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Anyone else think we might see riots?

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The country, and London especially, feels like it's on a knife edge. There's so much division and anger already but this tragedy in West London feels like it could be a trigger. Our leaders are hiding… Read More
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1w, 2d agoPosted 1 week, 2 days ago
The country, and London especially, feels like it's on a knife edge. There's so much division and anger already but this tragedy in West London feels like it could be a trigger. Our leaders are hiding or being abused, there's a vacuum in a sense and it's going to long hot nights for a while.

I genuinely think that when the death toll is revealed people will become enraged in scenes reminiscent of 2011.
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1w, 2d agoPosted 1 week, 2 days ago
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stop scaremongering.
14 Likes
Lilly Allen! It gets even better.
What does Bob geldof say?
Or Lineker?

People seem determined to make this awful tragedy a political issue really quite early on without full facts.
When my neighbours cheapo extension subsides I'm going to blame trump.

Edited By: Qrunch on Jun 15, 2017 21:12: Jun 15, 2017 21:12
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I think it's time the corrupt were brought to justice and then maybe people would feel like they aren't ignored and marginalised.

The death toll for this tradegy is thought to be over 100. Lily Allen on channel 4 news said police have said to her it could be 150.

The council and government let these people down because they were seen as not important, poor, a nuisance, etc.

We need change but rioting isn't the answer.

Edited By: cat123 on Jun 15, 2017 21:09: Jun 15, 2017 21:09
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Qrunch
Lilly Allen! It gets even better. What does Bob geldof say?Or Lineker?People seem determined to make this awful tragedy a political issue really quite early on without full facts. When my neighbours cheapo extension subsides I'm going to blame trump.


But it pretty much is political.

The refurb was done to make it look nicer to the rest and no way was £10m spent on that.

Almost guaranteed it will be knocked down and the land sold to private investors to build luxury flats.

The people that live there raised their concerns something like this would happen numerous times but nothing was done about it.

They were willing to listen to the rich that didn't like looking at it but weren't concerned for the welfare of the poor that had to live there.

This will probably now be used to pull down similar blocks of social housing but won't be replaced with more, just luxury private accommodation.

It is most definitely about social class.
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That will solve everything, smash stuff up that you haven't paid for.
Burn more stuff.

Right on.

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40 Likes #1
stop scaremongering.
#2
I really hope not, there's been enough devastation already :(
7 Likes #3
That will solve everything, smash stuff up that you haven't paid for.
Burn more stuff.

Right on.
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I think it's time the corrupt were brought to justice and then maybe people would feel like they aren't ignored and marginalised.

The death toll for this tradegy is thought to be over 100. Lily Allen on channel 4 news said police have said to her it could be 150.

The council and government let these people down because they were seen as not important, poor, a nuisance, etc.

We need change but rioting isn't the answer.

Edited By: cat123 on Jun 15, 2017 21:09: Jun 15, 2017 21:09
14 Likes #5
Lilly Allen! It gets even better.
What does Bob geldof say?
Or Lineker?

People seem determined to make this awful tragedy a political issue really quite early on without full facts.
When my neighbours cheapo extension subsides I'm going to blame trump.

Edited By: Qrunch on Jun 15, 2017 21:12: Jun 15, 2017 21:12
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Lilly Allen? Must be true then.
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cat123
... Lily Allen on channel 4 news said police have said to her it could be 150...


Is Ms Allen presenting the news now, or is she a recognised spokesperson for the media that the Police contact to relay information as official announcements?

"Off-the-record numbers I have been given from Policemen & from Firemen"...

[ http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lily-allen-sensationally-claims-150-10630690 ]
2 Likes #8
The answer is for the Labour Party to have a leader truly representative of the views of the hardworking.

At the moment there's a total void, leaving the hardworking feeling they have no one authentic to represent them.
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What a stupid thread!
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bumbaclart
What a stupid thread!


