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Are Man Utd fans worried about their club's imminent implosion?

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banned6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
The loss this year which Ronaldo's sale (and non-replacing) covered last year, the hilarious panic buys of Smalling and Bebe, the upcoming retirements of Giggs, Neville, Scholes and Van Der Sar not to mention Fergie's all point towards problems much worse than Liverpool's....

so are United fans worried about the possible end of Manchester United?
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#1
Green and Gold till they fold
banned#2
NOPE
#3
man u are to big to go , they had the black nights wanting to buy them for a billion 2 months ago,
liverpool are the ones who will be in adinastration next week with 9 points taken off them , the othere yanks are about to pull out ,am not a liverpool or man u fan but liverpool are about to be finished just like leeds did , any one agree???????
banned#4
Well firstly I disagree about Smalling and Bebe - time will tell with those, but Smalling has potential. I can't be bothered to defend the Bebe purchase too much :P

As for the rest of it, sadly I agree completely. It is a much bigger potential problem to Liverpools. No matter how much they deny it and spin it, there are now major major issues. Apparently we made an "operating profit" of £100Mil on a turnover of £270mil. Then once debts are services, we end up making an 80mil loss.

You could claim that the Glazers are just doing the minimum, and if there was a real problem they have the capacity to deal with it. However, according to everything I've read and seen, this is NOT the case - and many of their other businesses are in even worse shape.

The ONLY saving grace I can see, is that because United are current, they wouldn't have the problems Liverpool have had in finding a buyer when the time comes - and it will come. It may be that we have to drop 9 points, but I'd take that - even this season - to get the Glazers out.

So in answer to the OP: That would be a yes.
#5
Scholes and giggs will probably play for another season. Neville hasn't been in the team for ages anyway. Won't really be missed. I hope the Glazer's go soon though. There are problems but no where near as bad as liverpool

Edited By: Chidda on Oct 10, 2010 13:51: .
#6
Off the field Utd may have made a loss but the club is profitable and makes an income, the ownership is problematic in terms of the long term growth but they won't be facing any of the problems Liverpool currently are for quite some time

On the field the next few years are going to see Utd fall dramatically behind, the loss of Van Der Sar, Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand, G. Neville is going to really affect them, not only in playing terms but also the winning mentality that they help to maintain. Even squad players like Evra, O'Shea, Owen, Brown, Berbaflop all around the 30 mark. Then the big one - the loss of Fergie, who on earth is going to be able to come in and pick up where he left on whilst shouldering the pressure and comparison. The club will have to spend massively to tread water, theres an awful lot of average players when you scratch the surface

Edited By: roryk83 on Oct 10, 2010 13:55: correction
#7
roryk83
Off the field Utd may have made a loss but the club is profitable and makes an income, the ownership is problematic in terms of the long term growth but they won't be facing any of the problems Liverpool currently are for quite some timeOn the field the next few years are going to see Utd fall dramatically behind, the loss of Van Der Sar, Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand, G. Neville is going to really affect them. Even squad players like Evra, O'Shea, Owen, Brown, Berbaflop all around the 30 mark. Then the big one - the loss of Fergie, who on earth is going to be able to come in and pick up where he left on whilst shouldering the pressure and comparison.

Mourinho. btw why you calling him berbaflop now when he's hitting form
banned#8
Chidda
Scholes and giggs will probably play for another season. Neville hasn't been in the team for ages anyway. Won't really be missed. I hope the Glazer's go soon though. There are problems but no where near as bad as liverpool


Not as bad as Liverpool's right now, but the players clearly aren't being replaced. Obviously the money isn't there to buy the top players, and if it isn't there now then what will change in the future?
#9
Chidda
roryk83
Off the field Utd may have made a loss but the club is profitable and makes an income, the ownership is problematic in terms of the long term growth but they won't be facing any of the problems Liverpool currently are for quite some timeOn the field the next few years are going to see Utd fall dramatically behind, the loss of Van Der Sar, Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand, G. Neville is going to really affect them. Even squad players like Evra, O'Shea, Owen, Brown, Berbaflop all around the 30 mark. Then the big one - the loss of Fergie, who on earth is going to be able to come in and pick up where he left on whilst shouldering the pressure and comparison.


