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banned6y, 7m agoPosted 6 years, 7 months ago
Was thinking about becoming a teacher. The course at university is 4 years, was wondering if there are any good courses outside of uni though, as I don't qualify for the only university that seems to offer it, because im not gay (brighton). Aside from the very good holiday and not to bad salary, whats good and bad about being a teacher. Oh and still undecided whether to do primary/secondary but a primary school seems like the better option (5-11) at the minute. Any insight ?
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banned6y, 7m agoPosted 6 years, 7 months ago
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#1
I wanted to be a teacher to, but if you have a degree already cant you do a fastrach and takes about 18 months, Im speciaslist area is biology so secondary school would be best to teach it, decided against it as i cba with the chavs
#2
You will need to go to uni look at the TDA, however if your attitude is the same as it is in the op, rather homophobic it's probably wise you don't teach.
#3
shosie
I wanted to be a teacher to, but if you have a degree already cant you do a fastrach and takes about 18 months, Im speciaslist area is biology so secondary school would be best to teach it, decided against it as i cba with the chavs


Yep, my friend did her degree in Psychology at Reading Uni and now she's been accepted to do a teaching course at City university, I think it's two years but a lot of it practical and in school for the last year if I remember rightly.
#4
Maybe you could try being a teaching assistant for a little while (work often available as temporary as well as full time) and see if you enjoy it. It will also get you something to put on your CV for if you do decide to apply. It is very competitive, so you will need to have good grades and a good CV to get onto a course.
banned#5
shosie
I wanted to be a teacher to, but if you have a degree already cant you do a fastrach and takes about 18 months, Im speciaslist area is biology so secondary school would be best to teach it, decided against it as i cba with the chavs


+1, did work experience at a primary school a while back, was laid back, not too difficult and the kids are too young to back chat. Thanks for the advice - Repped

tinkerbell28
You will need to go to uni look at the TDA, however if your attitude is the same as it is in the op, rather homophobic it's probably wise you don't teach.


Lighten up, your way to PC, your other post earlier about the guy asking about 'small' people :roll:
banned#6
sickly sweet
Maybe you could try being a teaching assistant for a little while (work often available as temporary as well as full time) and see if you enjoy it. It will also get you something to put on your CV for if you do decide to apply. It is very competitive, so you will need to have good grades and a good CV to get onto a course.


I did work experience few years back as a teaching assistant, quite a laid back job, although the little kids can get irritating, and being nice all day was a task. Might see if they need anyone for the summer got about 12-13 weeks off.
#7
ryman1000
+1, did work experience at a primary school a while back, was laid back, not too difficult and the kids are too young to back chat. Thanks for the advice - Repped



Lighten up, your way to PC, your other post earlier about the guy asking about 'small' people :roll:


You can't go to Brighton as you're not gay, that's not naive curiosity, because you don't know any better, it's homphobic, moronic and childish.
#8
Teaching is not a job it's a vocation, you MUST really want to teach as you are dealing with the future lives of others...it's not to be taken lightly and it IS exhausting most of the time but oh so rewarding
banned#9
tinkerbell28
You can't go to Brighton as you're not gay, that's not naive curiosity, because you don't know any better, it's homphobic, moronic and childish.


I've been to brighton several times, so I know what it's like. One of my best mate's is gay (no homo), I've got nothing against them, it was a light hearted joke, that you have taken way too much offense to. I just don't want to move to brighton as I don't particularly like it.
#10
ryman1000
I've been to brighton several times, so I know what it's like. One of my best mate's is gay (no homo), I've got nothing against them, it was a light hearted joke, that you have taken way too much offense to. I just don't want to move to brighton as I don't particularly like it.


It's childish and proves you would make a good teacher tbh judging by the standards nowadays.

No need for the gay quip really was there, if it had of been about another city or town and instead of making a joke or discrimniating against ones sexuality, it had been race or religion this thread would have been spammed in 5 minutes flat.

Good to see homophobia is alive and well on HUKD as per usual, I have not taken offense, I just don't like double standards, or some kid asking for advice on a "respectable" job acting like the bigot joker, I am sure "they" will be pleased at your understanding:roll:
#11
It's childish and proves you would make a good teacher tbh judging by the standards nowadays.

