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any parents with yr 8 daughters - re HPV vaccination - yes or no?

holly100 Avatar
8y, 2m agoPosted 8 years, 2 months ago
im a mum to a 12 yr old - school now set dates for these
i did go to meeting last night and imo they didnt give me enough info on research etc -
its seems to me we have just accepted research from the good old usa - again
statistics were not impressive neither which has made my decision final

would appreciate other comments

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8y, 2m agoPosted 8 years, 2 months ago
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[helper]#1
Have a look at this - it might provide more info than that which you've already got.
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=2336
#3
I don't know a lot about this as my daughter is far too young yet... so this is total heresay, but ...

... my friend works at a doctors surgery and she said the practice nurses have been discussing this as their daughters are the right age & they are worried about a possible risk of miscarriage later on if they have this. They have apparently also said it has not been tested in this country and if they brought the age down on smear tests (think starts at 25?), they would also catch more cases.

Again this is total heresay, but might help you look in the right places for more info.
#4
Laffy42
I don't know a lot about this as my daughter is far too young yet... so this is total heresay, but ...

... my friend works at a doctors surgery and she said the practice nurses have been discussing this as their daughters are the right age & they are worried about a possible risk of miscarriage later on if they have this. They have apparently also said it has not been tested in this country and if they brought the age down on smear tests (think starts at 25?), they would also catch more cases.

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i was saying this at meeting - we had regional nurse and the stats she was coming out with - which i queried - didnt justify getting it - 70% cover - 1000 deaths a year age range unknown - could have been from 18 - 75 yrs

also what in 20 yrs time the say oops we made an error - (thalidomide comes to mind) it could mean a whole generation of women being left damaged

please dont take this as scaremongering - the research would have had to cross reference at least 700000 girls/women - impossible to do
#5
As far as I can see most of the anti-vaccination move originates from Catholic institutions and parents who feel that it gives a green light to promiscuity. I cannot see any evidence that the vaccination in itself is in any way harmful and I trust organisations like cancer research. I do not have daughters but hope for grand-daughters one day and would urge my sons, when they become parents, to give this very effective protection against cervical cancer to their daughters.
http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=5193
http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=16024#research

This comes from http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Aboutcancer/Causes/Viruses/HPVandcancer
Although it is known that the vaccines help to prevent HPV types 16 and 18, it is not known what the best age is to give the vaccines, or whether women will need a booster to keep them immune. As HPV is mainly spread by sexual contact, it is also not known if boys should also be vaccinated. The current vaccines are only helpful at preventing HPV infection. Other vaccines are being developed that can be given to women who already have HPV.

In my opinion it is best to take advantage of what is on offer now rather than wait for years whilst the vaccination programmes is fine-tuned.

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=2336
[helper]#6
The NHS would not be shelling out money on a vaccine if it not did not save lives or money. If cervical cancer is not a serious issue, why bother with smear tests?

Sooner or later (hopefully later) your daughter will have sex and most likely be exposed to hpv. I have a daughter and when the time comes she will be vaccinated.
#7
i fully respect your comments chesso - but the research already done only covers up to 6yrs - so the girls would be just getting sexually active - it cannot claim to protect them after this time -
1 Like #8
First off, I dont have kids so I'm looking at this purely from an indepentent and objective point of view.

If the 12-13yo girl is physically healthy then why would there be a need for a "Vaccine" since any genetic programming has already taken place within the body.

As for the advice, I read the NHS link that stated there were hundered of different types/variants. What realistic effect would the vaccine have should the girl develop the condition. Is it a generic vaccine? in which case is there any concrete evidence to suggest that it would help with any given type of the condition should it develop?

What would weighting be between a healthy girl without vaccine against a healthy girl with the generic vaccine?

Ask the question to the GP/Doctor/Nurse/Whoever....if administered, will the vaccine guarantee that should HPV develop will it be put dormant as a result of the vaccine alone? I think you would get many qualitative answers and bombarded with statistics...but it will be a long winded ...No.

At the end of the day its your decision, I personally have a disliking to the way these things are conveyed to people.
#9
gari189
The NHS would not be shelling out money on a vaccine if it not did not save lives or money. If cervical cancer is not a serious issue, why bother with smear tests?

