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Contemplating either an iMac or a self build. If I go self build I want: 1. Absolute silence 2. Small form factor 3. Plenty of grunt, not too fussed about games but want to run at high resolu… Read More
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banned6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
Contemplating either an iMac or a self build. If I go self build I want:

1. Absolute silence
2. Small form factor
3. Plenty of grunt, not too fussed about games but want to run at high resolution.

I'm eyeing up the i5 27 inch iMac but if go self build I expect to spend significantly less but get something on a par spec wise though I don't care about disk space so SSD may do.
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banned6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
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#1
what do you use a computer for, it will help to see what route pc or mac?
banned#2
andyhunter
what do you use a computer for, it will help to see what route pc or mac?


I can go either way, I've used both extensively professionally and personally. I just wondered what sort of PC I could get that fit my criteria in the OP.
#3
Interested also in this.

And MC, there's an official thread you know...... :D
banned#4
sancho1983
Interested also in this.

And MC, there's an official thread you know...... :D


There is? I lose track of all the official threads.
1 Like #5
Mini-ITX H55 looks very good, nice and compact, should be quiet and could potentially be extremely powerful with the right setup.

Good article/review here.

Edited By: PhearFactor on Oct 14, 2010 22:10: .
#6
pc is what you require, mac only useful for media type of people as good for the likes of photoshopping/advertising etc..more flexibility with software/games/hardware on a pc. mac is over priced as your paying for a fancy case and spec is alrght wouldnt be jumping with joy. if you dont set urself a budget then its quite hard to work out what you can get for your money. dont buy a ssd, unless you gettin the latest version on a expensive computer then your wasting your time as your computer will not utilize it to the max. the life exp of the latest ssds last 7-16tb read/write before the hard drive dies which when worked out with how many spins before a standard hard drive dies is far shorter.




Edited By: andyhunter on Oct 14, 2010 22:17: ;P
banned#7
PhearFactor
Mini-ITX H55 looks very good, nice and compact, should be quiet and could potentially be extremely powerful with the right setup.

Good articles here.


Could be just the ticket, it's ugly as though. Would have to be tucked out of view which I guess isn't a problem.

I'll have a good read through tomorrow cheers, is there anything in the article about silent cooling? I really can't stress the importance of silence.
banned#8
andyhunter
pc is what you require, mac only useful for media type of people as good for the likes of photoshopping/advertising etc..more flexibility with software/games/hardware on a pc. mac is over priced as your paying for a fancy case and spec is alrght wouldnt be jumping with joy. if you dont set urself a budget then its quite hard to work out what you can get for your money


I would much rather use a Mac over a PC any day of the week. I cry everytime I boot my PC up at work now I don't work as a Mac systems admin, I miss my MacBook Pro and MacPro and Xserves every day.

Saying that the iMac is nearly £1500 and I'm thinking I could shave nearly two thirds perhaps and get something like I mentioned. If that's the case then my love for Macs goes out the window...
#9
Fans should run at around 700rpm, so from a foot away they are totally inaudible. The only fan in the system would probably be the one cooling the processor, the motherboard and so on will be using passive cooling. You could look into passive cooling for the processor, although it might take some digging.

There should be plenty of Mini-ITX cases available if you don't like that one, although as you said, tuck it out of the way and have a remote/IR and you won't even need to see it/get to it. A HTPC might be better for you if you do want to display it. There is some very good looking HTPC cases on the market. You could build around MATX then which may be cheaper and easier to work with than ITX. Although, obviously, potentially much larger.

http://htpc-system.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/X15E-HTPC-B.jpg

Edited By: PhearFactor on Oct 14, 2010 22:24: .
#10
lol a mac is a pile of fancy rubbish :D. i love every time my pc or laptop boots, its desktop in a flash, will be even quicker when rom chip removed from motherboards for a different boot up = faster booting times ;P drool. i worked on macs inside/outside and i hated them. if you were going spend round 1500 build a custom pc works out far cheaper :D and over clock it :P.
banned#11
PhearFactor
Fans should run at around 700rpm, so from a foot away they are totally inaudible. The only fan in the system would probably be the one cooling the processor, the motherboard and so on will be using passive cooling. You could look into passive cooling for the processor, although it might take some digging.