And what do you know? God that annoys me... the standards of teaching are much higher than they used to be.... I think you have no idea what it is like to try to be a good teacher.... not as simple TBH, as you think. AND it is flippant comments like that, that make the job harder, ie parents who think they know it all.... grrrr
#12
jonb2412
It's childish and proves you would make a good teacher tbh judging by the standards nowadays.

And what do you know? God that annoys me... the standards of teaching are much higher than they used to be.... I think you have no idea what it is like to try to be a good teacher.... not as simple TBH, as you think. AND it is flippant comments like that, that make the job harder, ie parents who think they know it all.... grrrr


What? 3 of my closet family are teachers,I know how hard they work, I think they should be attracting the best candidates though:thumbsup:
#13
tinkerbell28
You will need to go to uni look at the TDA, however if your attitude is the same as it is in the op, rather homophobic it's probably wise you don't teach.


Wow are teacher's not allowed to crack jokes now? As long as they keep it professional in the classroom then there's no problem. There's plenty of racists/homosexuals/homophobes/alcoholics that are teachers in the UK, as long as it doesn't spill into their day job there's no problem.

Lighten up.
#14
tinkerbell28
What? 3 of my closet family are teachers,I know how hard they work, I think they should be attracting the best candidates though:thumbsup:


I agree... but from my many years of experience its not totally about knowledge and "qualifications"... personality plays a big big part... with the obvious qualifications etc too...
sorry about the previous response,, :oops:
banned#15
tinkerbell28
It's childish and proves you would make a good teacher tbh judging by the standards nowadays.

No need for the gay quip really was there, if it had of been about another city or town and instead of making a joke or discrimniating against ones sexuality, it had been race or religion this thread would have been spammed in 5 minutes flat.

Good to see homophobia is alive and well on HUKD as per usual, I have not taken offense, I just don't like double standards, or some kid asking for advice on a "respectable" job acting like the bigot joker, I am sure "they" will be pleased at your understanding:roll:


Could you explain how the joke was discrimination. It was a take on the stereotype that brighton is full of gay people. I know it isn't, because as mentioned i've been there. Like how you managed to ignore the bit where I mentioned I have nothing against gay people.
#16
psb07158
Wow are teacher's not allowed to crack jokes now? As long as they keep it professional in the classroom then there's no problem. There's plenty of racists/homosexuals/homophobes/alcoholics that are teachers in the UK, as long as it doesn't spill into their day job there's no problem.

Lighten up.


I would listen to you, but then I read your pathetic post in the other thread:thumbsup:

ryman1000
Could you explain how the joke was discrimination. It was a take on the stereotype that brighton is full of gay people. I know it isn't, because as mentioned i've been there.


It's ajoke about someones sexuality, you know you can't just crack jokes like that in the big wide world of work don't you as it's discrimination, as is race and religion HTH.

Anyway good luck Ryman, Reading is good, but don't come down here cracking homophobe jokes:p
banned#17
tinkerbell28
I would listen to you, but then I read your pathetic post in the other thread:thumbsup:



It's ajoke about someones sexuality, you know you can't just crack jokes like that in the big wide world of work don't you as it's discrimination, as is race and religion HTH.

Anyway good luck Ryman, Reading is good, but don't come down here cracking homophobe jokes:p


It's a joke about a stereotype :roll: If I said that I don't want to go brixton because i'm not a chav wouldn;t that be the same ? This isn't a work place and I understand that in a workplace any excuse to sue over discrimination is jumped at, perhaps not by little kids though.

We'll agree to disagree and thanks :thumbsup:
#18
ryman1000
It's a joke about a stereotype :roll: If I said that I don't want to go brixton because i'm not a chav wouldn;t that be the same ? This isn't a work place and I understand that in a workplace any excuse to sue over discrimination is jumped at, perhaps not by little kids though.

We'll agree to disagree and thanks :thumbsup:


No but if you said it's because you are not black it would be the same, it's discrimination:thumbsup:

Anyway good luck.
banned#19
tinkerbell28
No but if you said it's because you are not black it would be the same, it's discrimination:thumbsup:

Anyway good luck.