Sooner or later (hopefully later) your daughter will have sex and most likely be exposed to hpv. I have a daughter and when the time comes she will be vaccinated.


it costs £280 for 3 jab course -

still undecided - think i have too many facts and figures and not enough common sense :thinking:
#10
holly100
i fully respect your comments chesso - but the research already done only covers up to 6yrs - so the girls would be just getting sexually active - it cannot claim to protect them after this time -


That's true and thank you for your respect :thumbsup:
I just think that if that's all there is available and it is very effective than at least they will be protected at , what I suppose, is their most vulnerable time of becoming sexually active.
I suppose I am also influenced by the MMR debacle where one bloke's publishing of some extremely poor research caused, naturally enough considering the hoo-haa, huge numbers of parents to not vaccinate their little ones. He was wrong and many many have suffered as a consequence. This, I know, is not an exactly similar case but the media blow up some aspects of doubt out of all propertion.
I think that every vaccination programme has to be worked out as time goes on, but the protection is there now for at least six years - I would take advantage of it.
#11
My 12 year old daughter had it yesterday and was still there when I kissed her goodbye this morning.

In this world where people are suing each other and the establishment for saying boo then I am willing to trust the powers that be following a bit of home research.
#12
there still is not enough evidence to prove to me thats it is viable

dont know whether you remember the deprovera scandal of the 70s - mistakes were made there
#13
I live in the US and have a 14 year old daughter and have not yet taken her to get this vaccine yet; I agree with you holly100, there is not enough proof that it works, it involves 3 seperate shots, and only protects against 6 types of cervical cancer, and there are so many more types out there, and there are no garuntees that it works at all...........

A friend of mine took her 13 year old daughter to get this vaccine, 2 days after the first shot she was in the hospital for 4 days with 103 fever, violent vomiting, and completely listless. At first they thought it was an allergic reaction, but tests proved that theory was false. They still don't know why she reacted so violently. That for me decided the deal..........
#14
They have made many mistakes over the last several decades, and major ones at that.

Every now and again you hear about certain conditions being treated with drugs that were specifically designed to treat an entirely different condition. It came to light that during the lab tests and research they had used the wrong tissue samples. So for exmaple a Liver disease drug may well have been developed using tissue samples from the Kidney etc etc.

This came to light in the last few years and resulted in 100's of millions of pounds in research being totally useless as they no longer had any confidence in what they had researched. What got me was that a lot of it was caused becuase someone never tested, confirmed and documented the tissue samples to be used were one and the same. A simple step in the process that resulted in a lot of time, money and lives wasted and being put at risk. So just because somebody says that its works doesnt always mean that it will, even if they are a Scientist with a PHD.

Dont get me wrong, its not that I disapprove of these things, quite the opposite, I'd just rather there was a method that made it clearer to build confidence in them rather than some Drug Company PR Pitching it to a health official who in turn pitches it to health organisations who in turn swears by it to the public.

Like the OP said, there has been major mistakes made before and it took time for that to surface and the consequences were severe.
[helper] 1 Like #15
Holly100 - you are doing the right thing to question this and do further digging. If you base your decision on the facts as you see them, then at least you have made an informed choice rather than relying on hearsay or anecdotes.

At the end of the day the decision is yours and your dauthers.

Be careful of which website you get your information from. Remember any nutter with an axe to grind can create a website.......

Good luck :thumbsup:
#16
My mother was offered Thalidomide and luckily refused it. She refused to let me have the BCG at 14 years old and we had friends that suffered bad side effects from that. I guess my mum's ethos has carried on to me as I question everything now. I was happy to give my four babies Vitamin K at birth but only orally and I was happy to let them have the DIp, Hib Tetanus jab - but only once as I heard from several professional medical sources that the two follow up jabs were only boosters to the main first one. And no, mine will never have MMR, simply because it follows logic that just one live virus injected into the bloodstream rather than contracted naturally will be a terrible shock to a big body let alone a little body and of course three live viruses is out of the question. I have a friend whose first two children both suffered epilepsy and other similar things (can't remember what they're called) after having MMR and had no signs of anything before having the jab. I clearly remember having Measles and living through it! A Tweenies episode showed Jake with measles and surviving. Okay, some get complications and do die as a result but as has been stated, MMR is NO GUARANTEE of not contracting Measles, Mumps or Rubella. Also, why give girls a Mumps jab and boys a Rubella jab? One last point. Nearly all of us have had Chicken Pox. And we've all suffered the itching, the feeling down and we've come through it. Again, there have been some who experienced complications but generally speaking it's a childhood disease we've become familiar with and expect at some time. We even sometimes encourage our little ones to contract it while they're young as it can be more uncomfortable to deal with when you're older. What's happening now? The USA are bringing in (or have brought in) a four live virus jab - Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Chicken Pox! Would you give THAT to your child?! Go with your gut instinct with these things.
#17
cucumber - so glad your mum refused thalidomide -

many many thanks for all your comments they are really appreciated

my heart and head are equal on this
[helper]#18
cucumber - mmr is a completely different issue. I'd love to refute your points but it would be hijacking this thread....
#19
I am 23 years old, and I am seriously thinking about getting this course of injections, as women up to the age of 26 or 28 can get it.