There should be plenty of Mini-ITX cases available if you don't like that one, although as you said, tuck it out of the way and have a remote/IR and you won't even need to see it/get to it. A HTPC might be better for you if you do want to display it. There is some very good looking HTPC cases on the market. You could build around MATX then which may be cheaper and easier to work with than ITX. Although, obviously, potentially much larger.



This won't be used as a HTPC, I already have an Asrock 330HT with XBMC for that though it as noisy as hell so I've bought a new PS3 slim in the hope XBMC gets released to replace the HTPC. This one I'm after is for the new library study area that I've put up in the living room so I want to maintain the quest for a quiet living room.
#12
quiet pc = custom pc :P
#13
I understand what your saying MC, just pointing out if you want a good looking case a HTPC case would be the way go to go. I am going to assume most PC cases of this size are either going to be used for HTPCs or Lan Gaming.

I don't have a briefcase when I go to work, I have this:
http://www.pureoverclock.com/images/review/cases/nzxt_vulcan/nzxt_vulcan_forums.jpg

lol X)
banned#14
andyhunter
lol a mac is a pile of fancy rubbish :D. i love every time my pc or laptop boots, its desktop in a flash, will be even quicker when rom chip removed from motherboards for a different boot up = faster booting times ;P drool. i worked on macs inside/outside and i hated them. if you were going spend round 1500 build a custom pc works out far cheaper :D and over clock it :P.


You really hated them? From a user support point of view they were always far less maintenance than say Dell equivalents running XP. I reckon the support calls for all the Macs was a good third of an equivalent business with Windows machines. Seriously from an IT support point of view Macs are a dream, I looked after about 300 client Macs. Bearing in mind I started working with them from Tiger through to Snow Leopard so can't comment on the older OSes (os9 was horrendous though, we had a couple of legacy Macs with that on - urgh).

From a server point of view they are as simple or as complicated as you want to make them. Extremely powerful with Unix at its core. Apple mail with Dovecot is endlessly scalable and practically free in comparison to say Exchange and a million times easier to administer.

What capacity did you work with Macs?
banned#15
PhearFactor
I understand what your saying MC, just pointing out if you want a good looking case a HTPC case would be the way go to go. I am going to assume most PC cases of this size are either going to be used for HTPCs or Lan Gaming.

I don't have a briefcase when I go to work, I have this:

lol X)


My eyes!!!

SO having a quick look using that first case and the mobo it recommends, i5 cpu, few gig of ram and SSD takes cost to about £500, add graphics for another £100 and a monitor for £200 and I'm looking at about £800 for total package mildly comparable to the iMac.
#16
Asrock 330HT


I just looked at some pics, NB fan, looks small, I bet that is the noise culprit. Try to get passive cooled motherboards, otherwise you will end up with small whiny fans. Also Asrock is crap, don't hate on HTPCs based on an Asrock product :3
#17
master_chief
£800 for total package mildly comparable to the iMac


A fair chunk cheaper, I would spend a little more on the monitor and get an IPS panel personally.

SSD I haven't much clue about, all I know is get something with TRIM lol. Memory, get whatever is compatible with the board, should be listed on manufacturers website. Processor, whatever you need. You will need something to cool it too, like I said, do a bit of digging and have a look into the Sugo and passively cooled CPU heatsinks.
banned#18
PhearFactor
Asrock 330HT


I just looked at some pics, NB fan, looks small, I bet that is the noise culprit. Try to get passive cooled motherboards, otherwise you will end up with small whiny fans. Also Asrock is crap, don't hate on HTPCs based on an Asrock product :3


Yeah by all accounts it's the mobo/cpu fan that is causing the noise, seen a few mods to change it but I'm aiming for a refund if I can replace it with the PS3 before warranty expires.

