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Just wondering if i was to offer some in the FS/FT Forum if there would be any interest. They are nothing too fancy really. A few was bought in USA by myself when i was there. If there is any inte… Read More
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9y, 3m agoPosted 9 years, 3 months ago
Just wondering if i was to offer some in the FS/FT Forum if there would be any interest. They are nothing too fancy really. A few was bought in USA by myself when i was there.

If there is any interest then i will put them over on the FS-FT side
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#1
Don't take this the wrong way and it's not meant to be personal but how are you going to physically ensure these items are NOT sold to anyone underage ?

Thanks )
#2
Id be interested, depending on what it is etc...I assume you are moving this ahead of April 6th?

Rgds
#3
NEW LAWS - From April 6th 2008, ALL Curved Edge Swords with blades over 50cm in lengh will be illegal to buy or sell. Ownership will still remain legal .
#4
hottoshop
Don't take this the wrong way and it's not meant to be personal but how are you going to physically ensure these items are NOT sold to anyone underage ?

Thanks )


I am a member of several knife/sword discussion forums, the legal responsibility of a seller is to make best endevours to ensure the buyer is over 18 (used to be 16). If the seller states that by buying the item the purchaser is excepting the terms of sale, one of those being they must be over 18 then the seller is pretty much covrered.

To further safe guard the sale Id insist on Paypal only payment as im not sure of you can have a PP account under 18, but it also gives you payment protection etc on the transaction.

Rgds
#5
hottoshop
NEW LAWS - From April 6th 2008, ALL Curved Edge Swords with blades over 50cm in lengh will be illegal to buy or sell. Ownership will still remain legal .


Sorry, thats not actually the proposed law. The law is proposed (not yet fully ratified) to make the sale of cheap junk illegal for 'wall hangers' If you are a registered Martil Artist or a participant in a sport that involves blades, or re-enactment you can still buy a curved blade of 50cm or more from within the UK. There are also clauses for antique items, those made in Japan before 1954, or any new item made in Japan.

Rgds
#6
Yarrow
Sorry, thats not actually the proposed law. The law is proposed (not yet fully ratified) to make the sale of cheap junk illegal for 'wall hangers' If you are a registered Martil Artist or a participant in a sport that involves blades, or re-enactment you can still buy a curved blade of 50cm or more from within the UK. There are also clauses for antique items, those made in Japan before 1954, or any new item made in Japan.

Rgds


Apologies, that came from a UK Sword And Knife Retailer http://swordmart.co.uk/home.php

I assumed they would know what they were writing about especially as it comes into force in the next 2 weeks.

Would you be kind enough to point me in the direction of the correct (proposed) legislation then as I could not find it.

Regards :)
#7
Two secs, will post the OPSI link

Rgds
#8
I'm not really sure that this is the place to be selling weapons........just my personal opinion.

A more specialised arena is probably a better bet,not that I can suggest any!
#9
muckypup
I'm not really sure that this is the place to be selling weapons........just my personal opinion.

A more specialised arena is probably a better bet,not that I can suggest any!


Totally agree ! It would horrify me with the upsurge in knife crime etc. Again my personal opinion.

Hopefully Admin/Mods will provide a quick ruling to prevent arguments and abuse. :)
#10
Was in my favourites all along - DOH!

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/draft/ukdsi_9780110810324_en_1

Its basically an amendment to the Offensive Weapons Section of the Criminal Justice Act 1988. A complete waste of time in my opinion! There have been less than 10 deaths cauised by a Katana in the last 5 years...you will probably find more fatalities caused by a screwdriver in the last 12 months. Its knee jerk vote grabbing toss, and the bloomin fool who penned it hasnt even had the deceny to reply to my letter pointing out his vacuous idiocy in creating it!

If you have any questions about please let me know and I will grab any info I can for you.

Rgds
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muckypup

A more specialised arena is probably a better bet,not that I can suggest any!


[SIZE="5"]And we [FONT="Impact"]know[/FONT] you & [FONT="Palatino Linotype"]"specialist"[/FONT] arenas 'pup!!?![/SIZE]

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6515/bloodrayne01fr8.jpg
#12
muckypup
I'm not really sure that this is the place to be selling weapons........just my personal opinion.

A more specialised arena is probably a better bet,not that I can suggest any!


They arent weapons (yet), the sword is an edged tool used for cutting, it is only a weapon when its used to attack someone. I won in excess of a dozen knives that are not for use in the kitchen, ive never attackjeed anyone woith one, they are a tool and not a weapon. The funny thing is that if this stupid amendment comes in they will become legally classed as a weapon, but still buyable if from certain places or by certain people :thinking:

Rgds
#13
from what the law says, a 49.9cm blade is perfectly safe ?
#14
Bother, have lost my previous post, here is the link to the Gov site with the proposed wording;

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/draft/ukdsi_9780110810324_en_1

Rgds
#15
ctuk
from what the law says, a 49.9cm blade is perfectly safe ?


