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Spotted the link to this on the BBC website following the publishing of speed camera revenues - guess what - North Wales collects the most in fines - An average of £5.82 per RESIDENT!!! There's a …
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9y, 8m agoPosted 9 years, 8 months ago
Spotted the link to this on the BBC website following the publishing of speed camera revenues - guess what - North Wales collects the most in fines - An average of £5.82 per RESIDENT!!!

There's a petition on the Prime Minister's website (like the road pricing one) but today (Tuesday 26th June) is the last day to sign it.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/scrapcam/http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/scrapcam/
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9y, 8m agoPosted 9 years, 8 months ago
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#1
Its pointless!

They make the most revenue from cameras, They aren't going to take them down due to a petition!
#2
Whether you believe it will accomplish anything or not, surely doing something will have more of a result than doing nothing at all?
#3
Simple answer is don't speed.
#4
jayhab
Spotted the link to this on the BBC website following the publishing of speed camera revenues - guess what - North Wales collects the most in fines - An average of £5.82 per RESIDENT!!!

There's a petition on the Prime Minister's website (like the road pricing one) but today (Tuesday 26th June) is the last day to sign it.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/scrapcam/



Well the way I see it is: if people don't want the fine then don't speed. In my eyes - if it stops people speeding - its a good thing. Don't speed - you wont have any problem will you.
#5
stora
Simple answer is don't speed.


I have to agree.
#6
Well, that is certainly the mainstream way of looking at it, however, having previously had a speeding fine (nearly 5 years ago now) although I don't speed now, I spend more time looking at the speedometer and looking out for camera vans when I should be concentrating on the road.
Given the fondness for putting a camera wherever they can, in places where there have not been any accidents or the risk of any, they are mainly there for revenue generation.
Speed cameras on motorways during roadworks - fine. Cameras in front of schools / playareas - fine. However, putting cameras on open stretches of motorway or any road where there is no real need is wrong.
#7
When drivers passed there tests - they had to stick to speed limits otherwise they would fail. Im guessing this all goes out the window when the pass - forget what you have learnt and just put your foot down.

You dont get taught how to speed - you get taught how to drive and stick to the speed limit. I firmly believe if your speeding you run the risk of hurting yourself or someone else. Is it really worth the risk?
#8
As I said previously though, I don't speed, but I disagree with the use of speed cameras as revenue generators.

Becksdawe - I take it you have never ever exceeded the speed limit, or been carried in a vehicle that has exceeded the speed limit.
#9
jayhab
As I said previously though, I don't speed, but I disagree with the use of speed cameras as revenue generators.

Becksdawe - I take it you have never ever exceeded the speed limit, or been carried in a vehicle that has exceeded the speed limit.



Yes I've been with people who have exceeded the speed limit. I am always careful to remind who I'm driving with to slow down if they are close to exceeding it. They respect how much I can't stand people driving over the speed limit. I would rather walk they be in the same car as someone who speeds.

Oh and jayhab - I wasnt trying to imply you still speed or ever did. :friends:
#10
Good - so we're all friends again!

now please, go and sign the petition!!!!! :-)
#11
jayhab
Good - so we're all friends again!

now please, go and sign the petition!!!!! :-)


Nope - cos I stand by what I say :) They are there for a purpose. Sorry huni but thats my decision :friends:
#12
....... I was joking.......
#13
Re : Speeding, Its very easy to do, Just that slight change (Road, Acceleration etc) and your slightly over the limit by a couple of MPH and then you've got a ticket.

Cameras don't work as a "road safety measure" though as people just do 60mph past the camera and then speed upto 80-90mph to prepare for the time loss on the next camera.
#14
I couldn't have put it better myself!

Hence my now over-cautious driving style - staring at the speedometer and looking out for cameras instead of concentrating on the road!!!

It's also lazy Policing, helps keep the crime figures up with relatively no actual police work!
Tha way they can keep asking for more cash in the Council tax rises, without having to deliver anything.

Speed cameras don't solve crimes, they just make criminals out of road users.

To quote Jeremy Clarkson: The Yorkshire Ripper wasn't caught by a speed camera, he was caught by a policeman walking the beat! (or something close to that!)
banned#15
For those that dont approve of speed cameras ide like to hear their ideas for a better system as "dont speed" obviously doesn't work
#16
Hmm.... I wonder what they used to do before there were speed cameras?

Real Police, policing the roads?
banned#17
jayhab
Hmm.... I wonder what they used to do before there were speed cameras?

Ide far rather see the police force out protecting people, fighting serious crimes than have them sitting in a car all day waiting for the drivers that think its ok to speed
#18
I'd like to see the police force. Hardly ever see a Police bod actually patrolling anymore.

But again, we return to the point about cameras in places where they are not needed being the problem, cameras in accident hot spots and at roadworks or in town centres - fine. BUt there is only 1 reason for putting cameras on open stretches of motorways etc etc, and that's to collect revenue, which I believe is returned to the local police force, to spend on ...... more cameras!

