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Appealing for an £80 parking fine - help needed

morales Avatar
9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
Took a break from revision this afternoon, decided to go to the river with a friend.

So this is how things are laid out:

there is a supermarket, waitrose, 2 hour free parking, beyond the parking walls, between the park and waitrose, there is another carpark. On the right of that carpark, there is the council, and another car park.


What happened : i went down to the river, and i parked the closest to the park. There is a notice telling me i had to pay on the right, at the corner of the council building, but sort of facing the carpark i was in, there were also a few other reminders, but those were located at the entrance of the small carpark (only about..20-30 spaces?)



My explanation : i did not actually notice i had to pay to park, if i had known, i would ovbiously have gone to the waitrose carpark, it wasn't like i was trying to cheat the system. I also didn't have any change on me. I didn't intend to stay longer than 30 minutes, iended up staying just less than an hour.


come back, £80 fine! i couldn't believe it! reduced to £50 if i paid within 10 days. :-(



I went to the council, as its just a few meters away to talk to them, they said i had to write an appeal letter, so i asked if i could talk to someone anyway. I explaining my story, that person also said, you will have to write a letter.


I find it really annoying that i got issued such a high fine. I genuinly believed the parking was free, as there was the waitrose car park 20 meters away. The big sign saying Vale district council, i could have easily confused that (at the back of my mind) for simply a sign telling you where you were.

The other carpark for the council has a million notices and makes it obvious its charging, but not this car park.





Anyway, sorry for giving so many details, can anyone help me reduce the fine as much as i can given all the details i have posted?

£50 is not something i just have... i hope i can reduce this fine :-( its so unfair, parking is the thing i actually respect the most.


some of you might remember i had a fine last time for purchasing a parking ticket from the train station, but the car park was actually independant.... :-(
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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
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1 Like #1
Not habing much luck with your parking are you babes.
All I can suggest is you do what they have said, and write in. Send it recorded if needs be.

State your case and explain - good luck
1 Like #2
Costly mistake but I would pay up £50 rather than pay £80 later.
1 Like #3
gotta agree - its not worth hassle.... and dont think you have a chance.....

just get it paid...

sorry....
#4
iwant to try and explain that i will pay for my mistake, but i don't believe i should be penalised £50, even the usual £30 is a lot.

i find it so unfair that people park in dangerous places and get away with it, i park somewhere that didn't disturb anyone (hardly any cars there, now i know why), and i get fined so much for it!
#5
stora
Costly mistake but I would pay up £50 rather than pay £80 later.



Agreed;

None of us can say if you are right or wrong, we were not there.


Pay the £50, park in Waitrose next time..sorted.
1 Like #6
There is no harm in writing the letter, as the £80 payment wont apply. If you lose the appeal then you pay the £50 and they give you another time limt to pay it before the £80.

If you feel that you are in the right then keep persisting as that is what i did with one appeal, they wrote back saying I still had to pay it and i wrote back again still arguing my case and I won the appeal.
#7
I think you're stuffed basically and you'd better pay the £50 sooner rather than £80 later.

If you knew there was a free car park, why didn't you use it? In any event, that car park would only be free to Waitrose shoppers - which you weren't, were you?

One to write off to experience I think
#8
ok i get the message, but im going to try my luck anyway, could no one give me tips to be able to reduce it as much as i can? even to £30...


money really isn't something i have... so reducing it by something would be pretty nice...


that is why i didn't park in waitrose, i didn't want to shop there.. which is why i went to what i thought was a free car park.
and i wouldn't have taken my chances with £50 at stake, especially for spending less than 1 hour at the river.
i would have just tried to get some change, or gone to waitrose and buy a can of coke or something
#9
If you want to 'explain your mistake' it is more than likely going to cost you another £30.

Did something similar a couple of yours back. I was distracted with the kids when I was getting out of the car and forgot to buy a pay and display ticket.
Got back to the car and had a notice on the car to pay £40 if paying within 10 days or £60 after that. I wasn't happy but it was MY mistake and I paid up.

Thing is, it was only £1 for all day parking, talk about gutted :(
1 Like #10
there is a supermarket, waitrose, 2 hour free parking


You might actually fined in the small print that the waitrose car park is free for two hour IF you use the supermarket, so with your current luck you would have been fined for using that and just going down by the river;-)

I would go back (but don't park there!) and see if there are other cars parked where you were that have also not paid - if there are car parks all around and people constantly getting fined you MAY be able to argue that the signs are ambiguous and your mistake commonly made because of that. Of course that may fall on deaf ears and it will cost you £30 for the chance to explain yourself:?
#11
Indigo Unbrella
There is no harm in writing the letter, as the £80 payment wont apply. If you lose the appeal then you pay the £50 and they give you another time limt to pay it before the £80.

If you feel that you are in the right then keep persisting as that is what i did with one appeal, they wrote back saying I still had to pay it and i wrote back again still arguing my case and I won the appeal.