Even if it only slightly decreses the risk of getting cervical cancer, that is fantastic.

Somebody said that it may increase the risk of misscarrige, well to be honest I have nothing to loose on that front. My mum had 13 misscariges before she had me, and had to have injections every fornight so that she could continue full term with her pregnancy. so I have resigned myself to the fact that Hawkio and I are going to have problems.

MMR is another issue, but I know if I have children, I will give them the mmr, as it saves lives.
#20
Kitten13
I am 23 years old, and I am seriously thinking about getting this course of injections, as women up to the age of 26 or 28 can get it.

Even if it only slightly decreses the risk of getting cervical cancer, that is fantastic.

Somebody said that it may increase the risk of misscarrige, well to be honest I have nothing to loose on that front. My mum had 13 misscariges before she had me, and had to have injections every fornight so that she could continue full term with her pregnancy. so I have resigned myself to the fact that Hawkio and I are going to have problems.

MMR is another issue, but I know if I have children, I will give them the mmr, as it saves lives.



i asked this question last night re women getting it and was informed that the reason they are targeting 12 yr olds is because they are not sexually active and as immunisation is specifically to create antibodies against the virus in your immune system - so anyone over 18 it would nt be worthwhile as the virus is most probably still there

they will go up to yr 11 over the next few years - which is pointless to me if they are catching yr 8s now -

so it is a whole generation of child bearing women who would have been the guinea pigs

we have pap tests (smear test) available for over 25s - if under you can ask doctor for one
#21
perhaps also listen to your daughter, its her life. Mine is 12 and she wanted to have it and my wife and I agreed.

As to the mistakes in the past, without this sort of research/action we would still have smallpox, polio and countless other diseases as well as also giving us contraception, effective pain relief etc.

Irational fears and scare mongering make me dispair. I am surprised those concerned actually allow their children to go to school, that is where they pick up most bugs and injuries and you cant be too careful !
#22
I had to switch doctors (a because I moved house) andb. because my doctor really hurt my attempting to do a papsmear. I know I need it doing, but I want a doctor who knows what they are doing.
#23
ianstanley
perhaps also listen to your daughter, its her life. Mine is 12 and she wanted to have it and my wife and I agreed.

As to the mistakes in the past, without this sort of research/action we would still have smallpox, polio and countless other diseases as well as also giving us contraception, effective pain relief etc.

Irational fears and scare mongering make me dispair. I am surprised those concerned actually allow their children to go to school, that is where they pick up most bugs and injuries and you cant be too careful !


she is 12!! she is very smart for her age but on a subject like this i wont leave it down to her -
if i wanted to put her forward for the research i would definately say NO

it protects 70% of those innoculated against 2 of the 100 known viruses - these are the figures i got from the expert last night
she also said it is more likely to occur in women who were sexually active from a young age which i know 100% my daughter wont be

(apologies to those sufferers who werent - just quoting third party)
#24
holly100, what happens, if in ten years time, alter you have refused to let her have the jab, god forbid, she gets cervical cancer?
#25
peodude
holly100, what happens, if in ten years time, alter you have refused to let her have the jab, god forbid, she gets cervical cancer?


rhetorical question

what if...................................................................................................
#26
Which is the whole reason for these jabs. For what if's, the same as every other immunisation jabs out there. You say you have concerns that is doesn't immunise against all the strains, but surely some is better than none?

What about all the illness's that have been all but eradicated through jabs, small pox, polio etc. If the parents back then had the same attitude then these illness's would still be around.
#27
Being as her daughter is ony 12, she has plenty of time to research this and allow the vaccine to become better perfected before making a fnal decision....
1 Like #28
holly100
i asked this question last night re women getting it and was informed that the reason they are targeting 12 yr olds is because they are not sexually active and as immunisation is specifically to create antibodies against the virus in your immune system - so anyone over 18 it would nt be worthwhile as the virus is most probably still there

they will go up to yr 11 over the next few years - which is pointless to me if they are catching yr 8s now -

so it is a whole generation of child bearing women who would have been the guinea pigs
they said mengeles was a monster:whistling: i am not scaremongering - just saying what i think

we have pap tests (smear test) available for over 25s - if under you can ask doctor for one


Was following your argument logically until you mention mengeles (sp) and then state you are not scare mongering!!?? Unfortunate choice of words and that is just about where you lost me I'm afraid.

Good luck with your choice for your daughter. Hopefully she has had some input into the decision when you have discussed it with her?

I certainly hope that she has no health problems associated with this in the future whether she has the jab or not. No guarantees in this world and all about assessing the risk and basing your decisions on that.
#29
ignore the mis-information given (the RC church is not immune to lying - condoms dont stop aids etc) and get the jab

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