their phones in future if they wanna stay competitve.

bykergrove
X10 and the supersonic look awesome


Yeah was going to wait for the Supersonic - but details are so slim on the ground atm it's going to be a while.. Plus from having the HTC HD2 - while absolutely incredible having such a large screen... It was a little to big.. 4" would be better tbh.. HTC Desire is 3.7.. Have to keep an eye out for that tho.
banned#4
the porter
the htc incredible is going to be the us equivalent of the desire but with an 8 mp cam and other stuff ,the rumoured hd3 is going to have a 5 inch screen its just going to go on and on from htc hopefully,im currently running the modaco desire rom on my unlocked bootloader on the nexus one and its very very usable its getting there ,you will love the desire the friend stream is great


the dell mini 5 looks great... now if they could get some htc sense into it (sea wut i did der?)

my upgrade is in june... but i have a feeling i'll be holding out for something that comes out towards the end of the year!
#5
I love my magic, just wish I could get HTC Sense on it, unfortunately it's not eligible for the upgrade, so I'll stick with my cyanogen at the moment until I've got enough disposable income for a desire or a legend.

As for the future, I can't wait, finally there is a fight over the software on phones, Blackberry, Android, Windows Phone 7, iPhone, all vying for a place in the customers pocket. Love it.
#6
Lost Symphonies
I love my magic, just wish I could get HTC Sense on it, unfortunately it's not eligible for the upgrade, so I'll stick with my cyanogen at the moment until I've got enough disposable income for a desire or a legend.

As for the future, I can't wait, finally there is a fight over the software on phones, Blackberry, Android, Windows Phone 7, iPhone, all vying for a place in the customers pocket. Love it.


Yeah..

I think the following will happen though..

Blackberry: It's always going to be a business only device, never really moving into the consumer space like Android. But people who love Blackberry will ALWAYS love Blackberry.

Windows Mobile 7: Potential to be huge - unfortunately it'll start off very much like Android did.. You've got a good 2 years from initial release until the application store has caught up.. Going to be a while until they've got a viable contender, even if it's a great OS... Mean while Android will continue to steam ahead - which i'd imagine is going to be difficult for Microsoft to carve their own space.

iPhone OSX: Always going to be a fantastic OS - but generally now.. Android and OSX aren't much different in terms of features and usability.. WIth Android and stuff like Sense UI ovetaking it.. My feelings are though - biggest thing to get over for Apple is the very thing that has done them so well.. A locked down and rather rigid system with essentially one product. Mobile marketplace is incredibley competitive - didn't take people like HTC to catch up.. Going to be very difficult for iPhone to take a leap ahead.. Even more so once Samsung, Sony, HTC and Motorola are all pumping out Android phones.. Leaving Apples market share for OSX small compared to Androids.

It's all about the applications stores in my opinion - that is what will win over the consumers. It's very similar to what happened back in the days of Apple vs Microsoft.. Eventually Microsoft won over as the OS could spread across various formats and gave the customer more choice.

With iPhone OSX / Android being pretty much mirrors feature wise now - it's going to be that third party application development that makes the difference.. Be interesting when all developers can see that Android has 10 times the userbase of iPhone OSX due it being pushed by many manufactures now. And if there is one thing that Samsung, Sony, Motorola and HTC can agree on.. Is the more Android handsets in the marketplace, the more money for them.. The more money for developers... The less money for apple.
#7
Im going to see how the desire is, give it a few weeks, if its any good, may part with my 3G S.
#8
spritey
Yeah..

I think the following will happen though..

Blackberry: It's always going to be a business only device, never really moving into the consumer space like Android. But people who love Blackberry will ALWAYS love Blackberry.

Windows Mobile 7: Potential to be huge - unfortunately it'll start off very much like Android did.. You've got a good 2 years from initial release until the application store has caught up.. Going to be a while until they've got a viable contender, even if it's a great OS... Mean while Android will continue to steam ahead - which i'd imagine is going to be difficult for Microsoft to carve their own space.

iPhone OSX: Always going to be a fantastic OS - but generally now.. Android and OSX aren't much different in terms of features and usability.. WIth Android and stuff like Sense UI ovetaking it.. My feelings are though - biggest thing to get over for Apple is the very thing that has done them so well.. A locked down and rather rigid system with essentially one product. Mobile marketplace is incredibley competitive - didn't take people like HTC to catch up.. Going to be very difficult for iPhone to take a leap ahead.. Even more so once Samsung, Sony, HTC and Motorola are all pumping out Android phones.. Leaving Apples market share for OSX small compared to Androids.