Seriously - I wouldn't. There's a college near me that is mainly black people. I would hate to go there because i'm white. Most people would think that, just wouldn't say it outloud. inb4 im racist
#20
ryman1000
Seriously - I wouldn't. There's a college near me that is mainly black people. I would hate to go there because i'm white. Most people would think that, just wouldn't say it outloud. inb4 im racist


Exactly!! Yet you will with regards to sexuality, that's my point:thumbsup: It's no different at all. That was the point I was trying to make all along, sexuality is fair game, race and religion aren't as people wouldn't dare say it out loud.

But now I have made my point seriously good luck with whatever:thumbsup:
banned#21
tinkerbell28
Exactly!! Yet you will with regards to sexuality, that's my point:thumbsup: It's no different at all. That was the point I was trying to make all along, sexuality is fair game, race and religion aren't as people wouldn't dare say it out loud.

But now I have made my point seriously good luck with whatever:thumbsup:


But I do say it outloud :lol: Racism and disliking something about a minority/life choice/race are two entirely different things, but the annoying PC world we live in ignores that
1 Like #22
I am a professional and i crack racism/homophobic jokes all the time mainly to my friends who are of that race or sexuality... Just the way you are. If the other person recieving the joke accepts it then all is well, Which in my case is.

In a working environment then no such joking like this should be made really.

Just my 2p's worth.

To the op, try a open uni course maybe?
1 Like #23
You could try for a GTP programme - training whi8lst you teach. There is a programme out called teach First which is very demaniding, but very fast track - again, training on the job, but I am unsure how these may or may not work in a Primary school.
The lack of males in the Primary sector would mean that its a good thing to go for, however some people find it strange for men to want to work with kids that little (what has our world come to!)

But as has been mentioned earlier - you've got to want to do it. The holidays seem good, but only if you use them effectively as you will have lots of planning and assessment to complete. I;m just finishing my Easter break and if things had gone to plan then i would have only had 3 days to myself, but as I was running round different hospitals I had neither a break or time to work. If you can be well disciplined then you can make the holidays work. As for the pay, its good, but you do earn it - all that unpaid overtime and the 13-14 hour days when you have parents evenings and productions/events :)
#24
If you think kids are irratating i dont think teaching is for you.
1 Like #25
In my view there are a couple of things wrong with you post re: homophobia Ryman100.

Firstly you dropped the reference into the post with no accompanying smiley etc to show it was meant as a joke, and therefore a pure reading of the post left it looking casually homophobic.

Secondly, on as I have come to think of it, Homophobic ukdeals this is the kind of comment in one form or another that is made seriously by many regulars and seems to be tolerated by many members and therefore difficult for the forums moderators to deal without reports (those who do not have homophobic views themselves).

It seems to me that jokes that deal with taboos like sexuality, race, sexism etc are taken one way or another in context. The context of your comment was a forum where homophobia is quite widespread, and therefore the ambiguity in you statement was bound to result in some hostility from those trying to change the culture on here to one where gay members will feel more welcome and comfortable.
I have a personal problem with the overuse of the (no homo) addition to any comment that it can possibly be attached to. People continually say this is just banter and reference their many gay friends who find it "acceptable" " funny" "hilarious" etc. I however feel on this forum it is yet another green light to closet and open homophobes.
1 Like #26
I got my degree in Biological Sciences, then went on to qualify as a teacher, in 1974 and retired the year before last, so a lot of years in the classroom!!

There are lots and lots of ways into teaching now:
http://www3.open.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/education/pgce/index.htm?KWCAMPAIGN=zed_Education&keywordid=ggluk_becoming_a_teacher
http://www.tda.gov.uk/recruit.aspx?ilewa=10000428

I would say that like any other job, it's what you make of it and how much effort you are prepared to put in to get as close to excellent as you can. All those years, I have worked with people who did an OK job but were really in it for the holidays. Many others, like me worked their socks off all the time so that each lesson was they best they could do. A happy medium is probably a more sensible option.

You need to be mentally very strong to have good discipline with many individuals in each class ( I guess that class sizes will be rising again in primary schools soon!) and the whole range of abilities and attributes, skills, disaffection etc whilst you are trying to teach them something quite boring! You need a good sense of humour and a good delivery!

You need to be prepared to be assessed a lot and to spend evenings and w/e's preparing and marking.

I enjoyed teaching in the class room and didn't enjoy it much out of the classroom - targets, training ( OMG!) gov initiatives, bandwagon jumpers. So much like a lot of jobs in that respect.