Mourinho. btw why you calling him berbaflop now when he's hitting form


haha, hitting form a few goals after what is it 3 seasons and £30 mil - he most definitely is berbaflop

Mourinhio eh? Obvious answer. Well he will need a huge transfer budget, I wonder if those cash hungry Glaziers will give it to him
#10
man u will survive ,liverpool are finished , no money and they have to pay the bank over 200 million next week ,other yanks have just pulled out , very sad end to what was once a big club , its between chelsea and man city now ,there the big 2 , there s no big 4 no more
#11
yozzman1234
man u will survive ,liverpool are finished , no money and they have to pay the bank over 200 million next week ,other yanks have just pulled out , very sad end to what was once a big club , its between chelsea and man city now ,there the big 2 , there s no big 4 no more


Im getting the feeling you know nothing about football
#12
roryk83
yozzman1234
man u will survive ,liverpool are finished , no money and they have to pay the bank over 200 million next week ,other yanks have just pulled out , very sad end to what was once a big club , its between chelsea and man city now ,there the big 2 , there s no big 4 no more


Im getting the feeling you know nothing about football

i have nt hurt your feelings have i , u must be liverpool or man u fan
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yozzman1234
roryk83
yozzman1234
man u will survive ,liverpool are finished , no money and they have to pay the bank over 200 million next week ,other yanks have just pulled out , very sad end to what was once a big club , its between chelsea and man city now ,there the big 2 , there s no big 4 no more


Im getting the feeling you know nothing about football

i have nt hurt your feelings have i , u must be liverpool or man u fan


yeah Im a Liverpool fan, everyone on here knows that. You havnt hurt my feelings but you clearly dont know what your talking about. How are Liverpool 'finished'? We will be bought at some point in the next 12 months. The club will continue. Utd went 25 years without winning much, Chelsea much longer an city longer still, just because they have a bit of money now does not guarantee that in ten years time they will be powerhouses of football. In fact both Chelsea and City are seriously going to struggle to meet the new financial rules fifa implemented meaning that by 2013 they wont be able to enter European football, now thats going to be a big blow to the "big 2" innit
#14
roryk83
yozzman1234
roryk83
yozzman1234
man u will survive ,liverpool are finished , no money and they have to pay the bank over 200 million next week ,other yanks have just pulled out , very sad end to what was once a big club , its between chelsea and man city now ,there the big 2 , there s no big 4 no more


Im getting the feeling you know nothing about football

i have nt hurt your feelings have i , u must be liverpool or man u fan


yeah Im a Liverpool fan, everyone on here knows that. You havnt hurt my feelings but you clearly dont know what your talking about. How are Liverpool 'finished'? We will be bought at some point in the next 12 months. The club will continue. Utd went 25 years without winning much, Chelsea much longer an city longer still, just because they have a bit of money now does not guarantee that in ten years time they will be powerhouses of football. In fact both Chelsea and City are seriously going to struggle to meet the new financial rules fifa implemented meaning that by 2013 they wont be able to enter European football, now thats going to be a big blow to the "big 2" innit

listen if your not bought out by friday you are going into adimastration , that means 9 points deducted , that will put you -3 points you will get relagated ,then no one will want to buy you , if you look at it as a buyer your ground is run down in a very poor part of the city most of the houses round there are boarded up , a very poor squad bar 2 or 3 players ,massive debts , 300 to 400 million to build a new ground .it s a really bad investment for anyone ,you need a billionair who doesnt mind losing money to buy you , open your eyes , your probaly one of them liverpool fans that say your going to win the prem at the start of every season
#15