I love HTPCs and their flexibility and I know you can make them silent but there isn't really a single HTPC set up that could compare with the PS3 for power and the new 320gb are extremely quiet.
1 Like #19
£800 seems expensive for porn and redtube use MC

:p
banned#20
numptyj
£800 seems expensive for porn and redtube use MC

:p


Ha ha I have the laptop for that. This will be the "family" PC.
#21
master_chief
numptyj
£800 seems expensive for porn and redtube use MC

:p


Ha ha I have the laptop for that. This will be the "family" PC.


ahh I like your style.

Just like the guy who uses private browsing on the windows 7 advert for his wifes birthday present...yeah right :p
banned#22
numptyj
master_chief
numptyj
£800 seems expensive for porn and redtube use MC

:p


Ha ha I have the laptop for that. This will be the "family" PC.


ahh I like your style.

Just like the guy who uses private browsing on the windows 7 advert for his wifes birthday present...yeah right :p


Yeah incognito browsing is the way ;)
#23
I like the look of that mobo posted earlier, and the case (or the sg05) thinking of pairing it with an i3, 4gb of RAM and possibly a small ssd (to run the OS) how would that stack up as a general use pc with light PhotoShop use - no gaming so think onboard would be adequate?

Sorry to hijack thread MC
banned#24
sancho1983
I like the look of that mobo posted earlier, and the case (or the sg05) thinking of pairing it with an i3, 4gb of RAM and possibly a small ssd (to run the OS) how would that stack up as a general use pc with light PhotoShop use - no gaming so think onboard would be adequate?

Sorry to hijack thread MC


Don't worry was looking at the Sg05 just then too.
1 Like #25
had a look here and here?
#26
master_chief
sancho1983
I like the look of that mobo posted earlier, and the case (or the sg05) thinking of pairing it with an i3, 4gb of RAM and possibly a small ssd (to run the OS) how would that stack up as a general use pc with light PhotoShop use - no gaming so think onboard would be adequate?Sorry to hijack thread MC
Don't worry was looking at the Sg05 just then too.

The sg05 looks nicer I think, plus it's not ridiculously expensive. Although it only has a 300w PSU
banned#27
sancho1983
master_chief
sancho1983
I like the look of that mobo posted earlier, and the case (or the sg05) thinking of pairing it with an i3, 4gb of RAM and possibly a small ssd (to run the OS) how would that stack up as a general use pc with light PhotoShop use - no gaming so think onboard would be adequate?Sorry to hijack thread MC
Don't worry was looking at the Sg05 just then too.
The sg05 looks nicer I think, plus it's not ridiculously expensive. Although it only has a 300w PSU

I would imagine 300w would be adequate so long as you're not sticking a power sapping graphic card inside.

Photoshop runs fine on my old C2D machine so an i3 should be fine for it. Think I'll stretch to an i5 myself though.
#28
Yeah, I thought about it but not sure I can justify the extra £60
banned#29
sancho1983
Yeah, I thought about it but not sure I can justify the extra £60

Saying that isn't there a very overclockable i3 which offers most bang for buck?
#30
master_chief

Saying that isn't there a very overclockable i3 which offers most bang for buck?


I did read that. I know very little about over clocking, might read up on it. Would be worried in that small an area about heating. Silence isn't as important for me though

Edited By: sancho1983 on Oct 15, 2010 12:06: asd
banned#31
I'm contemplating a tower now and sticking it in the garage with the server and just running the HDMI cable up through the floor so size and noise not an issue.

Considering the i3 combo board - Overclocked i3
A GTX 460
Cheap case and psu
Corsair Force 40gb SSD drive

Anyone think I could do better than this, total price is about £500.

Also anyone use a wireless keyboard and mouse through walls from receiver? Or shall I just run a usb hub with the HDMI cable up the floor?
banned#32
So is the above the best I'm going to get that kind of money?
#33
master_chief
So is the above the best I'm going to get that kind of money?


Also I'd recommend a AMD CPU rather than a Intel, they are cheaper and for about £100 you can get a quad core with plenty of overclocking ability. For price/performance ratio AMD are very good - for desktops (in laptops get Intel).

