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Anyone else been refused entry to the USA and interrogated for hours?

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my gf's brother went to miami to work for a week on a company's accounts last monday (30/08) as he is a senior accountant. customs said a page was missing from his passport so he was locked up for … Read More
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banned7y, 9m agoPosted 7 years, 9 months ago
my gf's brother went to miami to work for a week on a company's accounts last monday (30/08) as he is a senior accountant.

customs said a page was missing from his passport so he was locked up for 29 hours with only 1 bottle of water. Interrogated for 8 hours and accused of being in libyan training camps last year (he actually went to thailand twice!).

then shipped back in handcuffs without his passport so had to spend 5 hours trying to get back in the UK!

I kid you not!

Anything he can do about this? He's wants to put it behind him and thinks he has no recourse as all travellers to the USA are now made to sign a human rights waiver on the plane before they land.
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banned7y, 9m agoPosted 7 years, 9 months ago
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#1
lumoruk
human rights waiver ???? :lol: you taking the Michael?


+1. What waiver? Do you mean the visa waiver?
banned#2
lumoruk;6238102
human rights waiver ???? :lol: you taking the Michael?

I'm not sure exactly what they call it, but its some kind of agreement that you waive rights.

I'll give it a google as he was unclear on what he had to sign.

maybe someone else knows better on this doc.
banned#3
which bit is he objecting about?
banned#4
csiman
I'm not sure exactly what they call it, but its some kind of agreement that you waive rights.

I'll give it a google as he was unclear on what he had to sign.

maybe someone else knows better on this doc.


A senior account and he doesn't read what he signs? csiman I think you've had a BG1/JFK story pulled on you :whistling:
#5
I will tell you a story about going to america and them looking at your passport which has two stamps from the middle east.
#6
csiman
I'm not sure exactly what they call it, but its some kind of agreement that you waive rights.

I'll give it a google as he was unclear on what he had to sign.

maybe someone else knows better on this doc.


Uh-oh, I'm flying to america on saturday!!!
#7
electriclinux
I will tell you a story about going to america and them looking at your passport which has two stamps from the middle east.


I've got Arabic, Jordanian and Israeli stamps in mine... how do you think I get on? :whistling:
banned#8
seems it not quite waht was relayed to me.

[COLOR=#800000]Entering the United States under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) – What happens at the port of entry?[/COLOR] Detailed information about admissions and entry to the United States under the Visa Waiver Program can be found on the DHS Customs Border Protection website at [COLOR=#0000ff]Visa Waiver Program[/COLOR] and [COLOR=#0000ff]Admission to the United States[/COLOR]. Since September 30, 2004 VWP travelers have been enrolled in the [COLOR=#0000ff]DHS US-VISIT[/COLOR] program when they arrive at U.S. ports of entry. Travelers should be aware that by requesting admission under the Visa Waiver Program, they are generally waiving their right to review or appeal a CBP officer’s decision as to their application for admission at the port of entry. Likewise, if the traveler is later found to have violated the conditions of admission under the Visa Waiver Program, they do not have the right to contest a removal order (See [COLOR=#0000ff]CBP website[/COLOR] for additional details.)
Nevertheless, it doesnt excuse the shocking treatment he received.
#9
Oh my god! I'm going there is 3 weeks. You have to apply for a visa, which you used to do on the plane.

There is no way that they can MAKE you sign a human rights waiver. That would be against all UN regulations, and probably only goes on if you're deported to Guantanemo Bay, which is hardly likely for business class passengers on their way to Miami.

Saying that, you've got me worried! :)
#10
Visa waiver
:)
There's also an online thing that you have to complete before travel now. We did this in the UK a couple of weeks before flying and kept a note of the number - we were never asked for it, so whether it's recorded against your passport number already when you apply online, I don't know!

https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/esta.html?language=en
#11
I have a few Saudi Arabian stamps/work visa's on my passport which normally cause a few questions when travelling to new york,other US airports never pick them up however

They do ask you random questions thought,I have been asked if I have ever met a member of the Bin Laden family(which I have!)...do I support terrorism etc,the key is to be polite and remain calm,longest delay for me was only 30 mins though last year

Everybody needs to relax,these are just isolated cases,99% of the time you breeze through without issue
#12
boothy
I have a few Saudi Arabian stamps/work visa's on my passport which normally cause a few questions when travelling to new york,other US airports never pick them up however

They do ask you random questions thought,I have been asked if I have ever met a member of the Bin Laden family(which I have!)...do I support terrorism etc,the key is to be polite and remain calm,longest delay for me was only 30 mins though last year