listen if your not bought out by friday you are going into adimastration , that means 9 points deducted , that will put you -3 points you will get relagated ,then no one will want to buy you , if you look at it as a buyer your ground is run down in a very poor part of the city most of the houses round there are boarded up , a very poor squad bar 2 or 3 players ,massive debts , 300 to 400 million to build a new ground .it s a really bad investment for anyone ,you need a billionair who doesnt mind losing money to buy you , open your eyes , your probaly one of them liverpool fans that say your going to win the prem at the start of every season


haha, for real? Might so and slit my wrists now then
#16
roryk83

listen if your not bought out by friday you are going into adimastration , that means 9 points deducted , that will put you -3 points you will get relagated ,then no one will want to buy you , if you look at it as a buyer your ground is run down in a very poor part of the city most of the houses round there are boarded up , a very poor squad bar 2 or 3 players ,massive debts , 300 to 400 million to build a new ground .it s a really bad investment for anyone ,you need a billionair who doesnt mind losing money to buy you , open your eyes , your probaly one of them liverpool fans that say your going to win the prem at the start of every season


haha, for real? Might so and slit my wrists now then

dont you slit your wrists get one of your fans to do it !!!!!!!!! where you from wales , irland, norway or london,
#17
Yozzman who do you support and were are you from please? As you seem to have a real obsession with hating Liverpool
banned#18
yozzman1234
where you from wales , irland, norway or london,


Oh the irony of a Man Utd fan taunting any fan from any club about not being Local.
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mark halsall
Yozzman who do you support and were are you from please? As you seem to have a real obsession with hating Liverpool

i dont hate liverpool, i like alot of the liverpool players , i just think most of the fans are deluded , the clubs is in a bad place and most of them still think they can win the prem am from liverpool but been living in spain most of my life , am back in liverpool now i support barca , i moved from liverpool when i was 3 started watching barca when i was 5 till now 25 years
#20
yozzman1234
roryk83

listen if your not bought out by friday you are going into adimastration , that means 9 points deducted , that will put you -3 points you will get relagated ,then no one will want to buy you , if you look at it as a buyer your ground is run down in a very poor part of the city most of the houses round there are boarded up , a very poor squad bar 2 or 3 players ,massive debts , 300 to 400 million to build a new ground .it s a really bad investment for anyone ,you need a billionair who doesnt mind losing money to buy you , open your eyes , your probaly one of them liverpool fans that say your going to win the prem at the start of every season


haha, for real? Might so and slit my wrists now then

dont you slit your wrists get one of your fans to do it !!!!!!!!! where you from wales , irland, norway or london,


Liverpool actually season ticket holder
#21
I'm a little concerned but not overly concerned, May be United's future isn't looking too great regarding buying big named players but we do have young capable players and a good youth policy, Our reserves won the league last season along with other trophies, We will find buyers easily though if we do crumble. May be we will struggle for a few season's when Fergie retires but we'll bounce back. For the last couple of decades no one can match United's achievements.

As for Liverpool, I don't want to see them relegated, I love the rivalry...!!! However because their Liverpool they'll wiggle out of a 9 point deduction somehow.
#22
United fans are just as worried as Liverpool ones. It goes far beyond the playing side of things. Liverpool are in a very bad way, we all know that. But United fans who have their heads screwed on and know about the financial side of things realise that United will be in our position in about 3 years time. Our debt is £237m with another £40m in penalty fees on top of that. United's are currently around the £800m mark and with a loss of £80m in the last year, imagine what that will be in 3 years. What we are seeing today with Liverpool is a vision of what is to come to United in the future. That's why there are campaigns to get the Glazers out of the club as soon as possible, because failure to do so will be as catastrophic to Man Utd as it is now for Liverpool.

Football wise, I have the same passion about Liverpool as a Man Utd fan does about their team and revel when the opposition lose, but collectively I think we're all in agreement that for the futures of the clubs to be secured something needs to be done now.

A Utd fan earlier mentioned that they would take the 9 point deduction just to get shut of the Glazers. Liverpool fans are in total agreement that we would take the same deduction to get Hicks and Gillett out of the club. True, Liverpool's start to the season has been disastrous and to contemplate taking the 9 point deduction seems ludicrous, but these are desperate times and we'll do anything to rid the club of H&G.
#23
Scouser78
United fans are just as worried as Liverpool ones.


lol whut?
#24
thesaint
Scouser78
United fans are just as worried as Liverpool ones.


lol whut?