Yep, and its measured in a straight line from the top of the handle to the tip of the blade, so the cutting edge can be in excess of 60cm if the belly of the blade has enough curve.

It also banns scythes, large edging hooks, bolos, machettes and several other gardening tools :x

Rgds
#16
Blimey C32's turned up ! Either a really important subject or, as I actually suspect the
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#17
As we get older,I find my 'clients' prefer these to keep them in line!:oops:





http://www.fabu-licious.com/images/lightpinkduster-300.jpg

;-)
#18
hottoshop
NEW LAWS - From April 6th 2008, ALL Curved Edge Swords with blades over 50cm in lengh will be illegal to buy or sell. Ownership will still remain legal .


I better stock up quick then...

Yet another irritation from the government. How many muggers has anybody on here seen wandering around looking for prey armed with a sword? You can't seem to buy anything these days. I wanted an air rifle for ratting and guess what... Yep, can only buy it if I visit a shop and get ripped by their inflated prices (as well as wasting petrol to drive half way across the damn country). No mail order:x This country's a joke. What's next, cars?
#19
Yarrow
It also banns scythes, large edging hooks, bolos, machettes and several other gardening tools :x


WHAT! Is that true?
#20
muckypup
As we get older,I find my 'clients' prefer these to keep them in line!:oops:
http://www.fabu-licious.com/images/lightpinkduster-300.jpg


What a grisly thought....'pup & Ken Dodd!!?!?


(PS - Well known FACT that 'pup's irrestible)
#21
Shengis
WHAT! Is that true?


Yep scythes...the weapon of choice for street robbers throughout Somerset.....
#22
Shengis
I better stock up quick then...

Yet another irritation from the government. How many muggers has anybody on here seen wandering around looking for prey armed with a sword? You can't seem to buy anything these days. I wanted an air rifle for ratting and guess what... Yep, can only buy it if I visit a shop and get ripped by their inflated prices (as well as wasting petrol to drive half way across the damn country). No mail order:x This country's a joke. What's next, cars?


It's the same old story though Shengis, the majority pay for the ills of the minority.

I haven't got a problem with anyone actually owning a knife or a sword providing they are a responsible, sane member of society.
I do have a problem with them being sold without proper means of verification.

When I was 14-16 I actually used to have a sheaf knife attached to my belt and wore it constantly, apart from school.
Times change :x
#23
Shengis
WHAT! Is that true?


The wording says any curved blade over 50cms long...so think of what is big enough to be included and that will be covered. Cavalry Sabres are also covered, bthankfully someone remembered an armed forces loop hoole or the household cavalry would be lighter on parade ;-)

Rgds
#24
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO
Yep scythes...the weapon of choice for street robbers throughout Somerset.....


Oh well I suppose they'll have to fall back on the old chainsaw. The weapon the new generation was weaned on :lol:
#25
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO
Yep scythes...the weapon of choice for street robbers throughout Somerset.....


Shaprened on the rays of the sun :whistling:

Rgds
#26
Yarrow
The wording says any curved blade over 50cms long...so think of what is big enough to be included and that will be covered.


Anyone wanna buy a combine harvester??!?
#27
In the interests of fairness:
The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons)(Amendment) Order 2008
Made
2008
Coming into force
6th April 2008

The Secretary of State makes the following Order in exercise of the powers conferred by section 141(2) and (11D) of the Criminal Justice Act 1988(1).

In accordance with section 141(11E) of that Act(2), a draft of this Order was laid before Parliament and approved by a resolution of each House of Parliament.

Citation, commencement and extent
1.—(1) This Order may be cited as the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) (Amendment) Order 2008 and shall come into force on 6th April 2008.

(2) This Order extends to England and Wales and Northern Ireland.

Amendment of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988
2.—(1) The Schedule to the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988(3) (which specifies offensive weapons for the purposes of section 141 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988) is amended as follows.

(2) In paragraph 1, after sub-paragraph (q) insert—

“(r) a sword with a curved blade of 50 centimetres or over in length; and for the purposes of this sub-paragraph, the length of the blade shall be the straight line distance from the top of the handle to the tip of the blade.”.
(3) After paragraph 2 insert—

“3. It shall be a defence for a person charged—

(a) with an offence under section 141(1) of the Criminal Justice Act 1988; or
(b) with an offence under section 50(2) or (3) of the Customs and Excise Management Act 1979(4),
in respect of any conduct of his relating to a weapon to which section 141 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 applies by virtue of paragraph 1(r) to show that the weapon in question was made in Japan before 1954 or was made in Japan at any other time according to traditional methods of forging swords.