It would be interesting to see how many people who agree with cameras are actually drivers, and how many of them have been caught!!!
#19
sassie
For those that dont approve of speed cameras ide like to hear their ideas for a better system as "dont speed" obviously doesn't work


Thats a good question, To be honest, I don't really know.

As it stands speed cameras don't work at the moment, Niether will real policing, (they'd never be enough money for police patrols 24/7.)

Its the way the speed cameras are set though, If they were set to go off at 76mph for example, Then I think thats ok, Some of these are set dead on 70mph so there is no speedo allowance etc at all.
banned#20
I do agree with cameras and I am not a driver, i also agree with prosecuting criminals and I am not one of them either, shall i go on?
#21
Iom-RF
(they'd never be enough money for police patrols 24/7.)


GOOD!


(hahaha - That should start them off again!):giggle:
#22
sassie
I do agree with cameras and I am not a driver, i also agree with prosecuting criminals and I am not one of them either, shall i go on?


So you've never ever broken a single law?

Partaken in a lock-in
Underage drinking/smoking
Scrumping for apples
Being drunk in a public place

..shall I go on?

:giggle:
#23
Ok - say someone you were close to died as a result of someone speeding 2 or 3 mph over the speed limit, they lose control of the car for whatever reason and thats it.

You would be the first person to kick off that the driver was speeding. Speed camera's are a necessaity - be them where ever they are!
banned#24
jayhab
So you've never ever broken a single law?

Partaken in a lock-in
Underage drinking/smoking
Scrumping for apples
Being drunk in a public place

..shall I go on?

:giggle:

So if i have done the above i can start a petition to allow everyone else to do it, sightly confused:whistling:
#25
Becksdawe
Ok - say someone you were close to died as a result of someone speeding 2 or 3 mph over the speed limit, they lose control of the car for whatever reason and thats it.


Are we talking from experience there Becks? (I don't want to make any treading on eggshell comments).
#26
Iom-RF
Are we talking from experience there Becks? (I don't want to make any treading on eggshell comments).



Experience in the fact that someone i was close to died due to an idiotic driver yes
#27
Becksdawe
Experience in the fact that someone i was close to died due to an idiotic driver yes


Oh................There isn't much I can say but Sorry for your loss....:-(

I think after hearing, Seeing or reading a crash it really makes you think twice about everything you do.

Its dabatable whether those extra 2-3mph make any difference (Like some peoples reactions are quicker than others which would out way the MPH difference), But its a very valid point.
#28
jayhab
I'd like to see the police force. Hardly ever see a Police bod actually patrolling anymore.

But again, we return to the point about cameras in places where they are not needed being the problem, cameras in accident hot spots and at roadworks or in town centres - fine. BUt there is only 1 reason for putting cameras on open stretches of motorways etc etc, and that's to collect revenue, which I believe is returned to the local police force, to spend on ...... more cameras!

It would be interesting to see how many people who agree with cameras are actually drivers, and how many of them have been caught!!!



I used to do about 40,000 miles a year, mostly in North Wales.

For 2 years I was driving around with 9 points on my license because of speeding. One time I got 2 fines in the same week.

Yes I agree with speed cameras. If I hadn't been speeding I would not have the points.
#29
I'm sorry but speed cameras are just plain dangerous, as soon as anyone spots one where do your eyes go? Straight to the speedometer, your eyes should be on the road at all times not worrying whether or not you're doing 29/30 or 31mph. People who drive recklessly and endanger lives should be locked away and have their licence revoked permanently, there can be no doubt about that. But speed cameras don't catch those people do they, they don't reduce accidents they just mask some problems and move others elsewhere. We should be investing in better training for drivers (imho this should be started in schools), have more difficult and comprehensive tests, perhaps even re-testing every 10 years or so to maintain driving standards not just resort to blinding drivers with flash bulbs, small fines and a few points.
#30
sassie
So if i have done the above i can start a petition to allow everyone else to do it, sightly confused:whistling:

If you want to start a petition that's fine, however, I was just validating your point about those that break the law needing to be prosecuted.
#31
megalomaniac
I'm sorry but speed cameras are just plain dangerous, as soon as anyone spots one where do your eyes go? Straight to the speedometer, your eyes should be on the road at all times not worrying whether or not you're doing 29/30 or 31mph. People who drive recklessly and endanger lives should be locked away and have their licence revoked permanently, there can be no doubt about that. But speed cameras don't catch those people do they, they don't reduce accidents they just mask some problems and move others elsewhere. We should be investing in better training for drivers (imho this should be started in schools), have more difficult and comprehensive tests, perhaps even re-testing every 10 years or so to maintain driving standards not just resort to blinding drivers with flash bulbs, small fines and a few points.


Again, I couldn't agree more.

Speed Cameras do not catch dangerous drivers, they catch drivers who happen to be speeding in that particular area at that particular time - again I return to my point regarding the positioning of cameras - dangerous and accident black spots - yes, for the sake of it - no
#32
There are a few police speed trap areas near where I live, one takes advantage of a 60mph to 30mph drop in speed. They catch you after the 30mph signs (obviously) but you are still on the dual carriageway and quite a distance from the houses. Most people have slowed down considerably by the time they get to the trap but not enough.