So you're not? If not, why? Be interesting to know because there's thousands of you demonstrating against the owners but if you know something different I reckon they'd like you to share it with them.
#25
I don't have as much hate to the Glazers as Liverpool fan's seem to have with Hicks and Gillette.

The Glazers generally keep their noses out of the footballing side of thing's and let Fergie get on with it.

H & G, Abromovich and Chelsea practically choose the team's line-up's, I'd hate to be a Liverpool or Chelsea manager with the owners constantly on your back.

When they're doing well all is good, When they're bad their sacked. Benitez is gone because H & G's constant interference, He probably lost his love for Liverpool and the result's followed.
[mod]#26
No.
banned#27
shauneco
I don't have as much hate to the Glazers as Liverpool fan's seem to have with Hicks and Gillette.

The Glazers generally keep their noses out of the footballing side of thing's and let Fergie get on with it.

H & G, Abromovich and Chelsea practically choose the team's line-up's, I'd hate to be a Liverpool or Chelsea manager with the owners constantly on your back.

When they're doing well all is good, When they're bad their sacked. Benitez is gone because H & G's constant interference, He probably lost his love for Liverpool and the result's followed.


And Fergie chose to sell Ronaldo and chose not to replace him and chooses to stick with Giggs and Scholes rather than replacing them?

United are going to be in trouble when Fergie leaves and the older lads retire. I'd add Ferdinand to that list too because of his injuries and commitments outside of football.
banned#28
FilthAndFurry
shauneco
I don't have as much hate to the Glazers as Liverpool fan's seem to have with Hicks and Gillette.

The Glazers generally keep their noses out of the footballing side of thing's and let Fergie get on with it.

H & G, Abromovich and Chelsea practically choose the team's line-up's, I'd hate to be a Liverpool or Chelsea manager with the owners constantly on your back.

When they're doing well all is good, When they're bad their sacked. Benitez is gone because H & G's constant interference, He probably lost his love for Liverpool and the result's followed.


And Fergie chose to sell Ronaldo and chose not to replace him and chooses to stick with Giggs and Scholes rather than replacing them?

United are going to be in trouble when Fergie leaves and the older lads retire. I'd add Ferdinand to that list too because of his injuries and commitments outside of football.


I don't doubt that it wasn't just down to Fergie regarding the sale of Ronaldo, and the replacement with another big name. However, while not in the same mould, Valencia until his injury had already become an excellent United player.

However, thats open to interpretation, so I accept your view is different. However, your comment about Giggs and Scholes makes absolutely no sense. Why would he have replaced them? They'd get into any premier league team?
#29
I think Liverpool's hatred of H & G compared to the Glazers is mainly due to false promises (big signings promised in the summer and a new stadium for example) and asset stripping. Liverpool have made a profit in the last 3 transfer windows when there should have been money pumped into the squad after finishing second to United a couple of seasons back.

A lot of Utd fans not so hatred towards the Glazers has a lot to do with Fergie. He has built a squad there that you don't particularly need to invest due to having strength in depth. Utd sold Ronaldo but had the personnel to not feel it as much, plus signing Valencia for a fraction of the money they brought in. Also Ferguson keeps it all in house, which he has mastered over the years. I suspect he is as frustrated as anyone that he can't go out and make £30m-£40m signings, but he keeps that anger behind doors away from the press.

Give it a couple of years when Utd have no funds to improve the playing squad and the likes of Giggs, Scholes, Berbatov, Ferdinand, Vidic, Brown, O'Shea and Van Der Sar need replacing. I concede there are some great youngsters at Utd but they still need complimenting with foreign, expensive talent to compete domestically and in Europe.