Also I recommend you wait a little while - the price of RAM should be coming down,

AMD phenom II quad core, plus Arctic freezer pro, and a mobo for about £50 for around £160/£170. And ram for about £65, so in total around £220/£230 or so, but you get a quad core:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Shop/Computer-Hardware/All/CPUs-AMD/All

Also don't get an Asrock motherboard they are crap - gigabyte are rock solid motherboards. Also overclocking this CPU is very easy plus clock speed makes a bigger difference in AMD than Intel, also get a decent quality PSU. You don't need to spend £150 on a GPU if you don't play games, most GPU's have plenty of grunt for HD video - plus in 6 months time this GPU will be about half price!


Edited By: rash on Oct 19, 2010 09:57: psu
banned#34
I can't wait unfortunately, need it by end of week so will have to pay more for RAM.

I'll have a look at the AMD line up then. I'm not fixed on one manufacturer or the other, used to be an AMD man a few years back then went Intel with the C2D chips.

Which is the phenom to get then?
#35
master_chief
I can't wait unfortunately, need it by end of week so will have to pay more for RAM.

I'll have a look at the AMD line up then. I'm not fixed on one manufacturer or the other, used to be an AMD man a few years back then went Intel with the C2D chips.

Which is the phenom to get then?


Whatever your budget can afford really, but at least £105 for a quad core Phenom II personally I'd get the 965 for an extra £20.

Price up all the components first and leave £105 for CPU, if you have any spare budget for lower latency RAM or better CPU.
banned#36
rash
master_chief
I can't wait unfortunately, need it by end of week so will have to pay more for RAM. I'll have a look at the AMD line up then. I'm not fixed on one manufacturer or the other, used to be an AMD man a few years back then went Intel with the C2D chips.Which is the phenom to get then?
Whatever your budget can afford really, but at least £105 for a quad core Phenom II personally I'd get the 965 for an extra £20. Price up all the components first and leave £105 for CPU, if you have any spare budget for lower latency RAM or better CPU.

My budget is unlimted really (considered an iMac remember), I'd just prefer to keep costs down to a minimum. I'm a big believer in spending a little more to get siginifcant gains if that's the case.
#37
Any amd mini itx motherboards worth looking at? I quite like the small form factor
#38
sancho1983
Any amd mini itx motherboards worth looking at? I quite like the small form factor


Not sure - I'm not really fond of the small form factor, personally if I was buying I'd go for a water cooled solution, and overclock it alot and probably look so spend around £500 not including HD, Screen, kb/mouse.
#39
master_chief
rash
master_chief
I can't wait unfortunately, need it by end of week so will have to pay more for RAM. I'll have a look at the AMD line up then. I'm not fixed on one manufacturer or the other, used to be an AMD man a few years back then went Intel with the C2D chips.Which is the phenom to get then?
Whatever your budget can afford really, but at least £105 for a quad core Phenom II personally I'd get the 965 for an extra £20. Price up all the components first and leave £105 for CPU, if you have any spare budget for lower latency RAM or better CPU.


My budget is unlimted really (considered an iMac remember), I'd just prefer to keep costs down to a minimum. I'm a big believer in spending a little more to get siginifcant gains if that's the case.


Well what exactly will this PC be doing? What do you want to use it for?
banned#40
rash
master_chief
rash
master_chief
I can't wait unfortunately, need it by end of week so will have to pay more for RAM. I'll have a look at the AMD line up then. I'm not fixed on one manufacturer or the other, used to be an AMD man a few years back then went Intel with the C2D chips.Which is the phenom to get then?
Whatever your budget can afford really, but at least £105 for a quad core Phenom II personally I'd get the 965 for an extra £20. Price up all the components first and leave £105 for CPU, if you have any spare budget for lower latency RAM or better CPU.
My budget is unlimted really (considered an iMac remember), I'd just prefer to keep costs down to a minimum. I'm a big believer in spending a little more to get siginifcant gains if that's the case.
Well what exactly will this PC be doing? What do you want to use it for?

Bit of everything really. Browsing, photo editing, video editing, gaming etc.

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