4. It shall be a defence for a person charged—

(a) with an offence under section 141(1) of the Criminal Justice Act 1988; or
(b) with an offence under section 50(2) or (3) of the Customs and Excise Management Act 1979,
in respect of any conduct of his relating to a weapon to which section 141 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 applies by virtue of paragraph 1(r) to show that his conduct was for the purpose only of making the weapon available for the purposes of the organisation and holding of a permitted activity for which public liability insurance is held in relation to liabilities to third parties arising from or in connection with the organisation and holding of such an activity.

5. For the purposes of paragraph 4—

“historical re-enactment” means any presentation or other event held for the purpose of re-enacting an event from the past or of illustrating conduct from a particular time or period in the past;
“insurance” means a contract of insurance or other arrangement made for the purpose of indemnifying a person or persons named in the contract or under the arrangement;
“permitted activity” means an historical re-enactment or a sporting activity;
“sporting activity” means the practising of a sport which requires the use of a weapon described in paragraph 1(r);
“third parties” includes participants in, and spectators of, a permitted activity and members of the public.
6. For the purposes of paragraphs 3 and 4, a person shall be taken to have shown a matter specified in those paragraphs if—

(a) sufficient evidence of that matter is adduced to raise an issue with respect to it; and
(b) the contrary is not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.”.
Minister of State
Home Office
#28
hottoshop
It's the same old story though Shengis, the majority pay for the ills of the minority.

I haven't got a problem with anyone actually owning a knife or a sword providing they are a responsible, sane member of society.
I do have a problem with them being sold without proper means of verification.

When I was 14-16 I actually used to have a sheaf knife attached to my belt and wore it constantly, apart from school.
Times change :x


That's me and C32 on the chainsaws for sure then :lol:

When I was SEVEN we used to have knives. That is a bit excessive though I do admit. Scythes and brushing hooks though? That's not very green/protect the earth thinking is it, make everybody use power tools and waste resources when a bit of arm power would do the job nicely.

Edit by the way, what's that Japanese clause all about? I always thought they made some of the DEADLIEST swords around:?
#29
hottoshop
“historical re-enactment” means any presentation or other event held for the purpose of re-enacting an event from the past or of illustrating conduct from a particular time or period in the past;


I take it recreating scenes from "Highlander" doesn't count??!?

Shengis
That's me and C32 on the chainsaws for sure then :lol:

If you say "fully oiled & ready to go" I'll go into hiding again....



#30
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO
Anyone wanna buy a combine harvester??!?


me me me !!!
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f160/ordinaryphotos/WurzelsCombine.jpg
#31
Sorry, ive been moaning about this since it was proposed last year so Im used to just picking out the bad bits, plenty of them)

Rgds
#32
Shengis
That's me and C32 on the chainsaws for sure then :lol:

When I was SEVEN we used to have knives. That is a bit excessive though I do admit. Scythes and brushing hooks though? That's not very green/protect the earth thinking is it, make everybody use power tools and waste resources when a bit of arm power would do the job nicely.

Edit by the way, what's that Japanese clause all about? I always thought they made some of the DEADLIEST swords around:?


I never could tell you and C32 apart, remind me which one of you this is ?
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f160/ordinaryphotos/c32orshengis.jpg
#33
hottoshop
I never could tell you and C32 apart, remind me which one of you this is ?
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f160/ordinaryphotos/c32orshengis.jpg


That actually looks a bit like me oddly enough (too much hair though):lol:
#34
Yarrow
Sorry, ive been moaning about this since it was proposed last year so Im used to just picking out the bad bits, plenty of them)

Rgds


Yarrow
I think we all know the law can be an ass in these circumstances.
That wasn't the initial point.

Like I said it's the age verification thing that frightens me and I guess many other parents.

As for you and your hobbies, fine, just stay sane, pure and uncut :whistling: :p
#35
I didn't mean for this to turn into a huge discussion. Was just asking if there would be any interest. And paypal would be the only payment method and i could also ask for a photo copy of the persons id.
#36
As an aside to this, is it still legal to buy full size crossbows?
#37
should be....i've got a mini one but that would be too hard to package up and post so its not for sale
#38
Shengis
As an aside to this, is it still legal to buy full size crossbows?


Yes, you just cant hunt with them (odd bit of UK law).

Rgds
#39
Hi any of them being able to go in walls?
#40
What u mean ?

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