Anyway, it's just as I see it. I think there are a lot of switched on supporters of both Liverpool and Utd who can see further than the end of their nose when it comes to the futures of the clubs, but in the same breath there are a lot of Sky generation fans who live in the now and as long as the clubs are winning games (not so often in our case at the minute!) then everything is rosy.
#30
liverpool v everton next weekend whats the score????
banned#31
vibeone
FilthAndFurry
shauneco
I don't have as much hate to the Glazers as Liverpool fan's seem to have with Hicks and Gillette.

The Glazers generally keep their noses out of the footballing side of thing's and let Fergie get on with it.

H & G, Abromovich and Chelsea practically choose the team's line-up's, I'd hate to be a Liverpool or Chelsea manager with the owners constantly on your back.

When they're doing well all is good, When they're bad their sacked. Benitez is gone because H & G's constant interference, He probably lost his love for Liverpool and the result's followed.


And Fergie chose to sell Ronaldo and chose not to replace him and chooses to stick with Giggs and Scholes rather than replacing them?

United are going to be in trouble when Fergie leaves and the older lads retire. I'd add Ferdinand to that list too because of his injuries and commitments outside of football.


I don't doubt that it wasn't just down to Fergie regarding the sale of Ronaldo, and the replacement with another big name. However, while not in the same mould, Valencia until his injury had already become an excellent United player.

However, thats open to interpretation, so I accept your view is different. However, your comment about Giggs and Scholes makes absolutely no sense. Why would he have replaced them? They'd get into any premier league team?


Giggs and Scholes are decent, but who's their replacements? The likes of Nani, Valencia, Gibson, Anderson, Carrick, the Da Silvas etc. just aren't good enough and the money isn't there to buy the likes of Ozil. It's not surprising when you look at the losses they made (because they didn't have another Ronaldo to sell).

The financial situation, the older players retiring, the manager looking to retire, the growth of other teams like Man City and Spurs.....

it's a ticking time bomb.
#32
FilthAndFurry
shauneco
I don't have as much hate to the Glazers as Liverpool fan's seem to have with Hicks and Gillette.

The Glazers generally keep their noses out of the footballing side of thing's and let Fergie get on with it.

H & G, Abromovich and Chelsea practically choose the team's line-up's, I'd hate to be a Liverpool or Chelsea manager with the owners constantly on your back.

When they're doing well all is good, When they're bad their sacked. Benitez is gone because H & G's constant interference, He probably lost his love for Liverpool and the result's followed.


And Fergie chose to sell Ronaldo and chose not to replace him and chooses to stick with Giggs and Scholes rather than replacing them?

United are going to be in trouble when Fergie leaves and the older lads retire. I'd add Ferdinand to that list too because of his injuries and commitments outside of football.


How do you replace Ronaldo? Well Valencia was good start, No he's no Ronaldo but very good potential, Ronaldo's irreplaceable he wanted to go, United did very well considering the record fee we got for him.

As for the irreplaceables the argument always will continue, Nani, Bebe, Obertan, Hargreves, Cleverly, Gibson, Anderson etc have potential. I do believe Scholes replacement will be hardest, Don't think theirs any young talent anywhere in the world as complete as him in his position. But I do believe we have players who will step up and fill the void.

What about in 50 years when all United players are dead? Well players will come and go, Progress and we'll see talent, flops and hopefully a few dozen more trophies.

It's the same at all clubs, Chelsea with out John Terry and Frank Lampard what will they do? Liverpool with no Gerrard or Carragher? etc...
banned#33
shauneco

It's the same at all clubs, Chelsea with out John Terry and Frank Lampard what will they do? Liverpool with no Gerrard or Carragher? etc...


Jeffrey Bruma is probably JT's long-term replacement and Josh McEachran is being lined up as Lampard's. The players you're talking about are younger than the United old guard and already their successors are being blooded.

The problem for United is where more money comes from and how many more losses the Glazers can take.
#34
FilthAndFurry
shauneco

It's the same at all clubs, Chelsea with out John Terry and Frank Lampard what will they do? Liverpool with no Gerrard or Carragher? etc...