If Saturn created a thread to say "Tomorrow is Friday", HaveIGotNewsForYou would create one with an opposing view just because... "reasons".
3 Likes #11
I would think the tragedies we have experienced recently are more likely to bring out the best in people. The Dunkirk spirit and all that. At least I hope so.
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psychobitchfromhell
I would think the tragedies we have experienced recently are more likely to bring out the best in people. The Dunkirk spirit and all that. At least I hope so.

We're seeing that at the moment with people from all backgrounds donating what they can in overwhelming numbers.

But you're also seeing people get more and more frustrated.

What I think stops this from being worse is that kids are still at school. I seem to recall the summer holidays being a factor in the Tottenham riots.
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coathanger
The answer is for the Labour Party to have a leader truly representative of the views of the hardworking.
At the moment there's a total void, leaving the hardworking feeling they have no one authentic to represent them.

It does make me wonder what is happening to this country when Corbyn is talking about requisitioning lawfully owned homes and redistributed to the victims of this tragedy.
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psychobitchfromhell
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psychobitchfromhell
I would think the tragedies we have experienced recently are more likely to bring out the best in people. The Dunkirk spirit and all that. At least I hope so.
We're seeing that at the moment with people from all backgrounds donating what they can in overwhelming numbers.
But you're also seeing people get more and more frustrated.
What I think stops this from being worse is that kids are still at school. I seem to recall the summer holidays being a factor in the Tottenham riots.
Riots don't normally just kick off, there is something that tips people over the edge. If something else awful happens then maybe so but at the moment I don't think the tragedies we have seen are a catalyst.

You're right but I wonder what the reaction to the death toll could be. Things seem to be on a knife edge.
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bumbaclart
What a stupid thread!

If Saturn created a thread to say "Tomorrow is Friday", HaveIGotNewsForYou would create one with an opposing view just because... "reasons".



this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism
1 Like #16
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
You're right but I wonder what the reaction to the death toll could be. Things seem to be on a knife edge.


How is the mood down in the Valleys?
8 Likes #17
Qrunch
Lilly Allen! It gets even better. What does Bob geldof say?Or Lineker?People seem determined to make this awful tragedy a political issue really quite early on without full facts. When my neighbours cheapo extension subsides I'm going to blame trump.


But it pretty much is political.

The refurb was done to make it look nicer to the rest and no way was £10m spent on that.

Almost guaranteed it will be knocked down and the land sold to private investors to build luxury flats.

The people that live there raised their concerns something like this would happen numerous times but nothing was done about it.

They were willing to listen to the rich that didn't like looking at it but weren't concerned for the welfare of the poor that had to live there.

This will probably now be used to pull down similar blocks of social housing but won't be replaced with more, just luxury private accommodation.

It is most definitely about social class.
1 Like #18
Just turn off your TV.
If something bad happens, you won't know about it.
So there's no need to worry.
4 Likes #19
I think there could be riots regarding Grenfell once the full death toll is known. There could be some political fallout over the suppressed safety report, even more so if it was suppressed solely to benefit Landlord MP's. Things just seem to be getting worse, multiple terrorist attacks, the lack of a strong and stable government and now this. I suspect the death Toll will near 100 but I hope I'm proven wrong. All this was down to the local council wanting to make older tower blocks less of an eyesore to the richer folks in their million pound houses and apartments. If there's not some level of public backlash I'll eat my hat.
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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
You're right but I wonder what the reaction to the death toll could be. Things seem to be on a knife edge.

Hopefully people will have more respect for the bereaved than to kick off. They don't need it shoving down their throats
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A13
How is the mood down in the Valleys?


Saw Welsh in the username and got overexcited?

Towelie
But it pretty much is political. The refurb was done to make it look nicer to the rest and no way was £10m spent on that. Almost guaranteed it will be knocked down and the land sold to private investors to build luxury flats. The people that live there raised their concerns something like this would happen numerous times but nothing was done about it. They were willing to listen to the rich that didn't like looking at it but weren't concerned for the welfare of the poor that had to live there. This will probably now be used to pull down similar blocks of social housing but won't be replaced with more, just luxury private accommodation. It is most definitely about social class.