I get 'are you sure you've never been arrested?' about every third question...
banned#13
sassie;6238124
which bit is he objecting about?

maybe the part about refusal because 1 page was missing in his passport (which he couldnt see) and then being banged up with a load of cuban / mexican illegals for 29 hours and then an 8 hour interrogation before having to board a return flight in handcuffs

lumoruk;6238126
A senior account and he doesn't read what he signs? csiman I think you've had a BG1/JFK story pulled on you :whistling:

my mate also told me who is the chief accountant of the firm

got better things to do than post lying BS like jfk/bg1

I just knew I would get this response hence my delay in posting for assistance!
#14
moral of story.

usa=thinks better than anyone whos not a usa citizen

hence dont go on holiday there
#15
milesy29
Oh my god! I'm going there is 3 weeks. You have to apply for a visa, which you used to do on the plane.

There is no way that they can MAKE you sign a human rights waiver. That would be against all UN regulations, and probably only goes on if you're deported to Guantanemo Bay, which is hardly likely for business class passengers on their way to Miami.

Saying that, you've got me worried! :)


The waiver is a waste of time, i filled mine in and just before landing we have to fill in the landing card which holds the same information!

Well i thought i had it bad, was questioned for about 3-4 hours solid, I was asked if i was terrorist or had any interaction with any terrorist organisations etc etc.

3 trips to america and 3 times ive been stopped. Never going to the states again! They dont believe in human rights and politeness.
#16
Flodd
I've got Arabic, Jordanian and Israeli stamps in mine... how do you think I get on? :whistling:


Great :thumbsup:. I remember them telling me I can't leave the airport yet (back when I was in school) so when everyone else took the bus up to the hotel they left me off at the hotel a bit later in a police car followed by a police car and I was told it is the rules to keep the handcuffs on until the person has been dropped off (got wendys for free though, wish we had a square burger over here). :w00t:
banned#17
csiman
maybe the part about refusal because 1 page was missing in his passport (which he couldnt see) and then being banged up with a load of cuban / mexican illegals for 29 hours and then an 8 hour interrogation before having to board a return flight in handcuffs


my mate also told me who is the chief accountant of the firm

got better things to do than post lying BS like jfk/bg1

I just knew I would get this response hence my delay in posting for assistance!


what would he have preferred, them to say oh one page is missing, if you would like to follow us to the nearest hotel where you can be pampered whilst we look into this - lol
banned#18
boothy;6238172
I have a few Saudi Arabian stamps/work visa's on my passport which normally cause a few questions when travelling to new york,other US airports never pick them up however

They do ask you random questions thought,I have been asked if I have ever met a member of the Bin Laden family(which I have!)...do I support terrorism etc,the key is to be polite and remain calm,longest delay for me was only 30 mins though last year

Everybody needs to relax,these are just isolated cases,99% of the time you breeze through without issue

I;m not trying to make an issue of it except some advice would be nice as to any avenue he can go down for recourse.

if you were one of the 1% treated in this way, I;m sure you'd be far from happy

Thats the USA off my lifetime "to do checklist" :-D

I've told him to approach the FCO.
#19
Flodd
I get 'are you sure you've never been arrested?' about every third question...


never had that one,been asked what company I worked for over 10 times in a ten minute period,and what is my favourite gun!!!

Always in New York never anywhere else.

In New Zealand once the customs guy was really bored and was thinking of going to work in the middle east and we ended up having a long conversation about it,totally different
banned#20
boothy;6238200
never had that one,been asked what company I worked for over 10 times in a ten minute period,and what is my favourite gun!!!

Always in New York never anywhere else.

In New Zealand once the customs guy was really bored and was thinking of going to work in the middle east and we ended up having a long conversation about it,totally different

This was in Miami BTW.
#21
Flodd
I get 'are you sure you've never been arrested?' about every third question...


I bet you've never been asked " Have you ever met Osama or any of his team?" :oops:
#22
sassie
which bit is he objecting about?


the cavity search
#23
csiman
I;m not trying to make an issue of it except some advice would be nice as to any avenue he can go down for recourse.

if you were one of the 1% treated in this way, I;m sure you'd be far from happy

Thats the USA off my lifetime "to do checklist" :-D

I've told him to approach the FCO.


I never thought you were trying to make an issue,there are a few people getting a bit over excited and I just wanted to put it into perspective.:thumbsup:

For less frequent travellers I agree it can be a little disconcerting.
#24
csiman
This was in Miami BTW.