Jeffrey Bruma is probably JT's long-term replacement and Josh McEachran is being lined up as Lampard's. The players you're talking about are younger than the United old guard and already their successors are being blooded.

The problem for United is where more money comes from and how many more losses the Glazers can take.


Never heard of them, As for money we've got £165 million to spend, I'm sure we'll find way's. Plus Glazers are business men, It's in their interest that United succeed on the pitch, If they can't afford it they'll sell.
banned#35
shauneco
FilthAndFurry
shauneco

It's the same at all clubs, Chelsea with out John Terry and Frank Lampard what will they do? Liverpool with no Gerrard or Carragher? etc...


Jeffrey Bruma is probably JT's long-term replacement and Josh McEachran is being lined up as Lampard's. The players you're talking about are younger than the United old guard and already their successors are being blooded.

The problem for United is where more money comes from and how many more losses the Glazers can take.


Never heard of them, As for money we've got £165 million to spend, I'm sure we'll find way's. Plus Glazers are business men, It's in their interest that United succeed on the pitch, If they can't afford it they'll sell.


I'm not surprised you haven't heard of them. People in football have.

I also doubt this '£165 million' figure, and I believe Hicks, Gillette, Ridsdale etc. are also businessmen. Doesn't mean they're perfect.
#36
In a perfect world Utd would spend this £165m you speak of, but the truth is any money made is paid to the banks to offset the interest on the debt placed on the club by the Glazers. The Glazers and H & G haven't spent a penny on purchasing the clubs, they've borrowed the money from banks and then placed the debt onto the club, using the clubs to pay back their debts.

That's what the Green & Gold campaign is all about. It's not just about wearing scarfs at the ground, it's about making people aware of the fact fans are against the way the club is being run. The Glazers will not sell soon as they're taking money out of the club to pay off their debts, meaning that one day when they do sell sell (and they will sell when there's enough profit in it), every single penny the club is sold for will go into their pockets, and it's the club that has paid all the debt. The Glazers will have put nothing in, and taken everything out.

If Utd sold now for £1b the Glazers would only get £200m profit, however if they keep the club for a further 10 years and get the debt down to £500m and still sold for £1b, they'd get £500m profit. The debt reduction would be paid by Utd, not the Glazers so it's in their best selfish interest to keep a hold of the club for some years to make more money out of the club.

I'm using Utd as an example, but it's the exact same scenario at Anfield and look what's happening there. Utd will be treated with the same disdain by the Glazers as Liverpool are by Hicks & Gillett. A sign of things to come.

Edited By: Scouser78 on Oct 10, 2010 19:17: added extra
#37
Can't quote (using phone) but as a neutral (Blackpool fan) I agree with almost everything Rory is saying.
#38
25/1 at start of season for L/pool to go down could be £3 well spent!
#39
I would be worried if a fan of either liverpool or man utd.

Heavy debts at both, Liverpool need a bigger ground to service current debt but must get further debt to achieve this

Man utd's debt is massive and 100 mil profit into 80 mil loss is mind boggling also attendances slowly starting to dwindle and lets be honest they got either got very lucky or great design when they have 6 or 7 young players come through in the mid 90's they are not in that position now so will need to spend this mysterious 165 million they have and with the imminent departure of Fergie, VDS, neville, Giggs, Scholes could cost most of that to replace them properly

whereas Chelsea and City have a bottomless pit and no doubt both will be sniffing round anfield should administration come into play.

Full applause to Arsenal a club run properly on all fronts

Edited By: Marty1981 on Oct 10, 2010 19:33: ad
#40
United are just going through a transition period. The same happened around 2004 when players such as fletcher, ronaldo, ferdinand and rooney were still developing. Then the arrivals of evra, vidic, carrick hargreaves etc helped form the most devestating United team that I have ever seen.

Financially the future does not look fantastic, but with the players like smalling, gibson, evans, chicharito, macheda, obertan and cleverly i can see the current crop of youngsters forming a great team over the next few years.

With a few additions United will be back at the top


Edited By: CFC_Mark on Oct 10, 2010 19:40: .

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