I think it's a little crass to conflate the issues of poor management of properties with gentrification.

These buildings shouldn't become death traps under any circumstances. The issue of selling off land to private developers to build homes for more affluent customers should be a separate issue entirely.
4 Likes #22
Cladding with a Flammable plastic core fitted with a cavity behind it is only going to go one way the fire is just going to rip though it and the cavity will act exactly like a chimney. Heads should roll for this it's corporate manslaughter. It's horrifying to think other tower blocks are possibly fitted with this plastic core cladding.
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I wouldn't be surprised if something happened this Sunday at Al Quds day protest in London. Although the protest is more for Israelis and Anti Zionism Muslims have still jumped on it and made it part of their cause.

Things like this are the types of catalysts that start later problems.

I'm glad I live in a rural location up north.
4 Likes #24
If enough people stir up trouble by suggesting riots are imminent it could end up being a self fulfilling prophecy.
Then all the likely suspects will clamber back onto their soap boxes and start ranting on Misc again pointing fingers left, right and centre.
It's comical really.
2 Likes #25
A13
stop scaremongering.


Isn't that the exact same words "MAY" said to the Manchester police chief around a year ago after warning about police cuts
#26
Hey Brexiters, hate to say I told you so :D
2 Likes #27
This thread is the same as Saturn's "Is the UK about to face a very challenging Summer?"
2 Likes #28
The last few months on here have been very depressing.
3 Likes #29
personally we don't riot enough against government policies compared to other countries.
#30
splender
This thread is the same as Saturn's "Is the UK about to face a very challenging Summer?"


Except this thread seems to have generated more debate.
1 Like #31
larrylightweight
Cladding with a Flammable plastic core fitted with a cavity behind it is only going to go one way the fire is just going to rip though it and the cavity will act exactly like a chimney. Heads should roll for this it's corporate manslaughter. It's horrifying to think other tower blocks are possibly fitted with this plastic core cladding.

Plus it had a gas pipe running right up the side and its said the water was shut off so residents couldn't help themselves at all. In 2013 it was subject to many powersurges that damaged electronics, the management company poo pooed it as nothing to worry about.
#32
Channel 4 News lol lol lol
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larrylightweight
Isn't that the exact same words "MAY" said to the Manchester police chief around a year ago after warning about police cuts


http://i.huffpost.com/gen/907105/images/o-BRIAN-MAY-facebook.jpg
#34
RonChew
splender
This thread is the same as Saturn's "Is the UK about to face a very challenging Summer?"
Except this thread seems to have generated more debate.
Mod deleted most from that thread
1 Like #35
psychobitchfromhell
Mod deleted most from that thread

Not sure why. It was no further off topic than most threads on Misc.
1 Like #36
psychobitchfromhell
RonChew
splender
This thread is the same as Saturn's "Is the UK about to face a very challenging Summer?"
Except this thread seems to have generated more debate.
Mod deleted most from that thread


yeh it was just getting interesting too.
1 Like #37
RonChew
Not sure why. It was no further off topic than most threads on Misc.

Indeed . However ours is not to reason why. It didn't get political or religious which may be the issue. Most posts now have to end in a slanging match.
1 Like #38
I don't imagine people will find it proper to riot after a tragedy like this.
1 Like #39
CoeK
I don't imagine people will find it proper to riot after a tragedy like this.

Some people will just copy others regardless of their opinion.
Take those riots allegedly caused by the killing/execution of that scum bag by the police in north London for example.
You can bet most of the idiots who went round looting and rioting didn't do it as an act of solidarity for the murdered scum bag.
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you_gotta_be_kidding
I wouldn't be surprised if something happened this Sunday at Al Quds day protest in London. Although the protest is more for Israelis and Anti Zionism Muslims have still jumped on it and made it part of their cause.
Things like this are the types of catalysts that start later problems.
I'm glad I live in a rural location up north.
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