There's a whole lot of difference between helping out in the classrrom and being responsible for everything that goes on in it; if you do some volunteer work now - look carefully at exactly what the classroom teacher has had to prepare for each lesson, how it is delivered, what progress each child makes, how each child is being assessed ... I could go on ( H&S, every child matters ....) but you get the picture.:-D
1 Like #27
( I guess that class sizes will be rising again in primary schools soon!)

They never really went down... In the last 10 years I have not had a class under 33. Last 4 years have been....39, 39, 35 and this year 37.. only ks1 has the 30 cap... and that's only for maths and English :thumbsup:

I agree with the rest above... although still at least 15 more years to retirement !! :w00t:
#28
jonb2412
( I guess that class sizes will be rising again in primary schools soon!)

They never really went down... In the last 10 years I have not had a class under 33. Last 4 years have been....39, 39, 35 and this year 37.. only ks1 has the 30 cap... and that's only for maths and English :thumbsup:

I agree with the rest above... although still at least 15 more years to retirement !! :w00t:


Just shows how even I can be bamboozled by the hype and thinking that there was a statutory size! I must say that the Y10/11 options classes seemed pretty small (20 or less) to me in my last few years but science class sizes stayed large.

!5 years - oh well!:w00t:
banned 1 Like #29
Are you seriously questioning if you should go to Brighton? I lived about 10 miles from Brighton for 10 years and it's one of the best cities in the UK.

If you really don't like the gays, then you'll be OK. They have their own bars/clubs. They won't try to bum you if you stay away!

Also, good luck on the whole teaching thing. I am considering having a career change and doing it too.
banned#30
DJ1
Are you seriously questioning if you should go to Brighton? I lived about 10 miles from Brighton for 10 years and it's one of the best cities in the UK.

If you really don't like the gays, then you'll be OK. They have their own bars/clubs. They won't try to bum you if you stay away!

Also, good luck on the whole teaching thing. I am considering having a career change and doing it too.


I don't mind brighton, just prefer other places, probably need to have a better look around. The five or six times i've been i've rarely seen any gay people, and couldn't care less if they were there . Unless as i've mentioned a university was mainly gay/ethnic's then you would feel an outcast, but I doubt this is the case in most places.
1 Like #31
DJ1
Are you seriously questioning if you should go to Brighton? I lived about 10 miles from Brighton for 10 years and it's one of the best cities in the UK.


http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5154/gay.gif



:p
banned#32
J4GG4
I am a professional and i crack racism/homophobic jokes all the time mainly to my friends who are of that race or sexuality... Just the way you are. If the other person recieving the joke accepts it then all is well, Which in my case is.

In a working environment then no such joking like this should be made really.

Just my 2p's worth.

To the op, try a open uni course maybe?


My point. It wasn't a joke targetting them, I know people that make remarks to other races / life choices all the time, they aren't offended by it because it's a joke and they find it funny.


bassman_uk
You could try for a GTP programme - training whi8lst you teach. There is a programme out called teach First which is very demaniding, but very fast track - again, training on the job, but I am unsure how these may or may not work in a Primary school.
The lack of males in the Primary sector would mean that its a good thing to go for, however some people find it strange for men to want to work with kids that little (what has our world come to!)

But as has been mentioned earlier - you've got to want to do it. The holidays seem good, but only if you use them effectively as you will have lots of planning and assessment to complete. I;m just finishing my Easter break and if things had gone to plan then i would have only had 3 days to myself, but as I was running round different hospitals I had neither a break or time to work. If you can be well disciplined then you can make the holidays work. As for the pay, its good, but you do earn it - all that unpaid overtime and the 13-14 hour days when you have parents evenings and productions/events :)


I'll look into that, thanks. Only 3 days out of 14 seems very few. Is it a secondary school you work at ?

Plum
In my view there are a couple of things wrong with you post re: homophobia Ryman100.

Firstly you dropped the reference into the post with no accompanying smiley etc to show it was meant as a joke, and therefore a pure reading of the post left it looking casually homophobic.

Secondly, on as I have come to think of it, Homophobic ukdeals this is the kind of comment in one form or another that is made seriously by many regulars and seems to be tolerated by many members and therefore difficult for the forums moderators to deal without reports (those who do not have homophobic views themselves).