I think this is right but a letter would have to reach them before the 10 days are up. I would also send it recorded delivery.
#12
i can walk there, its not far.
1 Like #13
Unfortunately no matter how you put it or how sincere you may sound, the council are unlikely to see it as anything other than yet another person trying to wriggle out of a fine...

(That isn't meant as a sleight to you, but they're bound to have heard every excuse/reason in the book.)
#14
morales
i can walk there, its not far.



You will need to write a letter to them (It should say on the ticket how to appeal).

They will then read the letter and decide what to do.

As I said before send it recorded delivery, then you will have prove that it has been received in good time.
#15
yes STORA is right send it recorded as if you walk there to hand it in then you dont really have documented proof that they received your letter, and you will def. pay the £80, if they suddenly say they didnt receive your letter of appeal.

Like I said if you feel that you are in the right then appeal against it but if it was your mistake then you have to pay it and learn from experience. I dont think you can get a parking fine reduced. In their eyes it's already reduced from £80 to £50.
1 Like #16
As far as I know, you will either pay £50 (or £80) or wont pay anything. I dont think they will (or can) reduce the fine. File an appeal, stating the case clearly (supporting by photos if possible) and even if the outcome is not in your favour, you will get another 14 days to pay £50. Good luck :)
1 Like #17
I actually got a parking ticket when my car broke down and I had to leave it to go and phone for help - was away from the car for about 5-10 minutes.

I appealed the ticket but the way they see it is that the car was not parked correctly, so I got a ticket - end of, black and white.

They will not entertain any excuses, even genuine mistakes - I know this from experience and from what's happened to people I know.

I think if they were more lenient, they know that word would spread and lots of people would be appealing when they shouldn't.

I found it a lot of hassle to go through the appeals process. If they turn you down, you can then appeal to an independant adjudicator who will most likely agree with the original decision.

I was able to pay the reduced fee after the appeal was turned down, but I had to write all over again to appeal why I was paying the reduced fee so late.

I wouldn't bother trying to appeal personally - far too much hassle, but do still decide to appeal, then send any papers by recorded delivery to protect yourself
#18
its outrageous that things work that way. This is what turns honest people into dishonest ones. i can assure you i will do my best to get the £50 back from the system if i do in the end have to pay it. :x

The woman on the phone seemed to feel sorry for me, she said she would put a note stating i phoned, although i doubt that this would be of any help. My letter of appeal is awfull, but i have no time to make it better. help would be nice if anyone is talented at writing letters/correct english (i warn you, its an informal letter, with some attempts of formality made).


If i have to, i will also take photographs and appeal that way by saying actually, it wasn't clearly stated, which it wasn't.


just completed the letter now, god i feel so ashamed at its quality :oops:
#19
morales
its outrageous that things work that way. This is what turns honest people into dishonest ones. i can assure you i will do my best to get the £50 back from the system if i do in the end have to pay it. :x

The woman on the phone seemed to feel sorry for me, she said she would put a note stating i phoned, although i doubt that this would be of any help. My letter of appeal is awfull, but i have no time to make it better. help would be nice if anyone is talented at writing letters/correct english (i warn you, its an informal letter, with some attempts of formality made).


If i have to, i will also take photographs and appeal that way by saying actually, it wasn't clearly stated, which it wasn't.


just completed the letter now, god i feel so ashamed at its quality :oops:


You've got 10 days to get the letter right, if it isn't well presented and an argument clearly made they are not going to take your claim seriously.
#20
erics
You've got 10 days to get the letter right, if it isn't well presented and an argument clearly made they are not going to take your claim seriously.


I agree, a badly worded letter is often worse than no letter.:)
#21
7 actually
1 Like #22
morales
its outrageous that things work that way. This is what turns honest people into dishonest ones. i can assure you i will do my best to get the £50 back from the system if i do in the end have to pay it. :x

The woman on the phone seemed to feel sorry for me, she said she would put a note stating i phoned, although i doubt that this would be of any help. My letter of appeal is awfull, but i have no time to make it better. help would be nice if anyone is talented at writing letters/correct english (i warn you, its an informal letter, with some attempts of formality made).