I hate that airport its really chaotic with massive queues,never had a good journey through there
banned#25
csiman

got better things to do than post lying BS like jfk/bg1

I just knew I would get this response hence my delay in posting for assistance!


You miss understood me, your friend told YOU a jfk/bg1 lie. As in a bit of bravado he probably got asked why a page was missing and told that's naughty, on your way sir :p
#26
Abz
I bet you've never been asked " Have you ever met Osama or any of his team?" :oops:


I got married in Manhattan last year my 70+ year old mother was asked if she had any terrorist links *seriously* - She was part of the war effort... :whistling:
#27
tinkerbell28
A damaged passport is technically invalid, they were right to refuse entry.
Harsh as the yanks are a least the refuse entry to those with inadequate documents rather than letting any waif or stray in.


Agreed,if a page was missing,he has no comeback,his responsibility to make sure his travel documents are in order,anything like that draws immediate attention and suspicion.

His profession is also a high risk one(money laundering of terrorist funds/prolific drug smuggling issues in miami etc)


Can't really comment on the US response to him as we were not there and don't know what was said
#28
i wll be applying for 4 month work visa soon for next summer (J-1 visa maybe?) :lol: hope tht dsnt happen to me
#29
DId you know... That if you refuse to have your picture taken on departure from a UK airport, which you are legally allowed to do, you will still be allowed to baord the aircraft but you'll be the last passenger on and you'll be escorted across the tarmac by armed police...

Imagine how nervous the other passengers would be!
#30
Flodd
DId you know... That if you refuse to have your picture taken on departure from a UK airport, which you are legally allowed to do, you will still be allowed to baord the aircraft but you'll be the last passenger on and you'll be escorted across the tarmac by armed police...

Imagine how nervous the other passengers would be!


:lol: tht would be awesome :lol:
#31
Flodd
DId you know... That if you refuse to have your picture taken on departure from a UK airport, which you are legally allowed to do, you will still be allowed to baord the aircraft but you'll be the last passenger on and you'll be escorted across the tarmac by armed police...

Imagine how nervous the other passengers would be!


Since when do they take your pic when you depart the UK?
banned#32
Flodd
DId you know... That if you refuse to have your picture taken on departure from a UK airport, which you are legally allowed to do, you will still be allowed to baord the aircraft but you'll be the last passenger on and you'll be escorted across the tarmac by armed police...

Imagine how nervous the other passengers would be!


what do you mean have your picture taken? do they go up to randoms and ask to take yourt picture?
#33
micoo
i wll be applying for 4 month work visa soon for next summer (J-1 visa maybe?) :lol: hope tht dsnt happen to me


You don't look like the stereotypical terrorist, depends what stamps you have... There's not likely to be a great deal of terrorist chatter between edinburgh and dundee :thumbsup:
#34
sassie
what do you mean have your picture taken? do they go up to randoms and ask to take yourt picture?


As you go through passport control...
banned#35
Flodd
As you go through passport control...


never noticed, must smile next time
#36
Babbabooey
Since when do they take your pic when you depart the UK?


See below - passport control... it's a bit sneaky and the sign telling you they're taking it is the size of a stamp but... it's there.
#37
"I waive my rights to human rights", LMAO!

Seems fair, maybe even a bit lenient. :w00t: I would've stuck electrodes in his testies just for being an accountant.

Fairly typical of a country that fakes moon landings I suppose.
#38
Trickyjabs
"I waive my rights to human rights", LMAO!

Seems fair, maybe even a bit lenient. :w00t: I would've stuck electrodes in his testies just for being an accountant.

Fairly typical of a country that fakes moon landings I suppose.


Which landing was faked? All of them or just the first one?
#39
Flodd
DId you know... That if you refuse to have your picture taken on departure from a UK airport, which you are legally allowed to do, you will still be allowed to baord the aircraft but you'll be the last passenger on and you'll be escorted across the tarmac by armed police...

Imagine how nervous the other passengers would be!


I would never refuse but have been escorted to a plane once in abu dhabi.......got upgraded to first class and person in front asked to be moved so no crammed seats so it was a result:thumbsup:
#40
we get stopped every time and we went twice this year but still pulled my o/h in - he went to nahsville 6 years ago and flew back from memphis and apparently he never left, even though we keep going back and we have lived there since and had an employment visa, it was their mistake but will always be on the system, so make sure they take the little green things out of your passport when you leave

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