It seems to me that jokes that deal with taboos like sexuality, race, sexism etc are taken one way or another in context. The context of your comment was a forum where homophobia is quite widespread, and therefore the ambiguity in you statement was bound to result in some hostility from those trying to change the culture on here to one where gay members will feel more welcome and comfortable.
I have a personal problem with the overuse of the (no homo) addition to any comment that it can possibly be attached to. People continually say this is just banter and reference their many gay friends who find it "acceptable" " funny" "hilarious" etc. I however feel on this forum it is yet another green light to closet and open homophobes.


So a smiley means it is homophobic but minus a smiley means it is. I've stated that I intended no offense, and I can't see no homo being taken as an attack by a homosexual.


Jack-L92
If you think kids are irratating i dont think teaching is for you.


I don't mind them, just very tiring, but I didn't have total control over them not being a teacher and only being young. I intended to teach older years as they are more mature, and would prefer teaching something rather than very low level stuff.

chesso
I got my degree in Biological Sciences, then went on to qualify as a teacher, in 1974 and retired the year before last, so a lot of years in the classroom!!

There are lots and lots of ways into teaching now:
http://www3.open.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/education/pgce/index.htm?KWCAMPAIGN=zed_Education&keywordid=ggluk_becoming_a_teacher
http://www.tda.gov.uk/recruit.aspx?ilewa=10000428

I would say that like any other job, it's what you make of it and how much effort you are prepared to put in to get as close to excellent as you can. All those years, I have worked with people who did an OK job but were really in it for the holidays. Many others, like me worked their socks off all the time so that each lesson was they best they could do. A happy medium is probably a more sensible option.

You need to be mentally very strong to have good discipline with many individuals in each class ( I guess that class sizes will be rising again in primary schools soon!) and the whole range of abilities and attributes, skills, disaffection etc whilst you are trying to teach them something quite boring! You need a good sense of humour and a good delivery!

You need to be prepared to be assessed a lot and to spend evenings and w/e's preparing and marking.

I enjoyed teaching in the class room and didn't enjoy it much out of the classroom - targets, training ( OMG!) gov initiatives, bandwagon jumpers. So much like a lot of jobs in that respect.

There's a whole lot of difference between helping out in the classrrom and being responsible for everything that goes on in it; if you do some volunteer work now - look carefully at exactly what the classroom teacher has had to prepare for each lesson, how it is delivered, what progress each child makes, how each child is being assessed ... I could go on ( H&S, every child matters ....) but you get the picture.:-D


Thanks for the insight. At school you can see the effort that some teachers put in and the ones that don't. It makes a very big difference to the lesson effectiveness as you said. There are very usefull websites that give you a lesson plan for every lesson although you'll still need to look at it and fit it to suit your class. The evenings and long days are something I could cope with ( I hope) and the holiday's in the end make it for it. With the political pressure to reduce teacher's out of school hours hopefully something will be done so to control it a little more

jonb2412
( I guess that class sizes will be rising again in primary schools soon!)

They never really went down... In the last 10 years I have not had a class under 33. Last 4 years have been....39, 39, 35 and this year 37.. only ks1 has the 30 cap... and that's only for maths and English :thumbsup:

I agree with the rest above... although still at least 15 more years to retirement !! :w00t:


When I was at primary school, classes were always very large 35 mark, and stayed that way the whole time I was there. Secondary school had a lot less in the higher set's and a lot more in the lower sets. When you got to choose classes there was never more than 20+ as it was well distributed, although a couple of unpopular choices would have <6-7 people



Thanks for the help everyone
All of the above and other help repped
banned#33
numptyj
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5154/gay.gif



:p


:lol:
#34
I do work at a secondary school yes, and the problem I'm having is that the BTEC courses that we offer are changing, so I have to re-write the modules for them both before the timetable rollover in June.
Just remember to factor in the marking, etc too.

If you can remain focused and keep on top of your work (spend an hour or 2 after school has finished at work making sure stuff is done) then its easier and less to do in the holidays. Plus the more experience you get, the easier it becomes.

Paperwork is the bane of a teachers life though, and having just gone through an Ofsted inspection I am glad it is over and the paperwork this time seemed more immense than either of the previous 2 I've been through :)

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