It's all about the applications stores in my opinion - that is what will win over the consumers. It's very similar to what happened back in the days of Apple vs Microsoft.. Eventually Microsoft won over as the OS could spread across various formats and gave the customer more choice.

With iPhone OSX / Android being pretty much mirrors feature wise now - it's going to be that third party application development that makes the difference.. Be interesting when all developers can see that Android has 10 times the userbase of iPhone OSX due it being pushed by many manufactures now. And if there is one thing that Samsung, Sony, Motorola and HTC can agree on.. Is the more Android handsets in the marketplace, the more money for them.. The more money for developers... The less money for apple.


Couldn't have put it better myself. I think Windows Phone 7 had a lot of ideas at release and everyone was hoping for the world, then they bring out this:

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39029453,49305285,00.htm

I think Apple need to get their fingers out and keep up with the competition, but Apple aren't used to bringing out lots of different products competing for the same customers at random times in the year. To be honest I think that Apple will fizzle out of the mobile race a lot faster than other competitors; they use their own software and only bring their software out on their own products (hope I used the right their), while Windows and Android are available to other companies to use to their full potential.

I think Android will win in overall; Windows Phone 7 has very strict guidlines for the phones using their opperating system (minimum CPU speed, RAM, even camera quality), while Android is much more leniant on it, but sometimes Android is quite slow, especially during multitasking operations. Not to mention Android being backed by the Open Handset Alliance, while involves some of the biggest phone and electronics companies around. :)
#9
How the iPhone hasn't started to die out already is beyond me, X10 is probably the way forward for me.
#10
mitchwales
How the iPhone hasn't started to die out already is beyond me, X10 is probably the way forward for me.


To be fair - no one else has had an OS on enough phones to get an app store going properly yet.. Android has only really reached that point.

HTC Desire ordered today :)
#11
spritey
To be fair - no one else has had an OS on enough phones to get an app store going properly yet.. Android has only really reached that point.

HTC Desire ordered today :)


iPhone OS is beginning to bore me though lol. But the browser is too awesome.
#12
spritey
To be fair - no one else has had an OS on enough phones to get an app store going properly yet.. Android has only really reached that point.

HTC Desire ordered today :)


Yeah I got an email from T-mobile telling about it...must say I am semi-tempted to find out what they could offer me. Although my renewal is not until DEC, but I have got two phones with them, and have had 6 contracts with them in total over the time.
#13
bykergrove
the dell mini 5 looks great... now if they could get some htc sense into it (sea wut i did der?)

my upgrade is in june... but i have a feeling i'll be holding out for something that comes out towards the end of the year!


Pretty sure the Dell Mini 5 isn't a phone.

I think its a Mobile Internet Device,.
#14
awoodhall2003
Yeah I got an email from T-mobile telling about it...must say I am semi-tempted to find out what they could offer me. Although my renewal is not until DEC, but I have got two phones with them, and have had 6 contracts with them in total over the time.


Yeah i got the £164 + 10/pm deal.

Comes out to a total of £404 over life of contract.

Perfect for me, as wife will take the sim.. 100 mins / unlimited texts / unlimited internet is plenty for her. As she mostly texts / facebook.

And life time cost of the contract is the cheapest in UK :). Chuffed
#15
MarzBarz
iPhone OS is beginning to bore me though lol. But the browser is too awesome.


I found browser on HD2 much better - mainly due to the text adjustment on double tab.. Plus having multi-touch..

Android browser is same, i'd say better than Safari on iPhone imo.

Plus higher res / bigger screen is always much better for internet viewing.
#16
spritey
Yeah i got the £164 + 10/pm deal.

Comes out to a total of £404 over life of contract.

Perfect for me, as wife will take the sim.. 100 mins / unlimited texts / unlimited internet is plenty for her. As she mostly texts / facebook.

And life time cost of the contract is the cheapest in UK :). Chuffed


Do you have a link for that matey?
#17
spritey
Yeah i got the £164 + 10/pm deal.

Comes out to a total of £404 over life of contract.

Perfect for me, as wife will take the sim.. 100 mins / unlimited texts / unlimited internet is plenty for her. As she mostly texts / facebook.