The other is a dual carriageway that they park one of the camera vans on during Sunday lunchtime. No houses and no pedestrians, just plenty of revenue raising cars.

Obviously the answer is not to speed but that is a lazy arguement from lazy people who refuse to accept that cameras are revenue raisers. Put them outside schools if they are really supposed to save lives, they never appear near accident black spots, only where the authorities think they will raise cash.

You know those rubber wires you often see across the road connected to a grey box padlocked to a streetlight, well there are usually two of them and they are a feasibility study to check how much they would raise from having a camera there.
#33
Becksdawe
Speed camera's are a necessaity - be them where ever they are!


Trouble is, they're being used for revenue generation, over road safety.
#34
I take it davelfc has signed up then!

Again the siting of cameras.... there's one by us...outside of a garden centre.
There's another that goes against the regs for the siting of a camera (must be on a straight road and in clear view) It's just after a bend in the road and hidden by a bridge- often causes people to slam-on at the last moment! Other than there being a bridge over the road, it's a clear stretch of road with no schools, houses or previous accidents.

On the other hand there is a crossroads a half mile from our house on a main thoroughfare that has claimed 4 lives in the last 6 years and has been classed as the most dangerous stretch of road in Flintshire, yet, no speed camera!
#35
jayhab
Again the siting of cameras.... !


Meant to say I've signed too and since I've delurked :) Also meant to add ...

To all those who say that speed cameras are a necessity - then why aren't stiffer penalty points applied instead of just points/fine ? Think about it, you'd have instant ban/prosecution at the higher end, going down to points at the lower. Two convictions at the lower end, lose licence.

Debate whether that's right or wrong, but the point is - that'd be a better incentive than a fine. Trouble is, you don't generate a cash inflow doing that.
#36
john-boy
To all those who say that speed cameras are a necessity - then why aren't stiffer penalty points applied instead of just points/fine ? Think about it, you'd have instant ban/prosecution at the higher end, going down to points at the lower. Two convictions at the lower end, lose licence.




We know why they won't, they don't want you to stop speeding. Most insurance companies ignore two speeding convictions these days as they become an acceptable consequence of driving.

Oh, and those that say they never speed are lying or are aged 70, wear a cap and have big ears and drive in front of me all of the time.
banned#37
jayhab
If you want to start a petition that's fine, however, I was just validating your point about those that break the law needing to be prosecuted.

When i was a young wee "stoopid" girl i did break the law on numerous occasions and also took my punishment for these. If people dont want points on their license then dont speed, for gawds sake what will it take for people to stop speeding, innocent people are killed by speeding drivers and yet we still have people who are willing to justify their actions, if its only 1,2,3 mph over the limit, how many over the limit should it be? 4,5,6? 7,8,9? we have to draw the line, and whatever line that is their are people who will cross it
#38
sassie
When i was a young wee "stoopid" girl i did break the law on numerous occasions and also took my punishment for these. If people dont want points on their license then dont speed, for gawds sake what will it take for people to stop speeding, innocent people are killed by speeding drivers and yet we still have people who are willing to justify their actions, if its only 1,2,3 mph over the limit, how many over the limit should it be? 4,5,6? 7,8,9? we have to draw the line, and whatever line that is their are people who will cross it


How good you must be, you NEVER speed. You've also fallen for the 'speeding drivers kill people' line that is fed out.

Next time you pass a camera, (you won't notice them usually as you NEVER speed) really take a look and imagine how an extra 10mph would impact on the road. There are very few areas where cameras are sited in the area I live where an extra 10mph would impact. Then think how slowing down cars for 100 metres actually helps? People slow down for a camera and then speed up again afterwards.
banned#39
davelfc
How good you must be, you NEVER speed. You've also fallen for the 'speeding drivers kill people' line that is fed out.

Next time you pass a camera, (you won't notice them usually as you NEVER speed) really take a look and imagine how an extra 10mph would impact on the road. There are very few areas where cameras are sited in this area where an extra 10mph would impact. Then think how slowing down cars for 100 metres actually helps? People slow down for a camera and then speed up again afterwards.

I find it incredibly hard to keep to the speed limit as a non driver but never mind :whistling: And as for the rest of your post, i will leave it at that, although credit where its due i may not have responded to the rest of your posts but at least i read them :-D
#40
sassie
I find it incredibly hard to keep to the speed limit as a non driver but never mind :whistling: And as for the rest of your post, i will leave it at that, although credit where its due i may not have responded to the rest of your posts but at least i read them :-D


Then your opinion means nothing to me, get a licence and have a valid opinion. I've not read all of the posts in this thread so was not aware that you did not drive. I usually do not listen to people that have not got a licence as they usually do not have a drivers perspective and as I stated a valid opinion, so nothing personal.

Oh and thanks for reading all of my post

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