If i have to, i will also take photographs and appeal that way by saying actually, it wasn't clearly stated, which it wasn't.


just completed the letter now, god i feel so ashamed at its quality :oops:


Out of curiousity, what revision were you taking a break from? I hope it wasn't English:whistling:
1 Like #23
Take the time to write the letter properly. Take photos too to back up your arguement if you are going to use the lack of signs or the fact that the signs are confusing in your defence. If you have the time to post comments on here you have the time to think about what you want to write and write it well. If you want an opinion I will look at it for you but Im not a professional letter writer. I have a secretarial background and have proof read various documents over the years but it would only be 'my opinion'. If you dont ask then you wont get anyway but you cant expect to get anywhere if you dont put the effort in
#24
i don't do english, and i used to do english as a second language.

heres a sort of overview of how things were
you can also guess, iwasn't revising for art or graphics designs.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w196/tom_rayner/overview.jpg


oh and i can spell building, just not with paint obviously
#25
looks like you cant spell 'park' either but that might be my eyes. mark up where signs were! Personally i'd draw it out a lot quicker than i'd have managed it in paint! Now get the letter written and sent!
#26
i was going to, but i cant remember where they were so i dont want to put any other than the ones i know of. theres one in the middle of the car park i think.

you are correct, i spelt it parl. :oops:


the blue is where i think the signs are, the blue lign is where the BIG sign was.

there probably wernt 4 signs in the middle of the car park, im just saying its one of those dots
#27
I appealed to few parking fines for my boss. English is my 2nd language and in all cases I sent EMAILS (not even letters)! Worked 80% of the time and when didn't work I had to pay the first fine (£40/£50 not £80/£100).
#28
Make sure the letter is no longer than one page, so you will have to be concise and to the point. A map and photos are a good idea but make sure you appendix them. I appealed against a fine once - and won due to inadequate signage. It's a bit of hassle but it might be worth it. But not if you devote hours to it...instead of revising!!
#29
we'll the letter has been re-written, i did hear from a friend that council people are grumpy and do not like to read long letters. Wish me luck! i will persue it with pictures and saying there was a lack of sign if they reject my appeal, i should be allowed another 10 days after they send their reply.
#30
Definitely write a letter & this site might give you some hints. There's tons of stuff about squashing parking fines if you search.
http://parkingattendant.blogspot.com/2005/01/getting-off-parking-ticket.html

My daughter got a speed camera fine recently for doing 90 in a 70 zone, but she doesn't know that I know so any pointers on that would be great. I would look up myself, but don't know how to clear the google search cache & I can't leave any footprints for her to see.
#31
To add to last post, today we received a speeding letter for doing 51mph in a 40mph zone. Thing is, the road is very familiar to us so it does seem rather strange that one of us managed to get a ticket (we haven't figured who was driving at the time yet LOL!)

This letter is not one of the ones with a fixed fine and points, it is an actual intention to prosecute.

It is from the Metropolitan Police, can anyone ofer any advice on what is likely to happen once we give driver's name? - The procedure, points/fine, etc?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
#32
morales
we'll the letter has been re-written, i did hear from a friend that council people are grumpy and do not like to read long letters. Wish me luck! i will persue it with pictures and saying there was a lack of sign if they reject my appeal, i should be allowed another 10 days after they send their reply.


Any letter of complaint to anyone should always be no longer than one page. On the basis that if you cannot make your point in one page, they are not going to read it and just send you a standard reply letter, like a lot of companies do. Anything more than one page starts to look complicated and then people lose interest, sad but true.

However that does not mean you use anything less than size 12 font to cram more in!!
#33
the letter is now no more than

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this big

possibly a bit more
#34
i usually just send e-mails and got out of 3 penalties but paid for one and this was with the islington council who have been told to cut down on fines?
#35
Aquatic
Take the time to write the letter properly. Take photos too to back up your arguement if you are going to use the lack of signs or the fact that the signs are confusing in your defence. If you have the time to post comments on here you have the time to think about what you want to write and write it well. If you want an opinion I will look at it for you but Im not a professional letter writer. I have a secretarial background and have proof read various documents over the years but it would only be 'my opinion'. If you dont ask then you wont get anyway but you cant expect to get anywhere if you dont put the effort in


No argument with that.. I'm not a professional either, but as you say, if you don't ask etc.

So 3 mistakes in one paragraph. Some Proof Reader . :roll:
#36
You missed "Wont" aswell Inactive, Some proof reader ;-) :p
#37
Iom-RF
You missed "Wont" aswell Inactive, Some proof reader ;-) :p



Indeed, and " can't " ..so that makes 5. ;-)
#38
Inactive
Indeed, and " can't " ..so that makes 5. ;-)


Oh and 6 as its missing a full stop at the end. :giggle:
#39
go on - take the p!ss. I didnt notice any of you lot offering. And yes i omitted the commas but I was at work and trying give some pointers whilst actually doing my job. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!

Tell you what - YOU help out instead of slagging of people trying to help! Next time I wont bother!
#40
Aquatic
go on - take the p!ss. I didnt notice any of you lot offering. And yes i omitted the commas but I was at work and trying give some pointers whilst actually doing my job. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!

Tell you what - YOU help out instead of slagging of people trying to help! Next time I wont bother!


Perhaps if you hadn't have boasted that you were a " Proof Reader ", maybe people wouldn't have pulled your post to bits.


You can hardly help others if you are clearly not qualified to do so, as your latest post demonstrates yet again.:roll:

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