And life time cost of the contract is the cheapest in UK :). Chuffed


Yeah I spotted that earlier. Useless for me, as I often use 100 mins in one call!
I currently get £180 of credit (12p per text, 20p per min call) with unlimited internet and got my 8900 Curve for nothing, the tariff is meant to be £35pm but I pay £17.50pm :-D
This however is meant to give me less bartering according to people and even tmobile employees, but i still managed to get them to agree to give me a G1 for nothing and then a BB 8900 Curve as the battery life on the G1 was pants. :-D
#18
awoodhall2003
Yeah I spotted that earlier. Useless for me, as I often use 100 mins in one call!
I currently get £180 of credit (12p per text, 20p per min call) with unlimited internet and got my 8900 Curve for nothing, the tariff is meant to be £35pm but I pay £17.50pm :-D
This however is meant to give me less bartering according to people and even tmobile employees, but i still managed to get them to agree to give me a G1 for nothing and then a BB 8900 Curve as the battery life on the G1 was pants. :-D


Hehe aye - Didn't bother with the G1 personally. Android was in it's baby phase back then.

Yeah i pay £25/pm and get 750 mins, unlimited texts and unlimited internet.

Wife is on T-Mobile pay as you go sim, pay £10 a month and get unlimited texts and internet.. So by buying the £10 one, we aren't shelling out any more. And she gets more minutes, she she never uses much anyway. She leaves her gabbing to the house phone.

Plus since i sold my HTC HD2 for £390 - im still £226 up after the £164 pay out.

So it's worked out quite well
#19
spritey
Hehe aye - Didn't bother with the G1 personally. Android was in it's baby phase back then.

Yeah i pay £25/pm and get 750 mins, unlimited texts and unlimited internet.

Wife is on T-Mobile pay as you go sim, pay £10 a month and get unlimited texts and internet.. So by buying the £10 one, we aren't shelling out any more. And she gets more minutes, she she never uses much anyway. She leaves her gabbing to the house phone.

Plus since i sold my HTC HD2 for £390 - im still £226 up after the £164 pay out.

So it's worked out quite well


Very nice! Yeah well this is why I am thinking of contacting them to see if they would let me have a phone earlier, or just as an extra and not take the renewal at the end of the year. Doubtful, but worth a try, as I could get a bit of cash from the sale of my BB8900 as it is in good nick and never used the BBPin either, so is still useful to someone else.
#20
As a (newbie) application developer (for Android), I think the full potential is there for the Android marketplace to grow significantly throughout this year for a few reasons.

1) iPhone apps are coded in Objective C, which is very different to most programming languages (to me anyway) and it meant learning a totally new way of programming, unless you already make Mac apps that is.
Android apps are Java-based and so the learning curve isn't as big - Java is a lot closer to many other programming languages. I know this is arguable seeing as Objective-C is based on C and allows OOP but I'm talking about my personal experience.

2) Adobe Flash. Android handsets will be receiving the Flash update, which allows Adobe AIR applications to run on Android devices. The Desire will definitely support this, but older handsets such as the Hero won't. More games and apps can be created with Flash and should boost the Android Marketplace. Apple with its Flash vendetta will probably never see such an update.

3) Platform. iPhone apps can only be created using the iPhone SDK, which is compatible with newer versions of the Mac OS. Android apps only need Java which works on any platform Windows/Mac/Linux. There's plenty of free IDEs available too such as Eclipse or Netbeans for creating your applications.

4) Cost. As far as I know Android apps are free to publish, and there's no mega-tight screening process to allow only Disney-flavoured applications into the marketplace, unlike Apple. iPhone developers need to be registered and pay an annual subscription to Apple to release their apps.

5) Distribution. Android apps can be released to the marketplace, but if you'd rather you can host them almost anywhere else. Users can download the .apk file using their phones browser and install it. iPhone users are restricted to the App Store unless they have a jailbroken phone with Installous on it.

Hopefully within the next 12 months the Android marketplace will flourish, and so will the OS itself. Android has a lot of potential.

If you're into the whole rooting/custom ROMs thing then you can get a variety of custom ROMs, many of which can speed up your phone, improve battery life and unlock additional features.

I'll be getting a Desire shortly, but for now I'm still not bored of my 6 month old Hero (which is running a custom ROM I built myself).

This post was by no means an attack on iPhones, or me saying "haha Android is better". I'm simply listing a few factors which show that Android can compete with the iPhone app store.

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